Talk:Agile Methods

I think it is erroneous to say that CMM and ISO-9000 is methods. They are ways of assuring a certain organisational level (CMM) or a certain level of documentation (ISO-9000). Thus they are not competing with Agile Methods at all. RUP are and a number of other "high ceremony" methods are. user:froderik


 * This page should probably be renamed to Agile Method, just to avoid the plural in the name. Wesley 21:38 Dec 6, 2002 (UTC)


 * Done. --mav

''* Rational Unified Process? The RUP is a classic bureaucratic process, but it can be used in an agile way.''
 * How can one accomplish this? -- Hirzel
 * the same way one can sanely apply the CMM - by coming up with abbreviated versions of the reports and meetings. No step is ommitted but the heavy duty stuff is saved for final QM, while early meetings can breeze past steps that don't much matter, at one step per minute, with only the briefest of reports in the meeting log.
 * This is like saying that Black equals White for darker shades of White. When RUP, CMM, and ISO9000 claim to be Agile, they are trying to climb onto the next bandwagon after their own has broken down and been left behind.

The term Agile Methods is widely used now outside software circles, at least in meetings if not on the web. Is this wrong, according to the originators of Agile Methods terminology?