Talk:Agile management

The french version of this article is well written and very complete, it should be done in english also and not only link to the Agile Software development page. Having a more mangement view on Agile management is important, please help ! Slavoie (talk) 02:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I disagree with the number of citation requests, they would cause the article to borderline on plagiarism. Some are just unwarranted, such as "hence large software projects are still being conducted in Waterfall." Given its scope (number of in-process projects across the globe) and the fact that the claim does not use absolutes or statistics not evident, it is completely reasonable to assume that it is true. The wording could be changed to "... may still be conducted..." which might satisfy the citation request, but weak verbiage like that makes the this a less valuable resource. User:dgerton 08:19, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

This redirect is not correct. Agile is not exclusive to software development, as suggested by the redirect. This page used to have information pertinent to anyone researching Agile project management, not just those who are using it in software development. The redirect has cause this knowledge to be lost. 2600:1003:B024:78E8:A8BA:316:E3F0:92D3 (talk) 13:17, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Agile is not Project management methodology
I read the entire Scrum Guide from cover to cover again and there is no opinion anywhere in it that Agile or Scrum are project management methodologies. However, there are many sentences and phrases proving that Scrum is a framework vision of process management, whether it's software development or anything else. The document uses the word Product many times in the sense of Software or something other than software. acc. the authors have completely forgotten that the effect of the production process may be not only a physical Product or a virtual product in the form of Software, but also a Service and e-Service, because manufacturing companies produce Products, and service companies "produce" Services, which is clear from the so-called the concept of process management of the enterprise. At the very beginning, the authors write that Scrum is a Framework for managing the development and maintenance of a comprehensive Product, i.e. the production process.

They go on to write directly that Scrum is a process framework, so the word “Process” still appears many times, not the word „Project”. They further write that Sprints are similar to Projects with a horizon of no more than 1 month (so the conclusion is that Sprints are not mini-projects either). acc. Sprints are simply production cycles, and all of Scrum is a framework for managing the production process. The production process can function independently when it is Ongoing production or it can be part of the Project when the Project needs to produce something. Therefore, Agile and Scrum could be considered as dedicated sub-methodologies dedicated to managing the Product Development Process in Prince2. So Agile, Scrum and Kanban are sub-methodologies to the Prince2 methodology in terms of producing Products (and I would also add Services and e-Services) in the Project. On the other hand, it is totally wrong to consider them as replacement methodologies for project management such as Prince2. So all the propaganda on the Internet on this subject and book publications are at most suitable for the trash, and the GTP chat, if you ask him about it, just mindlessly repeats the same nonsense that he found on the Internet and various databases. So the reality is this:

- Prince2 is a project management methodology,

- PMI is a Library of good practices regarding project management (because it is not a Methodology, as the authors themselves write in the introduction to the PMBook),

- SCRUM, Agile, Kanban are Frameworks or Methodologies for managing production processes (and not any projects).

Thus, in relation to the production of software, the expression "Programming project" and not "Project" can be considered correct. The term Software venture (in Polish “Przedsięwzięcie programistyczne”) has been used for years in many software engineering publications. Unfortunately, such a concept does not exist in English and therefore they translate it into English as Project so according to me It's very confusing because Project is a Project and Process is a Process and they are completely different things. Attempts to combine the Production Process with project management into one methodology ended in failure. The only sensible solution is to recognize agile methodologies as a sub-methodology in the Prince2 methodology dedicated to managing the process of producing Products (or Services or e-Services) in a Project managed in accordance with the Prince2 methodology. Marek Prasoł (talk) 12:55, 13 June 2023 (UTC)


 * This is all WP:OR. We base our articles on secondary sources, not editor's personal opinions or interpretations. MrOllie (talk) 12:58, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

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