Talk:Agnes, Countess of Dunbar

Countess of Moray? No!
This woman does not appear to have been countess of Moray. Moray reverted to the crown in terms of the grant of 1312. The earldom was vacant until the Scone parliament of 1372 granted it to John Dunbar. She was, though, countess-consort of March, but I don't know if that entitles her to be called "Countess of March" on wiki. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 23:09, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * She herself boasted to coming to be "Heir of the earldom of Moray" in the situation where her last brother was threatened to be executed. I have read the actual citation of hers from a history book. It is not important what the later judicial reciontructions say who have been de jure peers and who not, the important thing is what they were in their own day. We do not erase a bunch of Brotherton and Mowbray earls of Norfolk devoid of the title, despite of the infamous verdict of the privileges committee in the Norfolk case. Marrtel 05:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

It is said that Agnes and Sir Patrick Dunbar had a daughter Mary (or Margaret) who married as his first wife William, 1st Earl of Douglas, and Mar. I will try and find more on this. Two other references are: The History of Dunbar, by James Miller, Dunbar, 1830, p.60; and The Royal Families of England, Scotland, and Wales, with their Descendants, by John, and John Bernard Burke. London, 1848, Vol.1, Pedigree CCII. David Lauder 08:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Berwick
I do not think the Earl of Dunbar/March was Governor of Berwick castle. In 1330-1, "Domino Roberto de Lawedre" of the Bass was described as Custodian or Keeper of the Marches and the Castle of Berwick-upon-Tweed, when he received a fee attributed to those positions, at Pentecost, of £33.6s.8p, plus a similar amount. He is described elsewhere as Sheriff of Berwick, for which he received a further payment. See: The Exchequer Rolls of Scotland editors: John Stuart, LL.D., & Geo.,Burnett, Lyon King of Arms, vol.1, 1264-1359, Edinburgh, 1878, pps:279, 313, 339 & 399. He was followed by the well-recorded Sir Alexander Seton as Governor of Berwick, responsible for the defence of the town, who was in situ during the Battle of Halidon Hill. 2A00:23C4:B607:CF00:BC72:572E:4A20:50D (talk) 15:36, 31 January 2021 (UTC)