Talk:Agnus Dei

Other uses
Shouldn't "Other Uses" be included in a disambuigation of Agnus Dei, rather than the main article?

Picture
Do we really need the picture of the lambs? --DearPrudence 19:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 12:30, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal

 * ''The following discussion has concluded. Please do not modify this section. Result of discussion: No merge.

I proposing that the article Dona Nobis Pacem (round) be merged into the music section of this article. --Farzaneh (talk) 11:36, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Disagree: As a song (or round) and entirely independent of the Latin mass, this lyric and music are not at all associated with Agnus Dei but stand on their own as choral repertoire. A recent example in Israel: performed by a children's choir in the Misgav Regional Council, as cited in a to-be-published study by Dr. Claudia Gluschankof of the Levinsky College of Education's Department of Music. I suggest this as indicative of its likely performance in other secular settings worldwide. For accessibility's sake, I support keeping that page as it, detailing the lyrics' source as Agnus Dei within the Mass. -- Deborahjay (talk) 18:41, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Belatedly Oppose. The proposal is too old now, and it is over. History2007 (talk) 22:12, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Music
The snippet regarding the video game Homeworld is slightly redundant; the choir arrangement is Agnus Dei to Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings, as mentioned in the top of the section. At the least, it could be clarified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.230.177.17 (talk) 07:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree. Will remove. History2007 (talk) 22:13, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

References?
This may be a strange question, but do Wiki-articles need WP:RS references? This article has 8 references, 6 of which are on music and usually go to personal or commercial music sites! I see no dramatic non-musical errors elsewhere, but key theological and Christological elements have not even been mentioned. Time to clean up. History2007 (talk) 22:16, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Having looked through this article again, it is clear that the much of theological and all of the Christological issues are missing here. There is no Christology here, and little theology to speak of. The theology exists both in the Eastern Church and the Western Church. However, the term Agnus Dei and the entire music associated with it, as well as much of the art are a Western Church issue. Hence it will not make sense to add Eastern Orthodox theology to a page called Agnus Dei, and that material needs to go to a page called Lamb of God - which currently directs to here. I think what makes sense is to move the musical items to Agnus Dei (music) which needs expansion anyway, and as is has taken over the theology. Then Lamb of God discusses both the Western and Eastern theologies and can have a section on art too, with the plain Agnus Dei page leading there. As is the Eastern Orthodox Christology can not be added to this page, so that reshuffle is needed. History2007 (talk) 15:07, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Much of the music section, before & after the trim, consists of pointless notes that it is included in this or that famous Mass or requiem setting, when it naturally would be. Where have all the others gone? There should probably also be Agnus Dei (liturgy). Then the rest can be renamed "Lamb of God" and expanded for EO & Protestant theology, and art. Johnbod (talk) 15:22, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, liturgy should probably get its own item. I trimmed some unsourced things in music, some were video game refs, some were not, but none had WP:RS. If you know some of them to be valid and have sources then put them back and they can move to the music page later, but having all kinds of unsourced items just does not seem right. If you know the music parts well, it would probably better if you do that, so it will be done right. Thanks.History2007 (talk) 15:49, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Anyway, I built the new pages, as above. The music page needs more references and is a short stub now, but I may expand that and add references if and when I get to it. If you have good refs, please expand that. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 19:52, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

After merge
So this article was a result of a merge. Could someone please say so. I fixed the links in 5 templates, - could next time someone merging please take care of it? Otherwise, many articles are shown as linked to this, but are not, which I find misleading. I also changed the redirect of Agnus dei, - readers searching for that probably want to arrive here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:59, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I did, in fact, describe this as a merge in the edit history. Perhaps you didn't check that? I was working on this merge late at night in my timezone and was planning to finish housekeeping items the next morning. No need to assume that the omissions you describe were the result of negligence. In any case, thank you for taking care of some things. Jdcompguy (talk) 14:22, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for explaining. I didn't say negligence, but think fixing involved templates should be almost a must of cleaning up after any move. Next time, why not first sleep then merge? This waited for such a long time, - a few more hours really would not have made much difference.
 * This article is a merge of the former Agnus Dei (liturgy) and Agnus Dei (music) where anybody interested can see what we had so far, - not much. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:57, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Music
The musical section is rather poor, should better say how some composers treated the words expressively. I removed a mass that doesn't even have an article, and split masses and masses for the dead, - which have a different text which doesn't appear yet. Many open wishes ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:49, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, the musical section is rather poor. It was taken mostly as-is from one of the merged articles: Agnus Dei (music). A discussion of the different text for Masses for the Dead, which you mentioned as a wishlist item, is actually already in the article, but it's easy to miss if you're just skimming. Jdcompguy (talk) 14:22, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The distinction of mass to mass for the dead is already in the article because I put it there, after the merge. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:57, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Trying to clean up more links, I saw that Lamb of God has slightly more about music than this, - someday I'll merge, but not now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:05, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Catholic -- English translation
In my Catholic missal app it says, "you take away the sins of the world" and this is also the only thing I ever heard said in Catholic mass at many (American) parishes. Where is "who takes away the sins of the world" said? Should the article be edited to reflect the "you take away" language in the Latin Catholic section?

As an aside, a link to "Latin Church" might be useful where that church is referred to, since that article clarifies that we are talking about the Roman Catholic Church, and to some people (such as me), "Latin Catholic" might be somewhat ambiguous - I couldn't tell if it was referring to traditional masses in Latin or the Roman Catholic Church altogether, at first.

-KaJunl (talk) 01:55, 9 June 2022 (UTC)