Talk:Aiko, Princess Toshi

autism?
Sorry if this should go at the bottom. I wonder if it would be inappropriate to mention, in the article, that many (in Japan) suspect that Aiko suffers from autism. In fact, there is usually a great deal of discussion about that on 2-channel, especially when new videos of Aiko appear.


 * If you can find some reputable articles discussing the claim, then yes, I think it should at least be mentioned in this article. Until it is confirmed or officially denied, you'd have to make sure it is clearly labeled as just a popular belief.Aceya 09:05, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, that makes sense. Although there is a raging debate about it on 2ch, I'm not sure it has been picked up by any mainstream press.

heir apparent?
Given that Aiko's mother has now given birth to a boy: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/09/05/japan.princess/index.html should references to being "heir apparent" be removed? Or does this mean something other than the obvious?


 * If you check the page, it says that they changed it so that its the first-born child, not the first born son. Although since Princess Kiko gave birth to a boy (yet to be named), some people are debating it again. As it stands, Princess Aiko is still currently the heir. Disinclination 01:04, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Aiko's mother gives birth to a boy? No, it isn't. It is her aunt who gives birth to a baby boy. Joshua Chiew 09:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

And Aiko was never heir-apparent. Her father is, and there was talk of changing the law so as to make her second in line after her father, but those proposals were shelved after Princess Kiko's pregnancy was announced Nik42 07:57, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I do believe it good to remove or qualify the claim that Princess Aiko would marry a commoner -- regardless of any law, she has every option to marry who she chooses to marry, and it's more likely she'd enter an honorable and high born marriage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.82.165.100 (talk) 20:55, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * She'd have to marry a commoner if she does marry - commoner in this context simply means "not a member of the Imperial Family", and the Imperial Family has been shrunk to the point where there would be no non-incestuous Imperial Family members available for her to marry Nik42 (talk) 20:00, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Name of article
Naming this article is tough -- every other member of the Imperial Household is just Naruhito, Michiko etc, so should this also be moved to Aiko? Just seems pretty ambiguous, as there's already a Aiko (J-pop singer). Jpatokal 17:19, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Yup, the ambiguity means we can't use just "Aiko", and while Aiko (princess) is possible (and should be a redir), it's slicker to use "Princess Aiko", since it is a valid titling also, and can often be used without piping. Stan 22:02, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Redirect at Aiko (princess) made. &#38738;&#12356;(Aoi) 8 July 2005 20:46 (UTC)


 * Would it not be possible to make this "Aiko" and create a disambig page called "Aiko (disambiguation)"? elvenscout742 15:31, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Princess Masako's age
The sentence And because Princess Masako is 40 years old is date relative, in fact she is more than 40 now. Why not replace with And because Princess Masako is more than 40 years old? User:85.164.76.159


 * Done. &mdash;Lowellian (talk) 00:45, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)

Title of putative monarch Aiko
This article ends with the phrase "the Japanese public is supportive of Aiko becoming Empress." I have read elsewhere that the eight females to occupy the throne were Emperors; only the wife of an Emperor is called Empress. If Aiko should accede, would her title be Emperor or Empress?


 * In Japanese, there's no doubt. She'd be called Tennou, just like her male counterparts.  In English, it's more complicated.  Some historians do, in fact, use the term "Emperor" or "Female Emperor" for the women who have sat on the throne.  Other historians refer to them as "Empresses" or "Reigning Empresses" to disinguish from wives of Emperors.  My guess is that English-speakers will call her Empress should she ascend the throne. - Nik42 19:45, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It's always been Tenno, the first 8 females before her were all Tennos. I think the first one to use Tenno was a female too. So Tenno = Emperor/Empress regnant. 24.14.120.92 23:20, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Princess Toshi
Shouldn't this article be called just "Princess Toshi"? That's how we have all the other articles of "[name]-no-miya." We call the Prince Mikasa article just that, not "Takahito, Prince Mikasa of Japan." --Matjlav 18:42, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * the problem is that she is known under multiple names (tip:google search). she is known as "Princess Aiko" but also under her title "Toshi-no-miya", which would roughly but incorrectly translate as "Princess Toshi". in Japan they use both, or just call her "Aikosama". under Wikipedia naming conventions you would use the title, name, and country. so if you want to rename it, it would have to be Princess Toshi of Japan. Ex: Princess Märtha Louise of Norway or Princess Michael of Kent. Gryffindor 17:49, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

WP naming conventions for monarchical and royal titles are NOT applied to eastern civilizations, as everyone can read from the conventions page. European naming uses disambiguation by country name precisely because same first names are in use in several countries - but this is not the case in Japan. Gryffindor (neé Antares) wants to put overwhelming bunch of titularies and styles to all headings here, but that should not be listened to. 217.140.193.123 20:55, 1 August 2005 (UTC) A very good new heading for this article would be Aiko, Princess Toshi 217.140.193.123 21:17, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

I have a question. Why can't we simply name this article "Aiko" or "Princess Aiko?" The Wikipedia naming conventions page states this about non-European and non-Western names and titles: "Most general rule overall: use the most common form of the name used in English if none of the rules cover a specific problem." Not too many people who speak English know the Princess as "Princess Toshi," even if it is her official title. Most English media reports, whether from America or, say, the BBC, call her "Aiko" or "Princess Aiko." In either case, right now, articles about Japanese royalty are literally all over the place, using half a dozen different formats. Instead of battling out the naming of individual articles, a set standard should be created. &#38738;&#12356;(Aoi) 06:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi Aoi (or are you?) Usually, I would agree on that principle (= Aiko, plain and pure), but regarding Japanese female names, the question is disambiguation. There seems to be several females with such usual names as Nobuko, Sadako... Aiko is possibly not so common (does anyone know of other noteworthy Aikos?), but certain consistency says that if for disambiguation, a "principlality" is mentioned to girls with very common first names, then also others should have similar. Of course, the "of Japan" is totally redundant and useless for disambiguation and also no use to anything else - same first names are NOT usually used outsde of Japan anyway, thus saying "of Japan" repeats a self-evident thing, or sets an unnecessary burden. The "principality" naming is useful for disambiguation, as it is rare bad luck that two persons with precisely same first name shared a princely title. Toshi is actually a "principality", it is like "Anjou" in "Philip, Duke of Anjou". Basically for need of disambiguation, I prefer Aiko, Princess Toshi - otherwise, I would support Aiko. 217.140.193.123 23:23, 2 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks for the response. I consulted a Japanese culture expert today and asked for her opinion on what to name this article. She told me that it would be inappropriate to name the article just plain "Aiko." She did say, however, that naming the article "Princess Aiko," "Aiko, Princess Toshi" or "Aiko, Princess Toshi of Japan" would be appropriate. I forgot to ask her about naming the article plainly, "Princess Toshi," but I'll be sure to ask her about it when I talk to her tomorrow.


 * BTW, there is at least one other Aiko that is particularly noteworthy: (Aiko (singer). The j-pop singer aiko is one of the most popular pop artists in Japan. Most people searching for the singer "aiko" (the singer aiko does not capitalize the "a" in her name) would look under en.wikipedia.org/wiki/aiko, because the singer does not use her last name. Thus, the current disambiguation at aiko seems like a good idea to me. &#38738;&#12356;(Aoi) 01:05, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

For example, Masako seems to be rather common girl's name in Japanese royalty/nobility. Regarding the culture expert, of course I respect the expertise. However, there presumably are several North Koreans, experts too, who think it is inappropriate to leave "Dear Leader" from the naming of Kim - and that still is no reason for us to allow such epithets into our article headings. The same with epithets requested by others, as long as such do not help in disambiguation. IMO, we need to treat all sorts of titleholders objectively and as equally as possible. I oppose "Princess Toshi" because it does not have her first name, i.e because of its impersonal feeling (almost same as to put Elizabeth II under the heading The current queen of the United Kingdom. Afaik her first name, Aiko, is widely used of her. In this case, the simplest solution would be "Aiko", but because of disambiguation in this case and in general, words Aiko and Toshi are both useful here. What do you think of the proposition Aiko, Princess Toshi? (In my understanding, that is one of the most minimal alternatives with sufficient disambiguation potential) 217.140.193.123 09:54, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Possible vandalism?
Why is there a photograph of a penis on Princess Aiko's page?
 * Gone now. :) Disinclination 01:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Removal of "Fingerpainting"
I understand the removal of "began training in fingerpainting", but as there are many famous images of her enjoying the game, maybe it could be included in the list of things she enjoys doing?

Details of "bullying incident"
Wikipedia is the only source on the English-language internet where I have found claims that Princess Aiko was "scratched" or "kicked". All English-language sources I could find only say that she was "startled by the rough behavior of some boys in her class", and the worst thing the boys have been reported as doing was "running past her" and startling her. The two sources given for physical abuse such as "scratching" and "kicking" are both in Japanese and, as far as I can tell, aren't accessible from the internet. How do we know what format they're in, whether they even exist, or whether they say anything about Princess Aiko at all? Is there a Japanese-speaking person who can confirm that these sources exist, are legit, and support what the bullying section of this article says? NoriMori (ノリモリ) 18:16, 31 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I took out this entire sourced section for two reasons. 1) With only a reference to the titles of the articles in Japanese it does not follow WP:NOENG and 2) the two magazines referenced (週刊文春 -  Shukan Bunshun and 週刊新潮 Shunkan Shincho) should not be considered reliable sources for a BLP. I'm replacing it now with more reliable sources XinJeisan (talk) 11:03, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

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daughter of Crown Prince
I know, just a matter of hours, but the article on Naruhito still calls him Crown Prince, not Emperor.--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 13:10, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

title after father's abdication?
Does she keep her current title when her father abdicates? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 13:31, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Most likely. She’s not allowed to inherit the throne, so she will keep her current title until her marriage (or death if she chooses to stay single). Keivan.f  Talk 21:26, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Look Japan article
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