Talk:Air Force Office of Special Investigations

Page move...?
Given this recent edit, should the page be moved to follow suit; United States Air Force Office of Special Investigations → Office of Special Investigations...? - w o lf  17:54, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I think the sources support moving to Office of Special Investigations (United States Department of the Air Force). The IP seems correct – sources have stopped using AF OSI and just gone to OSI. We do need to disambiguate though. Garuda28 (talk)
 * Sure, that works too. - w o lf  22:52, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

AFOSI as an Official Law Enforcement Agency
Under AFOSI: It was not until 1976 when an OSI reservist noted the discrepancy and called it to the attention of command, and OSI quickly sought and received official recognition and designation as an official law enforcement agency.[citation needed].

I am Ronald Knapp, a retired reserve AFOSI special agent, badge 1182. As a state trooper and reserve Special Agent, I was conducting research with the Washington State Patrol and discovered OSI had never been an officially designated as a law enforcement agency and had never been assigned an ORI number from the United States Attorney General's Office. I did in fact notify my commanders of the oversite during the summer of 1976. Shadow549 (talk) 00:40, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Your information can't be added as is as it's comsidered original research. You would need to find a reliable source to support the information for it to be added. - w o lf  00:25, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * My research was based on the 1975 National ORI manual utilized at that time, published by The Department of Justice, and by Washington State law. The National Crime Information Center manual, contains all ORI numbers assigned to all criminal justice law enforcment and communicatgions centers across the US.  The manual lists only recognized law enforcement agencies. Refer to National Law Enforcement Telecommunications Systems - ORI (Originating Agency Identifier) Directory | Office of Justice Programs (ojp.gov).  Pages 350-351 of the current ORI manual lists the updated AFOSI information added after September of 1976. See also: National Crime Information Center (NCIC) - FBI Information Systems (fas.org). Refer also to: Washington State 1972 law RCW 43.43.700 Identification and criminal history section - Any person who wilfully requests, obtains or seeks to obtain criminal offender record information... penalty fined not more than five thousand dollars, or imprisoned not more than one year or both.  AFOSI special agents making such requests without proper authorization under law were subject to arrest prior to the US Attorney's designation of AFOSI as a law enforcement agency in 1976. Shadow549 (talk) 06:10, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough then. If you read the link on sourcing above, you'll need to provide a speficic source so that it can be attached per WP:CITE. Then add what information you would like added or changged in a "please change 'X' to 'Y' format", or just a "please add 'X'" format. Someone will hopefully help you out shortly. - w o lf  13:38, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 12 January 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 17:06, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Department of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations → Air Force Office of Special Investigations – the Department of the Air Force is not necessary as there's no other Air Force Office of Special Investigations, outside of the department 83.168.137.1 (talk) 15:42, 12 January 2024 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support - It is typically internally just referred to as Office of Special Investigations (OSI), though externally (the example there is under "Reporting incidents" on the second page) it refers to itself as the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI), which is also the name agencies like the FBI use. Sources outside of the DoD such as AXIOS and Military.com call it "the Air Force's Office of Special Investigations". I think it makes sense to use Air Force Office of Special Investigations as a WP:COMMONNAME that also serves as a natural disambiguation for the other commonly used name. - Aoidh (talk) 20:52, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support From the USAF's official .mil website, they list it as "Air Force Office of Special Investigations" as should we. Being a Navy brat, I do understand the "Department of the..." part, cause everything is a "Department of" or an "Office of", but per Wikipedia rules, that can be left off here. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 23:57, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. Clear correct title. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:40, 16 January 2024 (UTC)