Talk:Air Gear/Archive 1

Please help to improve
Please help to improve this page especially if there errors in some of the terms and names. For one, I can't find Ongiri's full name at all and as well as the names of the eight Kings. Will be nice if someone edit it accordingly. Eraowia 06:54, 13 October 2005 (UTC)


 * no one knows who all the kings are, we have seen picture showing all the previous kings. but it is stated that only spitfire and the pledge queen are the same, and that they both plan on passing on the regalaShinigami Josh 22:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

It would be nice if someone helped to complete the part I wrote about Kaito and added his name in japanese. 11 may, 2006

While we appreciate people contributing to the article, it would certainly be nice to cut the number of edits down by condensing more information into large, less frequent ones. This help keep the history page a lot cleaner and less cluttered. Dingé 18:42, 23 May 2006

Please help with the name of the King of Tunining and his or her road!

i think its the "ring road" and its the perverted nurse/doctor, who is also the nurse of the school they go to

Suggestion: I think it would be a good idea to have a section that explains the adaptation of the manga into the anime, stating whether it's loyal to the manga or if it has some differences, which would also be stated. xianthebandit


 * That should probably wait until the conclusion of the anime. Dingé 23:48, 06 September 2006 (UTC)

Error: I've found an error Ringo isn't the thorn queen it's Rika, Yet she's nowhere in the sleeping forest page. I'd fix it... just i don't know how i'm still new to this, and well i'm copying and pasting currently. Captain_BakaMan January 09, 2007


 * Captain_Bakaman, you mean to say Rika was the precursor to the title of Thorn Queen right? She is now retired, and passed the title to her sister, who nows runs the Sonia Road.  Daniengrey 15:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Question about Flame Regalia
increased frictional properties (if only applied to road-wheel interfaces) improves acceleration. It helps with grip, etc. Hence why cars spin out, the frictional interface between the road and the tires isn't strong enough to allow the car the forward push it needs to move if the wheels start accelerating too quickly. So the explanation of the Flame Regalia... doesn't really make sense?

Behemoth
The Sano Yasuyoshi part of this article says that "However he isn't without honor as its his statement that gives Kogarasumaru their win after the battle with Akira (the two teams had techniclly stalemated with 2 wins each)" I don't remember this being right. Behemoth beats Bucca and Kazu. Kogarasumaru wins with Onigiri, Agito, and Ikki. I, however, am not confident enough to change this (as i have been wrong before). Am i the only one that thinks this? dk Jan 8, 2:00

Also, when was Sano ever the King of the Flame Road? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.220.103.96 (talk) 19:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

Here's a question, since when was Udo Akira ever at all, characterized by a large lion? As I recall, he was always portrayed by a giant, armor-plated serpent beast of some sort. Dannydog3067 07:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

the first tim you see him in the trash yard he is characterised by a roaring lionShinigami Josh 22:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

sano was never king of the flame road, in the battle with Kogarasumaru it is said that he was in the running. being in the running doesn't make you the winner. also im moving the article (as is) to a separate page as it really clutters up the page and doesn't need to Shinigami Josh 09:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Time issues
I'm also wondering if it is appropriate to use phrases like currently or in the latest chapter. As it is still an on-going series i do realize these phrases will be, at times, unavoidable. But Reduction in the frequency they are used could also reduce the frequency that the article has to change.


 * I agree with you. Overuse of 'currently', or 'in the lastest chapter' could lead to problems later (namely that they have to be rewritten), but I don't see any way of changing what people write...especially since no one discusses changes to the article in this discussion room much.  If someone could come up with an idea, i'd like to hear it. Daniengrey 15:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Kings and roads
Answer for question regarding the Wing Road and Sky King: The king of the Wing Road is the Wind King. The status of Wind King is a pre-requisite to becoming the Sky King. For reason(s) yet to be made clear, the unification of all eight Kings of the AT world seems to be essential in the creation of a new Sky King. It is currently assumed that no one has been crowned as the Sky King in the past. Takeuchi Sora was close, but failed due to the betrayal of Kilik. Dingé 17:56, 16 June 2006

Then maybe it would be better to add this explanation to the article? Ti-Ana 15:04, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

The explanation has been added to the main article. There was another incorrent edit to the table of the same nature, so I guess the addition is necessary. Dingé 17:11, 1 July 2006

Comment by 69.224.18.193: "Im quite sure wind and sky are one in the same because of the fact that in the anime series you see Only 7 roads to the center i wondered my self but u see the sky king come down or maby the wind road wouldnt literaly have a road." Response: The Wind King and the Sky King are completely different as far as titles and attributes are concerned. Your perceptions about the anime's presentation of Roads and Kings are incorrect. Episode 13 of the anime specifically states "when the eight Roads and eight Kings gather, the fabled Sky King will descend." In this scene one clearly sees eight silhouettes radiating from a fixed focal point where a representation of the Sky Kings slowly appears. Moreover, the Trophaeum in both anime and manga show eight protrusions from its summit, symbolizing the eight roads and kings. Dingé 01:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

there is also the status of who is the currant fang king as in the manga it is stated that Akito is the fang king not Agito, and that Agito has never possesed the regala of the bloody road Shinigami Josh 05:22, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

''Actually, according to the latest translations of the manga, agito is the fang king while akito is it's tuner. I do not know what the situation before the personality split would have been, and how it is possible that a person can be it's own tuner. But this is what is suggested in the manga at least (last 2 pages of Chapter 106). Also, the explanation on kings should be elaborated. You should add that a real king by your definition, is a king that is standing on top of the trophaeum. Because a real king by my understanding is any king, any stormrider who has the potential to use infinity max and has regalia, which is why I find the choice of words a bit confusing. As such, there are many more than 8 kings and 8 regalia, the only thing we know for sure right now is that any given time, there were only 8 sitting at the top of the trophaeum. Info from chapter 102,111,112 (all from the middle on, page 11). 81.240.168.91 18:42, 30 December 2006 (UTC)''

Since Kazu created flames through friction when he attained the flame road in chapter 126, I do not believe that the illusion of flame is actually the effect of the regalia, but just a normal effect of the flame road. Mundaneman 20:54, 24 January 2007

Yes that should be changed, the flames created by the wheel are quite real. In fact Spitfire has used it to light a cigarette in Chapter 123. Also on the topic of the definition of kings. There are indeed more than 8 kings, however the difference between the Sleeping Forest Kings and the Trophaeum ones are that the 8 Trophaeum Kings are essential in the creation of a Sky King. 70.58.104.183 02:26, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that the illusions are from the road, and the real flames are from the regalia. Mundaneman 16:44, 25 January 2007

from what was said by Yoshitsune while kazu was doing the "flame dance" "the flame in the air creates an upward pressure" (volume 15  ch126 pg91) that implies that the flames are real and not an illusion; also if it looks like flames and generates heat, bets are that they are real flamesShinigami Josh 09:22, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Is it possible that regalia makes the flames easier to make? I mean the fang regalia makes fangs easier to produce, but is not essential in their creation.

It is probable that that is true. However, the flames that Spitfire made when he was introduced were definitely illusions. The only flames that were certainly real were sent out in a sort of blast, not a trail left behind like the illusions were, or Kazu's were. Also, sole illusions would make the Flame regalia the only one that is useless except for show. Mundaneman 12:51, 29 January 2007

''The answer is obvious, Spitfire can choose whether he wants to create real flames or just the illusion of it, I assume the wheels are made of a special material to make creating fire easier then if someone tried to normally do it, like Kazu for example. Dannydog3067 02:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)''

Ive added a chart of the old 8 kings and thier names, shown in chapter 154 in the manga. And also included them in the Gravity Children section. [BlackCat]


 * Regarding the old kings of SF: Falko -> Falco?  Black Ban -> Black Burn?  What are your thoughts? Dingé 5:08, February 22, 2007


 * yes i would agree, those are just names i put in as soon as the chapter was released~ it would make more sense if ban was changed to burn and i initially put falco but thought falko looked better >_<. i will edit it on the main page, thanks for the correction~ [BlackCat]

Identity of the current Gem King, Nike, has been revealed in chapter 157. He is Takeuchi Sora's twin brother, who is also named "Sora" (his first name is written in different kanji: 武內宙-Takeuchi Sora/Nike, 武內空-Takeuchi Sora/the one we know). Sora(空) has, apparently, been faking his leg injury. It would appear that Sora(空) has yet to give up his old ambitions. Also, Nike's Road is the Jade Road (緋翠の道-ジェド・ロード). Only Kilik's Road is the Gaia Road (大地の道-ガイア・ロード). Please make changes where appropriate. Dingé 23:42, 9 March, 2007


 * Was going to make the changes sooner, but was busy, ive already made the corrosponding changes to the article. Note: Nike's road is named "Jade Road - 緋翠の道" and Kilik's "Gaia Road - 大地の道" it is unclear at the moment which of these is the current Gem king, in other words we havnt been shown who actually has the regalia, so for now i have assumed Nike's Jade road to be current and added it to the current 8 kings, and added Kilik's Gaia Road as the original 8 kings. Changes will be made as further information becomes available. [BlackCat] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.216.191.182 (talk) 07:09, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

Deleted last sentence of Sonia Road's Regalia Ability description as it's speculation and not fact. I've also fixed some of the punctuation and grammatical errors. Dannydog3067 04:44, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Noyamano Ringo
i was wondering as in the manga crazy apple seams to be her regala, not her Shinigami Josh

as appeared in the manga many times, she introduced herself as Crazy Apple, queen of the forest. So i guess she is either called crazy apple, or her regalia and her are both called crazy apple. [BlackCat]

TV Anime
If I understand it right, the TV anime is complete while the Manga is ongoing. Are there plans to produce a second season, or will the Manga simply continue with the anime over, like Inuyasha? Also, did the Anime close with an original plot or did it end without closure? TwilightxPrince 22:10, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I would also want to know the reception of the article thinking that would help a lot of people.

The anime follows the manga quite truthfully, except for the battles. They get shifted around a bit chronologically, and sometimes have substantially different 'content' (e.g. the fight with the skull saders occurs before the battle with buccha in the manga, and has ikki applying the air-gear-on-wall trick; it occurs after the buccha fight in the anime, with Ikki wallriding instead of doing any tricks to win), but the end result is always the same. Also, some critical information/subplots are missing from the anime, like the graveyard arc/potemkin battle being left out. The anime has a completely open ending, and didn't really feature plot details not mentioned in the anime (i do not consider changing battle details as part of the plot). I do not have the right credentials to add this thing to the article, so I hope someone else will 87.65.66.175 18:53, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

The Air Treck Article
I have just created the Air Treck article, and it's going to need some help. Please contribute to the article! SuperDT 07:12, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Manga
Does anyone know if the number of chapters on the main page is correct - 146 chapters?

There are actually more than 146 chapters, but as the format of the info box specifically refers to volumes i have just edited it to show 132 chapters (which is how many are in the 15 tankoban volumes. The actual number of chapters serialized to date is 150. Daniengrey 19:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

In regards to constant bizarre changes to the wiki
Attention everyone, please stop constantly editing the wiki with bizarre information. We should discuss important changes on the talk/discussion page first. Things like saying Sano is the precursor of the Flame Road are not verified in fact, and should be discussed here first.

Please stop deleting links to other articles about the Teams in Air Gear.

Finally, please do not post your personal opinions or comments about characters in this wiki; that is not the purpose of this article. Everyone is not interested in your opinion of Ringo, or her characteristics. Please refrain from posting nonsensical things.

If you are having trouble editing the wiki, please read the internal articles on how to edit. Your contributions are appreciated, but if you make a mess someone else will have to clean it up.

I ask other wikipedia users to please cooperate with me to try to clean this article up. If continued vandalism and edit wars on this article continue, I will have to apply to the admins to have this article locked from edits. Please do not force me to do so.

Thank you, Daniengrey 07:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Woah! Wait a minute there Daniegrey! I mean this in the most respectful way, but, for someone who has been a Wikipedian 9 days you sure are using some strong language there.  Perhaps you need to review the Five Pillars of Wikipedia Especially the policy assume good faith.  Don't start going all willy-nilly over a few edits!  Your language comes across quite strong, and frankly, makes me feel like you have claimed ownership over this article.  I don't want to sound condescending, but chill out a little. Ksumoe 15:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The wording itself wasn't meant to be strong-minded. This account is still new, that's true, but I've been part of the wikipedia community for longer than that, and finally decided to create an account instead of leaving my IP address.  I understand you do not wish to be condescending, but please do not attempt an ad hominem attack stating that daniengrey is "too new" to make contributions or point out silly remarks (wikipedia doesn't have tenure); this reinforces the condescending image. I make no 'claim' to this article, but I do take exception to people making that edits that call Ringo a 'Hentai pervert' etc.  Entering data like that is not acceptable, and there is no possible way I can assume good faith with such entries.  Following that line of logic, however, should you not also assume good faith with me writing inside this discussion page asking for us all to work together on the article?  If I did not wish to help the article become better and clean it up, would I even participate in this discussion page?  I digress though...
 * The primary point that I wished to bring to everyone's attention is we don't discuss changes enough on this article in the discussion section. Everyone just goes off and edits according to their own interpretation without working with the whole community to come to a consensus on issues.  I am simply asking everyone who contributes to this article to being to work together so we can create a good article, and to clean this one up (because it's a mess).  This was never meant to come across as strong-worded, but I don't like skirting around the issue, I get right to the point, business-like.  I would appreciate it if everyone could understand my mentality. Daniengrey 15:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Emblems
I was sort of hoping to find a few emblems here, does anyone have any? it would be awesome if they did felinoel 06:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Emblems would definetely be good to have, if we cannot find any I could try to extract them out the manga itself. However, as I said earlier, we should be careful and verify emblems here first, without just adding them to the article all over the place.  I'll start looking for emblems now. Daniengrey 15:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

i have extracted from the manga

agito

behemoth

buls

fang regala

genesis

loli army (i cant remember the proper name its okish im looking for a better one)

the night kings team

rez-boa-dogs

sabel tiger

skull saders

sleeping forest

spitfire

trident

i was wondering as to what licence to put them under as i got the images from the manga but edited them before i put them up (cleaning, redrawing, fixing) there is also some i ripped from the covers but as there is no team asociated with them i didnt upload them.

Shinigami Josh 04:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Sky King
i was re reading volume 15 and on page 70-71, fraying about all the roads and regalas, it seams he is weither saying that each road and its regala are from the same begining, or from what else he says (and the fact that we dont know if any one has EVER been crowned sky king) that the sky kings regalia/road are part of every other one? Shinigami Josh 13:50, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

The Sky Regalia is the regalia of all regalias, it was developed by scientists inside the 'tower', and is still locked inside the tower. Years ago when the research subjects (namely sora, kilik, simca, gabishi, om and others to be confirmed) escaped from the tower, the scientists, while holding the sky regalia fell from the tower and died. In present times his mummified body is still locked inside the tower, and the suitcase he is holding contains the sky regalia. This infomation is given in chapter 150 and 152. Kilik explained it to ikki. [BlackCat]

Article Re-assessment
Why is Air Gear still rated as "Start-Class"? It should be much higher considering how exhaustive it is.--81.156.180.153 (talk) 16:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Ringo Noyamano
I think she should be place in the main characters section. She is shown with Ikki every step of the way.--Justwisted 05:13, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, why isn't Ringo listed in the main characters? She one of the most important characters to this show. Second only to Ikki. Araxen 18:17, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

King's Roads
Reading the translations provided for the infinity atmospheres in the Kings and Road section, it is written with 'Infinite' as the prefix (ie. Infinite Inferno) But reading the original air gear japanese raws, I think the katakana actually reads as 'Infinity Inferno' rather then Infinite.

eg. インフィニティ.スカーレ would say infiniti sukaare -> Infinity Scale

If Infinite was used instead then the katakana should read インフィニット instead someone please confirm.

When confirmed please make corresponding edits.

Also on a side note. I have changed the Pledge Kings Infinity Atmosphere from 'Infinite Sound' to 'Infinite Scale' as thats what the katakana would be prounounced. Also confirmed by the meaning of the kanji. It is refering to Musical Scales and not sound. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blkcat13 (talk • contribs) 12:09, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Musicals
Should we add a separate article for the Air Gear musicals? It might get too clustered if we cram the information about the Air Gear musicals on this page.

Vera26 07:45, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

CROW
What is the crow always following the main character? 165.21.83.240 13:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

its not really gone into its a kinda "pet" crow that nests in his hair, in the more curant chapers its not seen muchShinigami Josh 12:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Online Chapters
Where do I get online chapters?

that is not a question for wiki my friend, but google is your friend Shinigami Josh 12:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Iriya Natsumi
the chick from sabel tiger, its has her as one of the 33 people ikki jumped over but the only 33 people thing was the devils 33, and in that ikki only had one person at the end of the line and that was ringo. theres no reference so if there isnt a source for it in a few days i will get rid of itShinigami Josh 12:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * At the beginning of the devil's 33, she and the rez boa dogs and a few of the others that kogarasamaru beat say they will help Ikki by laying down. It happens in episode 24 of the anime i think. Hope that helps some Kage-Lupus 23:14, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

the devils 30-30 in the manga and anime were different. in the manga only ringo took part in the jump. in the anime kogarasumaru, the sabel tigers, rez-boa dogs and cyclops hammer took part in it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noahtheimagine (talk • contribs) 23:43, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Ball Roler type
it says that there first shown worn by aeon clock when he vs gabishi, but if your look at the early fight of behemoth vs ikkis team, it shows the wierd guy with a tv over his head as wearing them Shinigami Josh 12:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Headmaster
I sort of surprised that their is nothing written about the schools headmaster. Considering he gave a place for Kogarasumaru a place to call their home base. Also he is the one it seems that give the Bagram's core to both Sora and Ikki. I think this character still have a lot to do with the development of the storyline. (Duane543 16:01, 15 April 2007 (UTC))

???
Is there going to be a season 2 of Air Gear and if not why??

i know they left it kind of hanging. i thought there would b more then 25. if they got good sense they will make more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.225.187.91 (talk) 01:00, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Removing Air Trecks
We should remove one or the other one. Air Treck is stated twice with the same information given on the page. Once at the start of the page just before Story and again in the Terms section.... Anyone agree with me with this?--Justwisted 05:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * "Air Trecks are motorized roller skates with one wheel in front of each other." I may be wrong, but isnt that just the description of in-line skates? Kage-Lupus 15:30, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:AirGear-01-01-006-007 EDIT.jpg
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Mass cleanup of article
This article really needs cleanup, and the parts should at least be separated into these articles:

List of Characters in Air Gear <--- where each character will be categorized under their team, as well as an "Other Characters" part for those without teams.

List of Air Gear terms

Kings and Roads (Air Gear)

List of Air Gear media and materials <--- for the stuff like the musical, voice cast, episode list, manga chapters, soundtracks, etc.

also, the "Air Treck" part just before the "Story" part should be removed, since it's redundant with the Air Treck entry in the Terms section.

comments? this article is annoyingly messy. i'll try to do it myself if there's no response for about...until the weekend.--Chemicalist 13:41, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * since no one has responded, I'll ignore that little bit about the adding stuff in the wiki(the last poster posted way back in january...) I've started editing the article, will do further cleanup tomorrow after initial edits. Still open for comments, and any help is appreciated.--Chemicalist 20:19, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You should have links in the main article that go to the other articles (Media and Materials, Musical, Kings and Roads, and Terms) even though they are in the template. This will make the main article look more filled out. (Duane543 03:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC))
 * Filled it out a bit. It did look dry when I edited it. --Chemicalist 17:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for the clean-up. It looks a lot better now. And this is a few months after i sorted out the Citations..how time flies..LOL. Anyway, is it safe to remove the clean-up tag yet? RedEyesMetal 18:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe it is. I haven't been able to edit the other articles(individual character/team articles) but the article itself is cleaned up enough. :)--Chemicalist 14:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

episodes
alright so how many episodes are out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.240.32.10 (talk) 22:48, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

25 Episodes + 1 other they call a special trick. im not sure where it fits in, but it seems to right after Genisis is offered to ikki, and before the school trip. Rillion (talk) 13:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Am I the only one who wished there was another season of Air Gear? I watched all 25 plus Special Trick, and I hated that they gave it a cliffhanger like ending. And did the original Japanese version have the Crow censoring or was it just the American version? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.214.248.129 (talk) 07:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

the 25 episodes are available on netflix - they even have it on "play now". Also, best buy sells a box set of all the episodes. Fluhlej (talk) 23:46, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, listen up
I've cleaned up most of the team articles and I found the Chapters page which was abadoned by someone. So, can someone clean up the manga chapters page? I'm not too good with that.RedEyesMetal 15:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Updated the fair use rationals for all the current images used in the Air Gear articles. When an editor uploads new images and claims fair use, the editor must also write a fair use rational or they will be deleted (wiki is cracking down on images without them). (Duane543 16:38, 15 September 2007 (UTC))

Long time, no news/updates?
I'm passing by some animes. Eventually found the Manga chapters here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Air_Gear_chapters. I agree on someone at the other discussion about the lack of some information, but I'm sadly in no shape to change this. Also, (nearly, 5 days left) 1 year has passed since the last episode. Seems like hope for a second season is no where to be seen? The manga was last updated on 9 September (2k7), seems like it ended aswel? News or information appreciated. (Is this really the end for a well made Anime?) Ge4ce 16:06, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Well I don't know about the anime, but the manga's not finished yet. Try : LINK REMOVED for the most recent manga chapters. 84.143.85.233 19:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. To bad there are only a dozen rumours about the Anime or Movie. Some say that it got canceled, and some say the creators are letting the manga move ahead, and some say it's already in the make. On Anime News Network it shows that the last parts of the Anime has not been released yet for the English.

Air Gear - A Battle of Kings (DVD 5) 2007-10-02 Air Gear - Kill 'Em Dead (DVD 6) 2007-12-04
 * Or I made a mistake on the dates form. One of the few rumours state that there is a (slight) increase in popularity. Anyway, thanks again. Ge4ce 04:53, 27 September 2007 (UTC)