Talk:Air Koryo/Archive 1

South Korean Romanization
The Revised Romanization System is a recent South Korean government creation with openly political overtones. I find it highly inappropriate to use it for anything North Korean. The North Koreans have their own system. Since this is not a South Korean airline and this is not a South Korean name – when would it ever be appropriate to use the South Korean system to Romanize the name of this airline? Listing this Romanized name under the South Korean system displays a very un-encyclopedic ignorance of the language and political environment. If English language contributors are going to maintain a neutral point of view, then they will have to discard their South Korean trappings – inclusive of the South Korean government’s Romanization system.

(DfggHhooper31g.34.27776-A) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.79.62.21 (talk) 09:29, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Booking site
Why is this being removed? There isn't really any link at all between KFA and airkoryo.77.98.177.54 16:24, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Destinations
The official website now lists only Beijing as a scheduled destination. Is this correct? If so, the article needs to be changed and the intro also needs to make it clearer that they don't fly often or to many places at all. --kingboyk 15:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The so-called 'official' website is an arm of the Korean Friendship Association and only caters to Beijing tourists with their bookings. They don't take into account services into Russia or elsewhere. Any info from the KFA website is not necessarily correct. --Russavia 16:34, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * KFA website doesn't show all the routes. We fly Beijing and also Shenyang, Moscow and Vladivostock. airkoryo.co.uk makes it clear about the other routes. KFA website has nothing to do with the airline it is just a political fan site.--AirKoryo 16:37, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * They don´t fly to Moscow! This service was suspended! You prefer to say "we". If you are an Air Koryo employee you should know that, or? Dagadt

Booking&Fares
Can somebody tell me how to book a flight with Air Koryo??? Over an d above that I´d like to know how big the flight fares are. I heard Beijing-Pyongyang 334$. Is this right? Dagadt — Preceding undated comment added 11:24, 10 July 2007‎

It's sketchy, the fares range usually from 200€ to 400€ or there abouts. Just like most airlines the fares change on different dates — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.98.177.54 (talk) 17:00, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I read the answer above and the one on my talk. Many thanks for your reply! I don´t want to fly to Pyonyang now, but I´m interested in the fares because of I want to travel to North Korea one time in my live...Dagadt — Preceding undated comment added 08:05, 1 August 2007‎

Only flights from Pyongyang?
Does Air Koryo only fly from Pyongyang to several cities? Maybe they operate a few Domestic routes. If so, we should list them. Dagadt — Preceding undated comment added 07:10, 26 August 2007‎

KFA Travel
I believe KFA Travel tourists uses Air Koryo planes, because the website is the same. Is that true? If somebody already flow with Air Koryo maybe he knows what Domestic flights, at least for tourists, they operate. We should expand the section about Domestic fligths. Dagadt 17:03, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No I can answer my question :D. If you book a tour with the KFA you´ll fly with Air Koryo. Dagadt 18:00, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

New Destinations
If you look at the information box you´ll see that a new destinations is planned. can someone tell me which city they plan to serve and if it´s still unclear at least all cities which could be served in future.
 * Yer, and why is there EU cities, please explain. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 04:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Merger destinations into main article
Dosent make sense since there are quite a few places listed, officially however JS only serve three cities according to their schedules, if you go by that then yes it can be merged otherwise let the list remain as is. 116.71.4.238 (talk) 05:49, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

airkoryo.co.uk
77.98.177.54 has added two links into the article - one being for airkoryo.co.uk and the other being an email link. Refer this edit. The editor claims that this site is not associated with the Korean Friendship Association, however, I beg to differ. A whois search of the domain shows that it was registered on 28 July 2007, and is registered to a Daniel McDermott. The webmaster of the site is also a D. McDermott. And a Google search shows that Daniel McDermott is in fact the UK propaganda communication rep of the KFA. The editor also claims to be a travel agency in Britain, but isn't a travel agency supposed to have and show a licence? As such, they are a TICKETING AGENT only, they are NOT Air Koryo the airline themselves, and as such their link (particularly the email link) do not belong here. --Russavia 16:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, DAN is the guy from KFA, as I have googled it. Air Koryo doesn't have a website other than that. Whats wrong with helping people book tickets. --AirKoryo 16:36, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Nothing is wrong with helping people to book tickets, but one things that Wikipedia is not is a telephone book or travel guide. If your commercial link is allowed to stay, then why wouldn't Koryo Group be allowed to have a link too? After all, they help people book tickets too. Also, another point, JS does not fly to Moscow. --Russavia 16:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Really? Perhaps we don't fly scheduled on a regular basis, however we retail tickets from Moscow to Pyongyang on an agreement with Aeroflot. --77.98.177.54 16:56, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

The main link www.korea-dpr.com/airkoryo has been broken for 6 days. The government website does not give a replacement. Roedyg (talk) 18:49, 20 March 2012 (UTC) Roedy Green

Jet operations and EU ban by France
Under Jet operations, some statements might give misleading impressions about Air Koryo's safety record and service. "However, under current European Aviation Regulations, because of maintenance concerns, Air Koryo is forbidden from landing at any European airport under Convention rules specified in the article." "Skytrax rates Air Koryo as the worst commercial airline in the world, being the only to which it gives only a one star rating for its service.[5]" Everyone knows that Air Koryo operates very old planes but it also has a very good safety record (no fatal incidents under operations as Air Koryo and only one under its predecessor CAAK). The ban appears to have been originally instigated at the request of France (ironically, Air France has one of the poorest safety records - its Airbus fleet has a loss rate of 1.26 per million flights which is 400% higher than the international average of 0.3 losses per million and that's excluding the Concorde crash). From what I can gather, the reason that the ban was imposed was that Air Koryo elected not to cooperate with certain demands made by the French Aviation regulatory body. Does anyone have any meaningful evidence (actual facts) that Air Koryo was banned for some other reason (eg. incidents at airports due to safety lapses, for example). I don't think the article should allocate so much space to a ban that may or may not even be valid. The Skytrak rating and comment are also rather spurious in the context of this article. Air Koryo is a state-operated/state-funded airline that provides government as well as civilian transport and does so very safely. If it were a commercial western airline I would possibly take notice of such ratings, but in this case I couldn't really care less, the main thing I would want to know is the safety record of the airline. Aria613. Nov 27 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aria613 (talk • contribs) 00:54, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Further to the questiuon of the EU ban, I haven't been able to find any more evidence of why the ban was imposed, but some sites (see the one below) suggest that it may be largely politically-motivated. For example: http://www.ibtimes.com/air-koryo-north-koreas-strange-functioning-airline-757247 "The European Union has largely banned Air Koryo from landing in any airports under its jurisdiction due to what the European Civil Aviation Authority calls “serious safety deficiencies” and other similar issues. In March 2010, the EU said it would let Air Koryo operate two newer, Russian-made Tupolev Tu-204 jets into the Union, although that has not yet led to any links between Pyongyang and Western European capitals. Professor Sung-Yoon Lee, who teaches Korean affairs at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University in Massachusetts, said the EU is likely motivated more by politics than a genuine concern over Air Koryo's safety standards. In fact, the North Korean airline has enjoyed a relatively good history of safety, at least compared to some other Asian and African carriers that have been banned by EU bureaucrats. (Yet, North Korea has diplomatic relations with all but two EU members: France and Estonia)."

Also the following site which confirms the good safety record of Air Koryo. http://www.flightsafe.co.uk/public/kor.html

Aria613 Dec 12 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aria613 (talk • contribs) 00:30, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

CAAK HQ
says CAAK HQ was: "Head Office: Sunan International Airport, Yyongyang [sic], North Korea." WhisperToMe (talk) 07:21, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * "World Airline Directory." Flight International. 28 April 1979. p. 1366.

DPRK Interference
Judging by the glowing terms and poor English used at some points in the article, I believe that DPRK officials have been editing this page. Naturally, their view is a biased one. Any thoughts? 203.12.156.82 (talk) 03:06, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, and they've gone to Sunan International Airport‎ too... I've fixed it there, I'll try to fix this one tomorrow, there may be interesting material in what was posted. Mthibault (talk) 03:07, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Yep, my thoughts entirely. I'll be keeping my eye on the page from now on. Oh those naughty North Koreans and their terrible propaganda English. Plutonium27 (talk) 11:24, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've done my best, if someone can check if I removed all POV... Mthibault (talk) 15:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Any evidence for these claims???--Jack Upland (talk) 19:50, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

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