Talk:Airline seat

DVT stats removed
The unfounded insinuation that DVT may be due to the size/width/pitch of airliner seats by placing these stats directly after the stats on seating is being removed. Whoever put that there, please cite the relevant literature that DVT is caused by seat sizing before you try to put this part back in. Stats involving DVTs and PEs on airliners is not relevant to seat size unless you can actually demonstrate that this is the case. 162.119.128.143 (talk) 00:26, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Standing room section removed
This diff removed the section on standing room alternatives as "amusing trivia, but unecyclopedic". I disagree. The section was sourced from mainstream media, and has therefore in some sense been floated as an apparently serious idea. This was not some random April Fool's joke. That the idea of standing room did not gain wide acceptance (at least not yet) is true, but that the idea has been floated is clearly verifiable, and documented. I am uncertain as to what was "unencyclopedic" about that section. Sjakkalle (Check!)  06:07, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * My thoughts:
 * As I read the cite (including the two corrections), this is a silly non-story, based on a journalist's misunderstanding of the facts.
 * It doesn't really speak to the article topic, IMHO.
 * Any other opinions gratefully received. Happy to go with the consensus, naturally ... richi 10:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

"Standing room" air travel is a serious proposal, not a hoax
I recommend that you add a link to your current article on the "vertical seat". That is, "standing room", as proposed for use in passenger airplanes. Within that article, there are links to information that show that this concept is not merely a joke, nor a hoax. Nor is it a journalist's rush to get some attention by exaggerating a questionable proposal that has little practical value. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_seat This concept as also known as the "standing seat", or "perch seat". For aviation, it is possibly the most frugal economy class. It is analogous to increasing the capacity of railway passenger cars, by adding standing room in the aisles, with overhead bars or straps for handholds. However, the airline version is a bit safer, with addition of more secure waist belts and shoulder harnesses. 68.35.173.107 (talk) 14:05, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Source on airline seat rows
I found: WhisperToMe (talk) 00:02, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Snyder, Brett. "When row 21 is actually row 9: The method behind airline row numbers." CNN. May 2, 2011.

New name for Weber Aircraft
I heard that the new name for Weber Aircraft is Zodiac Seats US LLC. Is this true?--Jax 0677 (talk) 01:02, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Alternative meaning
Maybe this is an inappropriate article for such information but an "airline seat" in UK usage has the additional application of referring to any seats on public transport which are arranged as they are on an airliner i.e. one seat facing the back of the next. This term is most prevalent where an alternative might occur, such on trains or buses where there might be "facing" or "table" seats. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.67.148.244 (talk) 19:27, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

New Trends
American Airlines uses some rear facing seats in the business class cabin on its 787 aircraft which went into service in 2015.

American Airlines installed 10-across economy seating for most rows on its 777-300ER deliveries, and I believe they are retrofitting their 777-200 to use 10-across. The Main Cabin Extra section retains 9-across and has been changed to 3-3-3 from 2-5-2

Mike (talk) 18:08, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

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"J, Y, F"?
I notice reading over several airliner articles recently (namely Boeing 757, Boeing 767 and Boeing 777, and now MDD MD-90) I see that in the stats in the box at the bottom each page gives numbers for passenger capacity, saying "3 class: 12F/188Y" or "2-Class: 10F/110Y/200J" (or something like that), but it doesn't say anywhere on any of these pages what those letters stand for. I could see if F was First, but Y and J? On the MD-90 page it says: Seating, 2–class 	153-158 : 12J@36" + 141/146Y@31-33" Seating, 1–class 	163-172Y@29-33" If it won't explain on any of the pages what this information actually MEANS it ought to at least explain it here. One thing that annoys me very much is when people post information on Wikipedia but don't make it accessable except to people at a certain level of knowledge. Sometimes it's unavoidable without going into too much detail, but this seems easy enough. Maybe F Y and J are common industry terms but I have never heard of them and so I imagine that the "average" reader will also have no idea what that means. And there isn't much point in posting it if no-one understands it.

Idumea47b (talk) 06:05, 11 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Codes are listed on a fairly obscure article Fare basis code which I suspect the general reader would never find. MilborneOne (talk) 10:09, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Seat Width
I removed the following section because the article it cited is clearly biased, and the statistics within the article (which were pulled to this article) were misleading or flat out wrong:

"There has been a decided trend to increase economy seating density in the twenty-first century. In 1985 none of the main four US carriers offered a seat less than 19 inches wide. Since the beginning of the twentyfirst century until 2018 average seat width decreased from 18.5 to 17 inches, and sometimes as low as 16.1 inches."

The 707, 727, 737, and 757 fuselages are all the same width, and there's no way you could fit a 19" seat (measured armrest to armrest) with anything more than a 5 across configuration- and 6 across was standard in economy on these aircraft long before 1985 (and US airlines definitely flew these aircraft, in case that needed to be said). The 18.5" average seat width in 2000, if accurate at all, either includes first class or is based on a seat midpoint based measurement... either way, the 17" average of today (wherever that comes from) clearly didn't get that through the same methods.

The 17" average seat width is also inaccurate, unless it's rounded to the nearest whole number. The two most common aircraft in the air, the 737 and A320, offer armrest-to-armrest seat widths that are typically around 17.3" and 18", respectively. 17.0" is what you get with a 10-abreast 777, which is about as narrow as a normal economy seat gets (the 9-abreast A330s and 10-abreast A350s I'd describe as abnormal). There are also planes in the air with economy seats in the 18.5" range, many of which were introduced relatively recently (Airbus A220, Embraer E-Jet, and 9-abreast Boeing 777 are 3 examples). Based on my knowledge, I'd peg that average around 17.7" or so. If you were to measure midpoint to midpoint, I'd imagine the average economy seat width has been pretty flat for the last 30-40 years.

Anyhow, didn't mean to turn this into a rant of how poor that article is... but that's why I removed that section. :) --SchindHaughton (talk) 03:58, 26 January 2020 (UTC)


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