Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)/Archive 6

Orochimaru's Defection
I think I read somewhere about the reason Orochimaru left the akatsuki. It was something along the lines of "because Itachi is stronger than orochimaru, he cannot be the next host. Orochimaru left the Akatsuki to concentrate on getting Sasuke instead." those aren't the exact words, but it was something like that. By the way, it's spelled as "tsukiyomi", not "tsukuyomi" 80.192.53.79 02:40, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * We have that already and I have no clue how to spell that jutsu.Sam ov the blue sand 03:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It can actually be spelled either way, but the more common way would be "Tsukiyomi", as "tsuki" is the correct way of spelling "moon" in japanese. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.208.26.179 (talk) 22:09, 6 January 2007 (UTC).

The Tag
About the in universe tag is anyone doing anything about that I would help but I'm busy with User:Sam ov the blue sand/Ace Combat X Fictional Aircraft (can anyone help me with policies part) so I'm too busy and I havn't seen any changes in the article so I was wondering if anyone cared.Sam ov the blue sand 02:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * And can this be semi-protected because it is getting in the way of any fixes that can be done here.Sam ov the blue sand 03:08, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey someone took my advice, awesome.Sam ov the blue sand 04:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Akatsuki Leader

 * (conversation moved to Emokid200618's user talk)

The 4th Mask
The article currently reads: "Kakuzu's four extra hearts are normally attached to four masks sewn onto his back, each one resembling a demonic animal. The visible three resemble an eagle, a lion, and an ox. The fourth is damaged by Kakashi Hatake's Lightning Blade before being unveiled, so it's unclear what animal it is intended to resemble."

If what this says is true, then the 4th mask is most likely the face of a demonic man, as the other three masks are the symbols of the evangelists, the 4 apostles who wrote the 4 gospels in the new testament of most christian bibles - matthew(man) mark(lion) luke(ox) and john(eagle). If you look at Four_Evangelists It mentions this, and if you look at the picture on the right, you'll notice it corresponds to Kakuzu's back, and the destroyed heart would correspond to the human. Of course, that's assuming those other three animals are correct. Frankly, I can't tell what they're supposed to be. :/ --66.159.174.12 06:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It being a pig is actually more likely, given a flashback frame, but we can't guess at it. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:06, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * you cannot be serious.--Sphinxridd 18:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * From what I can tell, people on wikipedia generally don't like it when people make joke suggestions on the talk pages. So, to answer your question, yes, I am completely serious.  Just reading the naruto articles indicates that there is plenty of mythology hidden in bits and pieces in the story, I don't see what it is about this that makes you think I'm joking. Three of the four masks are an ox, eagle, and lion, three of the four evangelistic symbols are an ox, eagle, and lion. The remaining evagelistic symbol is that of a man, who occupies the same space on the aformentioned picture, as the position of the destroyed mask on kakuzu's back.--66.159.136.184 19:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Be that as it may, it's still speculation and as such, probably not suitable for the page. Retlor 15:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Ehrr? ... Let me get ths straight, despite the fact that everything in Naruto, up to date, has obviously been inspired by Japanese culture, you believe that Kakuzu is inspired by Chritiany? ... Had you put up this theory 2 weeks ago, I would robably had called you "blockhead", or something amongst those lines, and then lived on with my life like nothings ever happened... As it is now, I'm starting to believe that Hidan is voodoo inspired, and that would only make it "natural" if Kakuzu was evangelic inspired... Congratulations to an interesting theory, until proven correct, we must assume that it is false. 81.224.28.214 20:48, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhaps not false, but simply unproven? 207.236.93.210 23:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Then how about this: the masks comes from the hand seals. I've heard that the Tiger seal is used with fire elements techniques, and Tiger and Lion are relatives, and there is seal for Brid and Ox that has not been given a element but they could fit in. Worth considering? Jacce 08:41, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protection
I requested that this page be semi-protected. I am sorry I didn't discuss it here first. It's just that I was tired of seeing vanalism and speculations. Sorry again for not bringing it up. Was it a good move? -- Tohru  Honda Sign here! 01:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I think it's a great idea, honestly. Having to revert the speculation can be a pain sometimes. However, I foresee a bunch of new registrations whose sole purpose is to reinsert such speculation into the article. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 01:38, 10 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, but remember: They'll have to wait four days to do it, being newly registered and all ;). -- Tohru  Honda Sign here! 02:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh if you only watched the village pump. You'd be surprised how persistent some vandals are. That said, such persistence isn't common here. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:34, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * There was vandalism on this page?--Emokid200618 02:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Please don't ask questions you can answer yourself. You're on the page. Of course there was vanadalism. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:58, 10 January 2007 (UTC)


 * What are you talking about? I've never edited the article page, and I can't answer it myself just because I'm on the page because I don't know what's going on.--Emokid200618 21:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)


 * You can read the edit history same as we can. It's a simple task to click two tabs. There's no need to ask us when you can easily figure it out yourself. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't check the history, it takes too long and it's just easier to ask.--Emokid200618 22:09, 10 January 2007 (UTC)


 * So you'd rather give us a hard time to look it up for you than do it yourself? That sounds pretty lazy. Trying to be as civil as I can here, so no offense on that. -- Tohru  Honda Sign here! 23:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

If someone's willing to wait 4 days to add idiotic speculation, they're probably also reasonable enough that we can show them why they're wrong. And if not, we can just 3RR them to hell. --tjstrf talk 02:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not lazy, I get all my homework in on time to my teachers, and I do work around the house and all that stuff.--67.174.128.249 21:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Good for you, I'm lazy as hell that's why I'm here all the time and playing Resistance 24/7 and waiting until the last minute to do my homework, speaking of which I've got a project due tommorow and 3 other tests to study including... spelling (Oh my god).Sam ov the blue sand 21:50, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * So, seeing the history should be no more difficult or life-threatening than Homework or chores. :) -- Tohru  Honda Sign here! 00:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Yea you would think that Tohru but--Emokid200618 01:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC) I don't want to check the history.

what happened to the members section of the article
why is the article all screwed up where the members are because all i can see is a table with boxes and it sucks cause its very confusing i hope this is just random violation because i dont want it to stay like thisZetsuie 18:59, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

yay its fixed thank god and who ever fixed i love youZetsuie 19:09, 10 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yep that would be vandalism, happens all the time.Sam ov the blue sand 00:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Deidara's Seiyuu...
I added it with a verificational link, but it got removed. Can you not trust ANN as a proper source?

It even says it here on the page: and here:

Wasabi Mizuta is Deidara's seiyuu.. RedEyesMetal 17:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * ANN is never a "proper" source as content like that is added in by users. I remember Mizuta being Deidara's seiyuu originated with a post on 2ch, but nothing's been confirmed. As of now, it's just a rumor. The Splendiferous Gegiford 19:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Itachi Uchiha? Kabuto Yakushi? What?
It's only a little annoyance to me, but why are names changed to the American style? This is anime originates in Japan, not American, and as such they should be in the Japanese style; family name first and then the given name. —Xxbakasan


 * We're not in Japan, so we use English order. Accept it. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * If we're not in Japan, then we shouldn't even have members like Sasori and Tobi involved on pages such as this. Accept it. Xxbakasan


 * Typical copycat behavior. We've already discussed the use of Western over Japanese ordering. Western won out. It's not changing now, so complaining here isn't going to help. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * What? It's a completely valid argument. If you're saying that we're not in Japan, then we shouldn't even have information on things that haven't been shown in America on here, right? Ignoring my argument is just a way of admitting defeat. Who's complaining? I'm suggesting, anyways. - Xxbakasan


 * No its not, you're trying to argue that we shouldn't include facts because we don't follow a naming convention. There's no logic in that. We use English conventions when speaking of characters, simple as that. Japanese name order only confuses casual viewers. We've gone over this time and again. It's simply not going to change. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Then why does it state in the rules that we should be using the original Japanese style for names? -- Xxbakasan


 * It doesn't. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:39, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It says use Japanese naming order for names from before the Meiji era. Baka, please get the facts before making a case against someone?—ウルタプ 02:48, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * For that argument to work you would need to have direct evidence that the series took place before 1868 and since a timeframe is not stated in the show there is no evidence to suppprt it. That argument was delt with some time ago. Also calling someone stupid could be considered a personal attack and is not advisied especially when when the other person did have the facts correct. --70.48.174.195 03:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

As annoying as his arguments are, I have to agree with Someguy on this one.--Emokid200618 13:58, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Ov vey. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 19:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't feel bad about it, just accept it... When I first came back after the name changes, I too felt annoyed, disgusted, and crancy... I still do to be honest, but as this is an encyclopedia, it must go home with the majority of the general public, even at the expence of it being generally wrong... Personally, I still don't fully understand this... It is true that this is an English article, but that doesn't nesseserly mean that the majority of those who watch/read Naruto and/or this article, watch/read the westernized version of the show, which, in turn, possibly creates even more confusion and frustration than it would do if the rules weren't properly followed. 217.208.27.4 21:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I can speak Japanese and my native language is english. My japanese friends who are bilingual also inherently know this. When we are speaking in english, like I am now, I would say first name then last name. If I were to go to japanese I would say last name then first name. Basically the rule goes just as that old saying: When in rome.... Dmxhell666 16:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

it doesnt have anything to do with living in japan or not, this is the english wikipedia, not the usa wikipedia. but because this is the ENGLISH wikipedia, we should stick with the ENGLISH names. and because this isint a country site but a language site, there is no probleme with talking about the stuff that hasnt happened in english contries yet because its not a mather of countries.Letuce 23:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Blood Vessels
I don't know if this has been touched on before and until we see a databook or anime episode it will be hard to prove, but isn't it possible that Kakuzu's threads aren't threads but instead blood vessels. This would make sense as he keeps extra hearts around. Rayfire65.222.216.227 18:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I've pointed out that the "threads" might've been chakra controlled blood (I don't think it's entire blood vessels since Kukuzu deattached his right hand and made it move on it's own), but that he used multiple hearts to charge/animate his blood with was something that I couldn't have immagined in my wildest dreams. 217.208.27.4 23:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I have found out what the leader of akatsuki and unnamed person looks like posibly
It all started when i was emailing my friend and i was showing her some pictures when i found THIS: http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l156/True_Obito/Akatsuki___Whats_left_to_see.jpg

I'm not sure if it's the real deal but it just fits yeah!!!

-from, a naruto fan —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.87.217.34 (talk) 18:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC).
 * That's fanart; it's not at all official. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 19:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * My mom could look at that, not knowing about the subject, and say it fanart and on top of that bad fanart. Sam ov the blue sand 23:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Definite fanart. The leader hasn't even been revealed in the manga yet. --Itachi Uchiha13 21:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Very nice picture. It's almost worth the pages of useless conversation above. (almost…) –Gunslinger47 11:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * What threw me off when the pic was loading was that it was in color. I knew it was fanart before it finished loading right there. As per Ginslinger, it is pretty fanart. -- Tohru Honda13 Talk•Sign here 18:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I posted that picture on the "Akatsuki Leader" discussion, it's fanart... The best fan art picture of the AL I've seen uptil now, but fanart none the less. 217.208.27.4 23:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

That person could be the leader, but must be proved by the manga, there is no evidance that it could be him except we know that the leader had his nose pierced like that and just the blacked out pictures of him have the same hair style, also the person next to him, people rumor that, that is Rin unles anyone knows what happened to Rin     Who is he 02:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... the picture of that blue-haired girl is in the article as an Unnamed member. ~TinselTunes

What happened to Hidan exactly?
The title speaks for itself. Sam ov the blue sand 17:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Kind of up in the air at the moment. Personally I'm ready to accept that he's dead and gone, as this is very different from the Kakuzu moment at the end of 333, but as long as there are still doubts it's probably best to wait until the next chapter before editing anything into the article. The Splendiferous Gegiford 17:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I'm waiting for him to die or to buried in some hole for the rest of eternity so I can write an article on him. Sam ov the blue sand 17:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 338 kind of implied that Shikamaru managed to kill him, with Asuma's spirit appearing and passing his Will of Fire onto him. Otherwise they wouldn't have made it so dramatic, but we should still wait for confirmation, which is why I put a (?) in his status. Still don't like the idea of Shikamaru being able to solo an Akatsuki. XtrEEmMaShEEn3k2 04:53, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * (Personally I love the idea, but I'm not going to get into that) Snapper2, what you said about a corpse isn't entirely reasonable as it's likely his body was blown completely apart. If there's no update on Hidan's condition in the next chapter, can it be safe to assume he is dead/permanently immobile? The Splendiferous Gegiford 05:53, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * If Shikamaru returns alive and confident that he succeeded, then we'll proclaim him as dead. We have to wait for somenoe to say that he's a goner. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 06:03, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Aw, Someguy beat me again. When I said carcass, that was just me trying to fancily say "dead Hidan". To echo Someguy (since I typed this already), until someone says he's dead, that he can no longer be in Akatsuki, or his brain is seen oozing out his ears, he's still active. As for when to declare him this and that, it would depend on what we find out and when. If this week's chapter is dedicated solely to the fight with Kakuzu (ie. no appearances of Shikamaru and the like or general updates), then we can't really jump to conclusions. So we should just wait until we find out something more about his fate.
 * And because I like to share stupid ideas, and because I suspect Hidan will survive in some way, I think it would be hilarious if Hidan's head survived and Shikamaru kept it in a cage somewhere to torture whenever he was annoyed with something. Well, I guess the hilarity wouldn't be as great if it came to be true, as then it would seem predictable... I'm rambling aren't I? ~SnapperTo 06:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that's ok. Hmm, Ch-ch-ch-chia pet? No, Hi-hi-hi-Hidan head. Give it water and watch it spew religious rhetoric and obscenities at you all day and night. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 06:46, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * So Shikamaru now has Asuma's cigarette's, Asuma's knives, Asuma's will, Asuma's team, and killed Asuma's enemy... how long 'til he hooks up with Asuma's girlfriend? --tjstrf talk 07:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * "Hey baby, need some comforting?" Somehow, I think the age gap will stifle that. Still funny, though. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:18, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Age gap? I don't see any age gap... --tjstrf talk 07:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to touch that one. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Not saying it'll happen, just saying it goes in the "More likely than the Akatsuki Leader being the 4th Hokage" category. If nothing else, I'm hoping a couple dojin will pick up the pairing. OK, I'm done using Wikipedia as my sleep-deprived chat forum now... --tjstrf talk 07:53, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ugh, I´m quite sure there already ARE a lot of doujins about that. Shika is a fangirl favorite after all...for some reason. ~ Felcis 23:44, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * This all is the very definition of speculation, but we can be pretty sure on a few details. For one, Shikamaru will have planned for the possibility of Hidan surviving the blast.  Indeed, it is quite likely given what we've seen thusfar. This is where Shikamaru's "grave" enters the picture.  Hidan's giblets are going to be dropped deep into the ground and buried for eternity, may they be living or not.  That's the plan, at least. –Gunslinger47 15:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Man I leave for half a day and you guys throw a party without me and Someguy made some jokes, but about the age difference I don't see one (ha and you know it's true). Sam ov the blue sand 22:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Orochimaru and Kabuto? Ick. (Besides, we know he's after Sasuke...) --tjstrf talk 22:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, Hidan's alive. Confirmed in spoilers. He's in pieces and buried under tons of rubble, but alive regardless. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:42, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * So for the stauos should it be said that he's in a "deep dark hole in the Nara woods" and that's the closest thing he'll ever get to hell. Sam ov the blue sand 23:24, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, "captive" or "imprisoned" should do it. Details can be descriped in the text. ~ Felcis 23:44, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I am not masochistic enough to try it, but go ahead and type "orokabu" into an image search (such as Google's or DeviantART's). I bet you'll get some matches. –Gunslinger47 01:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Argh, you evil, evil man, you. My common sense was overpowered by curiosity. Now that's stuck in my head. I hope you're happy. *finger wag* – Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah du that's f***ing wrong in so many ways and now I've got it stuck in my head too. I do think my descripsion is a good one though. Sam ov the blue sand 03:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I hate you Gunslinger...and my curiosity...I wonder if there are already some sick fanfics with Kakuzu (high age AND tentacle-like things...). ~ Felcis 12:03, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * So tommorrow or Friday when this info has been confirmed can I have the honor of writing an article on Hidan? Sam ov the blue sand 03:26, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Since there has been so mutch "alive and death" talk about Hidan, why no just say "Status: Unknow" until we know more? Jacce 16:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * According to the latest spoilers, his body is in pieces but his head is still alive. We'll have to wait and see what else happens to him. The Splendiferous Gegiford 16:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * If Hidan is just left like that, wouldn't it be more appropriate to name his status as "inactive" or "incapacitated"? He obviously is immortal, so to label him as "deceased" seems kinda wrong unless he really IS dead.217.208.25.160 22:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * "Effectively deceased." Somewhat uniform, accurate, mysterious while not a great spoiler.  This is my vote. –Gunslinger47 02:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Dismembered and buried alive would be more accurate. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * ...But not quite the kind of thing you would stick in the line...I am partial toward "incapacitated". Short, sweet, and effective. Treima 03:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Buried in a deep, dark, pit in the Nara woods. and how about that article? Everyone okay with that? Sam ov the blue sand 04:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think he needs an article, as there's really nothing known about him prior to his fight with Yugito. However, it really just comes down to how much you can write about him. And by "how much", I mean enough to surpass Tenten in length. And by "write", I mean not just copying and pasting what is currently in this article. I can't see this happening without relying heavily on plot synopsis, but maybe someone will surprise me. ~SnapperTo 04:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey Snapper this wouldn't be my first time writing an article I've made several and have had only one get deleted, so I think I can handle it. Sam ov the blue sand 05:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * You being able to make an article isn't the problem. The necessity of having it is. Hidan's page, like Sasori's (I still do not see it as necessary, nor Chiyo for that matter), would be mostly fluff. Fool didn't last very long and the only reason his section is as long as it is now is because the man has some annoyingly complicated powers. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:03, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I mean no offense to you Sam, but I was unimpressed with your efforts in lengthening the Sasori article. Maybe you've done other articles, and maybe they're of higher quality than what you did for Sasori; I don't know. If, however, you were to do for Hidan what you did for Sasori, I'd imagine I'd redirect it, as Hidan's section isn't nearly as long as Sasori's was. ~SnapperTo 05:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm starting a new topic to disscuss this. Sam ov the blue sand 16:58, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Did the members change during the two and a half years?
I am asking this question because on almost each of the members' profiles it said that their first cameos were in chapter 238. We know that Itachi, Kisame, Zetsu, Sarori and the leader were all members before the timeskip, but what about the others? Hidan said that he was the second newest member, so he might have joined during the timeskip. So I think we should remove the info about how some of the members' first cameo was in chapter 238. Omimon January 21 2007


 * I doubt it. Pretty much all of the members can be matched to the panel in 238. The only real difference is that Hidan and Kakuzu got redesigns (Kakuzu was made shorter and Hidan got a different hairstyle). And I'm pretty sure that was Hidan because when Hidan had a little cameo in chapter 250-something complaining about not being able to find his Bijuu he had a different hairstyle. The Splendiferous Gegiford 02:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that we are all asumming that they were all members before the timeskip. I mean isn't wikipedia all about 100% solid prove, I am just saying that the shadow figures in chapter 238 just isn't good enough prove for me. Omimon January 22 2007


 * I'm still in favor of dropping the cameo bullet all together, which would solve this particular problem. ~SnapperTo 02:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Even taking out the cameo thing, the shadows would still count as their first appearence. The Splendiferous Gegiford 21:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I personally consider the first time they did anything of significance to be their "first appearance", but that's just me. ~SnapperTo 22:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I think we should take out the cameo thing too. Omimon January 22 2007


 * There's no reason to assume their membership has changed at all over the last few years, apart from the Tobi/Sasori switch. Until otherwise mentioned, the discrepancies in appearance can be attributed to an artist fluke. They still have a cameo appearance. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, if we look at the shadow images of them during their first cameo, it would appear as if Kakuzu could've had another partner by then (that big, giant like guy)... This is further implied by the fact that Hidan said that he was, next to Tobi, the newest member of Akatsuki and the fact that Kakuzu said that he had tendencies of killing his partners, so the idea of Hidan joining Akatsuki during the time-skip really aren't that farfetched. 217.208.25.160 15:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

So do we take out the cameo thing or not? Omimon January 24 2007

Hidan was not there before the timeskip. The leader mentions he is new at the same time he reveals to Hidan and Obito akatsuki's objective. Furthermore, the scythe, Hidan's trademark, is absent in the original akatsuki meeting scene. Kakuzu also mentions having killed the previous member(s) he was partnered with.


 * One, he does not give a timeframe. Two, shadows don't give specific details. Three, when you collect such facts, make sure you quote them properly. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:03, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * That the scythe is absent is debatable. Looking to the rear, you can see a reclined member with four spikes coming from his head region.  Five points are seen in the same scene of the anime, with the two outside ones seeming to be from the robe's collar.  For all we know, the middle three spikes could be attributed to Hidan's scythe.  As Someguy0830 says, the shadows don't give specific details, so we can't be sure. –Gunslinger47 01:53, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually I am positive that the person Gunslinger is talking about is Sarori. The four "spikes" is actually the feathers on Sarori's puppet shell. Also, we need to keep in mind that translations from manga sites arn't always perfect and we shouldn't quote them. Omimon 7 February 2007


 * A detail like "within the last year" is not something scant groups miss. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:39, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Kakuzus combined masks
Just want to know: what happend when Kakuzu combined his masks. The text clearly stats that something like that happand. Current text: "These bodies can merge together to allow combination elemental attacks to be used." Jacce 08:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, someone should add a picture of his merged form. 217.208.25.160 15:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * We already have two. I believe that is sufficient. –Gunslinger47 19:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * But not one with his mask combind forces. If it dosen't fit in with the artikel you can put it in the list of Ninjutsu.Jacce 16:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Three pictures simply muddles the section. It's not of utmost importance in any case. And it can't be put in the list of Ninjutsu because the combination attacks aren't named. 69.224.152.255 08:44, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

A real article for Hidan

 * (conversation moved to Talk:Hidan (Naruto))

Hidan's sealing...
now that hidan is well sealed in the earth, it's important to tell that the akatsuki can't reinforce other member to their clan because it's neccessary to have the ring of the member who died in order to join the team. (just like in sasori's death when tobi took his ring and reaveled what is needed to join the crew- another important detail) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.250.201.231 (talk) 16:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC).


 * Maybe they could use a doton technique and fetch the ring? I seriously don't believe they'll jut leave Hidan's ring in the dirt where it is. 217.208.25.182 23:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, have you ever heard of a shovel? - !Malomeat 00:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Just a few thoughts If someone like Zetsu could reach Hidan from underground, won't he be able to save Hidan (in pieces, but still alive)? That means if they succeed in finding Hidan, they won't need to replace him, unless they only want the ring and have given up on Hidan. I wonder what would happen if Zetsu just took the ring and then tried to eat him...would that eventually trigger the voodoo jutsu and kill Zetsu as well (hehe, just an amusing thought)? focoma 08:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Even if Zetsu consumed Hidan's remains, it would be impossible for Hidan to trigger the Curse Jutsu. He needs to consume blood and make the icon to stand in, and stand in it while taking damge for anything to happen.  Last I saw, Hidan didn't have a leg to stand on, as it were.  --XEAGO Away from home...


 * Hidan can't be reached very easily, he's not just 6 feet under, he's been buried in a pit so deep, it would take anyone a long time to reach him, and he's buried in the Nara family grounds; violating that area would be asking for a war, something Akatsuki avoids (for now). As for Huidan's forehead protecter, I can see why people think it looks like the Rain village, though it also looks like the grass village. It looks like the two mixed together. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.34.177.22 (talk) 17:42, 4 February 2007 (UTC).


 * You can see other people form hidans Village right before the start of the Second exam of the Chuuin Slecetion (anime only i think) and if Zetsu is able to get hidan they wont be able to put him back together because remeber when hidans head got cut off kakuzu had to sew it back on, i think they would rather go after just the ring to sense now his weakness is exposed. <--- comment by Skyblaze 8:24pm EST


 * Is it possible that the ring was destroyed when Hidan blew up? (ReshenKusaga 00:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC))

forehead protector
since this things protected now can someone plz put hidan's village at the section near the top, b4 it was protected i put in hidans section but didnt look elsewhere —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.96.211.148 (talk) 20:29, 28 January 2007 (UTC).
 * What do we know of his village other than that its symbol looks like three forward-slashes? / / / –Gunslinger47
 * That's it, his headband shows no symbol that we know. People seem to think its the hidden village of rain, because there are vague similarities, but we really don't know where he comes from. Retlor 00:57, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * personally, i think it slightly resembles the hidden grass village at first glance, but when you really look at it you realize it cant beAncientanubis 00:45, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * There are some people in the chuuin exam with the same headband (anime only i believe) hes right behind Skikamaru when hes look at the consent form i think< Skyblaze 1:11PM EST

Some Ideas
Just throwing this out, but...


 * More specific references from the anime and Datebooks
 * Village symbols next to names
 * Small pictures for Orochimaru ,Kabuto, and Sasori
 * More explanatory pictures in the Overview section.

- !Malomeat 21:32, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * #1 we could do that
 * #2 I don't think we could do that
 * #3 most Wiki articles like this one don't have pictures next to the character if they already have their own article.
 * #4 too many pitures will make the article look too clustered. Sam ov the blue sand 00:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Itachi's ninjutsu
In the last paragraph of the Itachi section, one sentence reads "The few normal ninjutsu he uses aren't necessarily that powerful, but Itachi is able to use them so quickly that even another Sharingan user has trouble following the movements." While the second part of that seems true, can a statement like "The few normal ninjutsu he uses aren't necessarily that powerful" really be made? I would recommend rewriting that statement to eliminate anything about how powerful his ninjutsu are, and simply make it a reference to the speed at which he performs his techniques. 128.2.148.25 20:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * How about calling them "basic" rather than "not necessarily that powerful"? –Gunslinger47 20:57, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Kisame in a website?
Why is Kisame in truth.com in the downloads section;when I tried to download it, it gave me random letters.Expo377 06:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but this doesn't make any sense. You'll need to explain yourself more clearly.  I believe you might be confused. –Gunslinger47 06:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh I'm sorry, I meant thetruth.com, not truth; go to the website, click "all infections," then click "main headlines," for some reason, Kisame is there...Why?Expo377 07:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It's part of TheTruth.com's viral marketing scheme. I'm not sure what it has to do with Kisame because, as you say, the PDF download appears to be corrupted.  I doubt that it'd be worth noting in this article, however. –Gunslinger47 07:23, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

It's not there anymore. I guess I missed it. --09bmarcu 18:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Removing hidans description and picture
bad idea. im just a random observer, but it makes the article silly. why have pictures of descriptions for everyone else but no image for hidan and a short description? Bring back Hidan's original section and just keep the main article: link.


 * I disagree. Hidan's section seems fine to me because he has his own article. The same with Sasori. Treima 02:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I think a picture would be nice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.56.224.66 (talk) 03:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC).


 * Then all of the other Akatsuki members should have seperate pages, especially Itachi (he has a very big part to play in the show). On that note, don't you think you should write a summery of what Itachi has done during the episodes? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.229.170.30 (talk) 11:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC).


 * Only when we get to that point will we write the plot and only when the members get enough info (like Hidan and Sasori) will they be considered for an article of their own and Itachi simply hasn't done enough to be considered for an article of his own. And every other article like this one does what we do with the members with articles of their own. Sam ov the blue sand 22:17, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Kakuzu's death
Kakuzu just got destoryed by naruto's jutsu. you should re-edit his profile because he's dead now —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.250.174.140 (talk) 13:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC).
 * Oh? Did you check his pulse?  On all of his hearts? :-D –Gunslinger47 14:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The spoiler for the next chapter says something along the lins of "Their fight with Akatsuki over, everyone returns home." That seems pretty certain to me. Although to be safe we should have his status as ??? or possibly dead. Kage-Lupus 17:15, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * When we get to that piont then the edit will be made. Sam ov the blue sand 22:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * He cut em' all out, he's dead, end of story. SoundPound500000

Hidan a Former Member
Now that Shikamaru took care of Hidan shouldn't he be listed under former members? I know that he's still alive but he's being guarded by the Nara clan so at least for now he's out of action.--Emokid200618 22:01, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Former is only for those permanently or willingly cut from the ranks. Hidan's condition is by no means one that can't be overcome. All it would take is a shovel. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Wait a second... Does that mean, that when Naruto is finnished, all of the members will (probably) be listed under the "former members" section? ... I guess we'll just have to focus on that matter when that time comes, eh? 217.208.25.18 02:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The useful fact about that is when every member is either dead or the organization scattered to the wind, we can smash the sections together into a single section. Still, that's an issue for then, not now. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * If Hidan isn't out of the hole by the end of the arc, can we go ahead and move him to former? Besides, I don't think a shovel is going to work on a bunch of boulders. The Splendiferous Gegiford 02:47, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I was being slightly sarcastic about that, but sure. If they don't bother to dig him up, we'll stick him in former. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:49, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think they'll dig him up. If they do, they'll probably just try to find his ring. And probably all of the members will be dead when Naruto is finish (there goes 2 of my favorite characters). But what if only 1 member is left? Suppose Sasuke doesn't kill Itachi? He decides he's not worth killing? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.229.190.227 (talk) 12:38, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

Alright, I'm good with waiting until the end of the arc to put him under the former members section, but I doubt that they will dig him up, but there's no way to be sure, at least until Kakuzu is killed in some way since only he can reconnect Hidan.--Emokid200618 01:32, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * There's still the issue of the ring. The Akatsuki do not replace members unless they can get the ring back, which makes them pretty motivated. –Gunslinger47 01:49, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * But if Kakuzu is dead then there will be no piont in having an H.H. (Hidan Head) and they will replace him. Sam ov the blue sand 04:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah. What you said. If Kakuzu is dead, Hidan will stay without a head (which is as good as dead). They will only care about the ring. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.229.190.227 (talk) 12:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC).


 * Well it's the end of the arc. So I guess Hidan should be put under the former members section. Dasherman 02:12, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I think we can expect an appearance from Zetsu, maybe he'll rescue Hidan or eat his head and see if his immortality can withstand his digestive juices ... Annoymous X

Alright guys it's the end of the arc so who wants to put Hidan under former members now?--Emokid200618 01:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Nobody. He's still in possession of his ring and he has yet to defect, meaning he's still a member. ~SnapperTo 01:46, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Like Someguy said, he isn't a former member until he leaves, dies, or is forcibly removed. I don't think we've seen the last of him, because at the least the leader will be sending Zetsu out to get the ring back (or Hidan's pieces). Hell, his head might well dig itself out of the pit (those that think it isn't possible, neither is Naruto digging a tunnel large enough for himself to crawl through and uppercut Neji in less than three minutes). We know that he is immortal, so he isn't dead. Be patient. Treima 01:56, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * But that's your own speculation. There is a big difference between what Naruto did and a head digging itself out of tons of solid rock. Even Kishimoto probably wouldn't go there. While applying physics to a fantasy setting is a losing proposition, Hidan's head and body parts should have been crushed by the rock, making him no more than mush now. The Leader should comment on what happened to Kakuzu and Hidan very soon, giving us a definite word on the fate of Hidan. Dasherman 07:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes fanasty to phisics... oh wait they can jump 20 feet in the air! ^_^ Sam ov the blue sand 01:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

1st Episode apperance
i appologise if this sounds stupid but im going to ask anyway, do you think it should say that their first episode appearance was when they were all silhouette, i mean i understand this is colaborated info from both the manga and the anime, but if we mention that they all basically appeared in episode 135, should we at least not mention that it was as a silhouette

anyway that was just what i was thinking

if you need clarification or what not ask me and i'll go into a bit more detail Ancientanubis 23:24, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * This has already been accounted for. "First appearance" does not include silhouetted appearances.  A separate field, "first cameo", contains that information instead. –Gunslinger47 03:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * However, in Naruto shippuden episode 2 ( I think)you could say sasori and diedara had and apperance. Someone could also get new pics from there —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.230.196.213 (talk) 13:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC).

I know it's a touchy subject.
But can I go ahead and make a Kakuzu article? Sam ov the blue sand 01:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Again with this? — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * *laughing* yes I know, but I've decided that if there's enough information on a member and he is dead/unreplaced then I should ask to make an article on that member. Sam ov the blue sand 01:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Because you will not stop until you get the chance, I've done it for you. You really need to stop fixating on this type of thing. I really don't think I should have bothered. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Well then you didn't have to. I don't know why you didn't let me do it or at least have the decency to tell me that were going to do it yourself. Sam ov the blue sand  05:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I did it because you never give up on this. You continue asking and arguing 'till we give in. It just wastes time. It was faster for me to just get it out of the way. You can still add to it, and plenty of other articles could use attention. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:23, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Well I perfer to make articles rather than add to them it makes me feel that I'm adding something important to Wikipedia, and you're really good at adding and reverting while I perfer making new articles. And I don't see anything wrong with that. Sam ov the blue sand  05:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I thought it was something like that. I hate making new articles. It's irritating. It makes one more thing that has to be linked or one more link that needs correcting. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I really don't like adding/reverting, I know it's an important thing to do, but I don't get what I'm looking for when I revert some vandal or make a spelling correction. Sam ov the blue sand 05:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * pardon my French, but stop with all the bitching and moaning, first off i agree with BOTH of you, yes re-linking is a pain in the ass(thats what copying and pasting the edit page into a word processor and using the find/replace all is for), and yes there should have been a new page because there is a lot of information. I mean, if we had 10 bio's for all the akatsuki members as long as the one for Kakuzu is now, then this page would be WAY TOO LONG(and thats not even including Orochimaru, Sasori and Kabuto's articles).  PERSONALLY i think that as we learn more about akatsuki through the manga/anime this page its self should turn into more of a medium por-say in order to find basic information on ALL the members of akatsuki AND links to main pages about them so that we/who ever my be able to learn more about him
 * Someguy, i apologize if i offend ya in anyway as all this bickering was just annoying me and i just had to say something
 * Sam blue sand, i also apologize if i offended you in any way/shape or form
 * Ancientanubis 22:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Pardon my Russian, but who the hell are you? That was a rather friendly conversation that you just ruined. Sam ov the blue sand 04:48, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * im a fellow editor who, although i dont talk in here very offen but i always keep up to date on what people are talking about in here, and also it didnt sound like that friendly of a conversation so i thought i'd do the honors of mediating, i mean the talk pages are for voicing your opinions on the article so thats what im doin, i mean in a sense were all equals here, i mean its not like you or someone else who talks on here owns the pageAncientanubis 05:06, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I know who you are, what I meant was who are you to ruin one of the few nice conversations that happen between Someguy and I. And how did that conversation look uncivil to you? Sam ov the blue sand 05:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * well to be completely honest ya seemed to be arguing so i thought i'd try to help settle the argument... lol, guess im not too good at doin that:P, my apologies thoughAncientanubis 07:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Deidara anime pic?
well i was wondering, would the pic of Deidara it shows in the hurricane chronicles theme song work. i mean it show Deidara's whole face. Allen Walker 20:09, 16 February


 * Not a very good one. Wait a week. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, that pic is sorta at an angle. Sam ov the blue sand 04:50, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Isn't there a shot of Deidara holding up his hair showing his thingy on his left eye (pardon my French) in one of the episodes? i think hes taking pictures of Sunagakure or something. Just a suggestion. KKIPPES 05:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

And the Vandals come marching right in.
This is bull, at the very second the lock goes down the vandals take their shot at the article. I know this is normal for articles but I think this amount of vandalism in such a short time is a bit over excessive. Sam ov the blue sand 05:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * lets just petition to get them blocked:P although about the tobi/obito thing i did come across that same thought earlier today..... although the only problem is that obito lost his right eye and thats where the hole for tobi's eye is, although that could be a symbol of somethin...LOL, i'm rambelin now.... Ancientanubis 07:39, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Meh, IP blocks won't work normally. Most vandals just show up one day and say "k im gonna rite somethin lol" and then leave, so blocking them would be pretty pointless. Most blocks are only 24 hours or so anyway. It'd be nice if we could get this article permanently semi-protected, but I don't think they'll do that. The Splendiferous Gegiford 07:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Incorrect.  Tobi's eyehole fits over his right eye. –Gunslinger47 10:45, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ugh. I just had to edit the "Unnamed member". Somebody thought it would be cute to make their personal idea about who s/he is public knowledge.Ikani87 19:06, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * thats what i said gunslinger, it was his right eye:PAncientanubis 05:56, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Was there this much vandalism before the semi-protection? Ansalo 08:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC)Ansalo


 * Yes. Sam ov the blue sand 18:35, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * More or less. It's only going to increase now that the anime's back on canon material, though. The Splendiferous Gegiford 18:37, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You mean the manga material. It's never been explicitly said that the manga is canon. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 18:54, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * ...okay, what? If the manga isn't canon then what is? The Splendiferous Gegiford 01:46, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * NeoChaos was surely joking, wasn't he? I'm not very good with online sarcasm. Retlor 03:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm serious. Where's some sources that establish that the manga is canon? All I've seen to justify the manga being canon are fan assumptions that since it's the first media published, it must be the canonical one. Unless there's an interview or other official media that establishes the manga is canon, I don't see it as such. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 04:07, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Turning the statement around might be more true to your intention. "It's never been explicitly said that the anime filler is not canon." –Gunslinger47 04:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I mean. The filler may be horrible, yes, but it is premature to declare it (or the anime's differences in presenting events for that matter) "not canon", when it hasn't been officially declared as such. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 04:18, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That I can agree with. The filler episodes have not been declared uncanonical and we must therefore regard them as part of the established canon until Kishimoto, or someone speaking for him, tells us otherwise. Retlor 06:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

@ people who argue which eye obito lost : it doesnt matter, he gave one eye to kakashi and got the other one smashed by a rock, so technicaly he lost BOTH eyes. and if someone were to give his eye back, like Kakuzu for example, he could have given him BOTH eyes back Letuce 23:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Itachi going blind?
Is this a fact mentioned in the manga or is it just some BS theory? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Indianhitman (talk • contribs) 18:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC).
 * Kakashi asks him how far his eyesight has deteriorated. The context makes it pretty clear that it refers to his Mangekyo Sharingan. Retlor 19:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, earlier in the manga, Kisame comments that MS is dangerous for his eyes.Ikani87 19:14, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * In the episode where Itachi and Kisame fight Asuma and Kurenai Kisame comments that using the MS too much would be bad for his eyes. Some peope think that he was reffering to Itachi's chakra but it is actually that since I"tachi never turns off his sharingan that soon he would eventually lose his sight. Later in the manga when Kakashi is fighting Itachi he does ask how much Itachi's sight had deteriorated. This means that the mangekyo sharingan does have a side affect and Itachi is well aware of that because when you next see him after his first fight with Asuma and Kurenai he does not have the sharingan or MS activated when he didnt need it. So yes if Itachi has his MS on too much he would, in fact, go blind eventually. Orochimaru12 18:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Unnamed member
Is it Possible that She is the Leaders partner? she is always seen near him. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.215.171.4 (talk • contribs) 05:23, 20 February 2007 (UTC).
 * its possible, but Zetsu is always "reportin" to the leader too, so it may be him... OR with the fact that his ring means "zero" then maybe he technically has no partner(or maybe b/c Orochimaru left) she is zetsu's partner and he has no partnerAncientanubis 05:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Since there are currently an odd number of Akatsuki, that means that at least one of them does not have a party member. –Gunslinger47 06:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I belive Zetsu is Alone Because he is the "Spy" of Akatsuki but we have yet to see who is missing a Partner.

Deidara's gender
Deidara is a travesty for sure, it looks like a woman but has a man's voice. Besides it won't be the first time to happen in a manga.

Black Dollar 20 February 2007


 * No one in the manga seems to think he's a girl or a travestite, only readers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.82.143.200 (talk • contribs).


 * Androgyny inside a Japanese anime?! Unheard of! ^_^ –Gunslinger47 19:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * nope never heard **cough*cough** haku **cough*cough**of one of those in anime..... sorry, i'm gettin over a cold:P lolAncientanubis 15:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * How does Deidara look like a girl?! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.229.190.227 (talk) 11:13, 22 February 2007 (UTC).


 * I believe the long hair and eye liner are what throws some people off. –Gunslinger47 12:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * true, i also believe its due to the translations of the manga... you know, the whole "Japanese language's sparse use of third person pronouns". Ancientanubis 05:47, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

"It" usually acts with Tobi in a "non-man-to-man" way you know, also with Sasori. Hidan also called "it" Deidara-chan. In the anime "it" has a more masculine style, but in the manga "it's" design is more femenine. I said it more of a joke in the first place, but actually it could be a travestie. Black Dollar 23 February 2007
 * Deidara is male. The end. The Splendiferous Gegiford 15:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * @ Black Dollar: Oh, how does one act when acting in a "non-man-to-man" way? Adding "chan" to Deidara's name doesn't say anything, it was most likely used in a disrespective, mocking way, anyway... The proper definition of the word "transvestite" would actually be: Person who practices cross-dressing... Now, I've got only one (1) question for you: Where is Deidara's laced dress? (Boy, did that put a disturbing image in my head or WHAT?!) 217.208.24.19 16:49, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Deidara is a man, a guy guy. Look at the anime, he looks like a young man, and he sounds like a young man, too. Look at the manga, he looks like a girl and wears eye liner. First, it might not even be eye liner, it may just be his eyes' outlines, or, if it is eyeliner, it could serve a similar purpose of the eyeliner that Jack Sparrow or American football players wear (it keeps the sun of their eyes). Second, sure he looks like a girl, so did Haku (Naruto), but he was a boy. Third, Hidan does call him Chan (which is similar to our "Miss"), but Hidan is just such an ornery guy, he was probably making fun of Deidara. Besides, other males go by "chan", like Jackie Chan. --Count Mall 18:58, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * wow dude, you realize this is all fun and games right???Ancientanubis 19:32, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * or @ least after the first few initial posts:PAncientanubis 20:01, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, you definitely need to read up on the meaning of -chan. Once you're done that, read up on Chan Kong-Sang and realize that he is from Hong Kong, not Japan.  That makes a difference, trust me. :) –Gunslinger47 03:03, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * 217.208.24.19 I actually don't know were it is, you should take a look on Akatsuki's wardrobe. Now I've got only two questions for you, do you treat men in the same way you treat women? And... all the woman you know wear laced dresses? Black Dollar 25 February 2007


 * Sasori's treatment of Deidra can be explained by Sasori being an old man. Hidan's treatment of Deidra can be explained by Hidan being a jackass.
 * Anyway, this conversation no longer has a purpose. How does this pertain to the article?  We're never going to say that Deidra is transman, no matter how much you speculate due to Wikipedia policy. –Gunslinger47 18:29, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Guys, I know this is fun and games, why do you think I used Jackie Chan as an example! Mwahahaha!--Count Mall 03:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

If Deidara is a girl, then s/he's on steroids (doesnt steroids give girls, like, deep voices?). also, i cant seem to figure out why anime characters can almost always tell the gender of a character! (except for the naruto/haku incident)KKIPPES 05:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Not that im agreeing that hes a travesty or anything, but blackdollar never said that deirdara was a female, he just said he was a travesty, which isint the same thing as saying hes a female Letuce 22:57, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Hidan in the former members area?
Should we put Hidan in the former members area? Or is Zetsu or Deidara gonna dig em up when they retrieved Kakuzu's ring?--Count Mall 02:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Until the event you just described happens (possibly tomorrow), we have to keep him on the active roster. Treima 02:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

WHAT ABOUT SASORI?????
It appears that Sasori is the only Akatsuki member without a picture. I recommend that wikipedia gets a pic from the anime to place in the forums. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Oowashi (talk • contribs) 23:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC).
 * It's going to be a few months until the anime actually shows Sasori's true form. Until then, I think his page is fine.Ikani87 01:04, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sasori does have a pic. It's in his article. Same as Hidan's pic and Kakuzu's pic. The Splendiferous Gegiford 01:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * maybe they're refuring to a picture of them on the "akatsuki" page.... speaking of that,(it has prob been discussed before but i'll bring it up anyway)... any thoughts on adding a pic for the "former members" on the akasuki page, just a small one so if someones lookin for it by face instead of name its easier to find????, just a thought.   Ancientanubis 04:08, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Deidara, Kakuzu, Article
I think Deidara and Kakuzu should have their own separate articles. There's enough info on Deidara to make one for him and Kakuzu is dead so we probably won't be getting anymore info on him.
 * Kakuzu has an article and Deidara's not dead yet. Sam ov the blue sand 02:16, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * ya kno Sam, they kinda do have a point on Deidara... although we could always wait a bit longer to see if any new info arises on him when they reveal who in akatsuki naruto and company will be fighting next, i mean if it is deidra i say it may be a good idea to go ahead and create his own seperate article, if not i say we wait. Ancientanubis 05:49, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Most of Diedara's info is his abilities, which can be trimmed down a bit. So wait until he resurfaces as a main antagonist again and dies after that or if he survives another battle in an ark then we will go ahead with the article. Sam ov the blue sand  04:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * that makes sense, and i could agree with that.... what about anyone else who cares???Ancientanubis 05:29, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * So the member has to die before they get their own page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.229.190.227 (talk) 15:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC).


 * No they have to be dead or survive an ark two or more times and have enough information to have an article of their own. Sam ov the blue sand 22:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I disagree, Deidara has enough information on him to get his own page, and now that he has shown up in the anime I think it would be a good idea to give him his own. Kilanli 20:37, 17, March 2007 (UTC)

Sasori and Orochimaru
I don't necessarily doubt it, but why are Orochimaru and Sasori no longer former teammates? What has come to light that disproves this idea? ~SnapperTo 05:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The previous source has been called into question as a possible translation error. –Gunslinger47 05:34, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Now, I'm not so sure of myself. I went back and looked up some translations from chapter 267, where the line comes from, and the first two I came to had a line like "Orochimaru was originally one of us", like these two:  But now that I go further than that, there are about 3 that do mention the partner thing. I'll look into it a little more and come back. The Splendiferous Gegiford 06:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll go back and readd the stuff I removed. A while back someone mentioned that it was a translation error, but looking at the original Japanese text, it does imply that they were teammates. Plus the fact that Japanese Wikipedia mentions Sasori and Orochimaru as a pair, and I doubt they'd be confused by their original language. The Splendiferous Gegiford 06:08, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * ik its may be irelivent now, but i took it upon my self to re-read all the post-time skip manga for some reason, the line in question(i assume) is "hey now, i didtn have anything to do wiht the yondaime. the ones who provided the help were my subordinates... although within akatsuki, I was origionally teamed wiht orochimaru, so we did alot together...." as i read more i'll post the mentions of sasori and orochimaru just so everyone is happy and we can all dance:P___Ancientanubis 05:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * yay more information: in chapter 294 Kabuto says "sasori harbored much ill-will towards orochimaru-sama, and was always talking of how he intended to finish him with his own hands, if he's gone back on those words and sent you to do the job... then that means he's been reduced to a state where he can't do it himself"(pg 14 of chapter 294)..... hope this may clear stuff up some, or at least that i was of some helpAncientanubis 21:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Change
Would anyone be in favour of splitting this article into the info on the organisation and then a members page that would allow for more information for each without making the main akatsuki page too long itself?Darkwarriorblake 18:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * hmmm.... sounds very interesting, the only thing im worried about though is that to some people it may seem redundant to have 2 seperate pages for akatsuki.... then again, they've kinda done the same thing with hollow's in bleach, and hollow's, and it seems to flow fairely nicely... i mean, besides a lack of some visual's....... i guess i'm a go for it, as long as we find somewhat of a good way to break it up without spreading information too thin, like maybe keeping even shorter summaries of the characters on the main page as to make things easier for some people:PAncientanubis 20:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking an image of each member obviously, maybe keep those detail lists like status, a very brief (Maybe a paragraph, max 2) summary of their actions and a link to "Members of Akatsuki" or something of that nature. It just seems a bit awkward to have to move deceased members down into the former members section. Like people have pointed out before, eventually everyone is going to be a former member. Perhaps all members should be listed there which would be more doable with a greatly reduced section with their obvious status section or perhaps broken up into sections with headers while still in teh members section such as active, deceased, etc. I don't think any but Orochimaru have actually willingly left.Darkwarriorblake 20:29, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * personally, i think the whole "hollows in bleach" and "hollows" is a great example of how we could do it, i mean as long as we keep it simple enough for the common person to understand and also easy to navigate... i mean, keeping this in mind we also wouldnt feel that guilty on expanding more on akatsuki as a group also i think that it'd be a nice little project to keep us all occupied:P__ Ancientanubis 21:38, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The Members section doesn't take up that much room. And with members dieing at a rapid pace they will soon all have their own articles. Sam ov the blue sand 22:06, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

That's hardly a good reason to keep it as is. It looks weird putting them down in the former members section for a start. THe main members section is the most eye catching when you view the article with former members almost seeming unimportant to a casual reader which isn't a good thing. Darkwarriorblake 22:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Once again you're are forgetting the IP's if we got rid of the former members section they'd be like "WHERE THE HELL'S SASORI AND THE OTHERS!" and we will have to point them in the right direction time and again. Remember the IP's, they're members too albeit anonymous members. Sam ov the blue sand 01:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * yes, but thats why they're sayin that if we keep a very small section on the main page, wiht a picture of each of the members(keeps the anonymous's happy) then we can have a seperate page with more indepth info on the members all while kinda spreading out the whole thing, i mean personally i've felt that the akatsuki page is VERY long, maybe breaking it up may be a better way to distribute the informationAncientanubis 02:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Look, if you're looking to break up an article than go to Naruto's page and split that up because it needs it and this page doesn't. And this page doesn't break the limit so it's fine. Sam ov the blue sand 03:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It's 12kb over the limit, but that's not the point. Unlike Hollows, we know next to nothing about the organization itself, other than the first sections, which constitute a bit more than a stub. Splitting the article isn't necessary. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)