Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)/Archive 8

Deidara's Rehabilitation
Just out of curiosity, was only one or both of Deidara's arms fixed by Kakuzu? After all, one of them was torn off but the other was crushed, and I don't see how Kakuzu's threads could fix a crushed arm.


 * See . — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Deidara has arms back now, but both of them are not necessarily his own, since Kakuzu is explicitly capable of grafting "donor" parts and organs. We see Deidara's left palm again on the last page of 353, but this doesn't rule out the possibility of a donor arm since we don't know the manner in which he got his  palm mouths in the first place.  –Gunslinger47 23:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't forget, we don't know the extent of Zetsu's or the Leader's abilities, we don't know a thing about Tobi's or the unnamed member's abilities, and we have no idea if there are any other generichenchmen working as stagehands of sorts. For all we know, Kakuzu might have just handled reattachments while one of the above worked on other sorts of injuries.  You Can '  t See Me!  20:57, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

guys Deidaras uper arms are now clay here is the pic

www.narutomania.com/forums… 24.205.255.129 23:27, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the head's up. The RAW appears to be out now, so we can begin the verification process. –Gunslinger47 00:00, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know where you're looking, all I saw was a clay bird and Deidara with a missing arm.

It is clay... At least, what I believe to be clay, so I agree with 24.205.255.129. See panel two, from the following link.  Kryssel 00:40, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I dont think it is. After an arm is reatached in the real world, the portion of the arm it was attached to remains red and sometimes swollen for a while before the arm fully connects to the body. I think that its just this natural swelling and redness.--Count Mall 21:09, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, makes sense. ^^ I can't wait to see the next part! :P Kryssel 23:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Deidara's status should be changed to Deceased now.

We dont know he's dead. "Oh, but its soooo obvious" you say. Remember Kakuzu and how he was pierced through the chest that first time? He still survived. My theory is that Tobi's abilities cancel out Deidara's, saving Deidara but sparing Sasuke, in order to save his senpai and friend. This theory is more likely than mearly dying, as most people in this universe dont die without a major unset (like two teams of ninja or a family member of the deceased getting involved, not just one guy), and it's stemmed from how Hidan's and Kakuzu's abilities cancelled each other and also that Tobi has only watched so far.--24.56.216.190 06:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, Itachi can possibly have an article now!
It seems that you're turning every article into history, abilities, and personality/goals, along with some minor things for certain characters. Well, if that's so, then Itachi would have enough for an article now. History and Abilities is a duh, but personality and goals is still a mystery. We could put in Plot Overview a few sentences, like other characters (Jiraiya) while it is mainly his abilities and history that are the main impression. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 20:37 (Eastern Standard Time), 19 May, 2007.


 * I'd like to see where the current arc is going before supporting this. We should be seeing quite a bit of Itachi soon. –Gunslinger47 19:15, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I do agree that Itachi should have his own page. If he continues to be in the current arc a lot, then you should have no problem making his own artical. 24.229.191.54 10:08, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * However, that has yet to have occured, and until that does, Itachi will not get a page. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 15:57, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * So how many more chapters does he have to be in? 24.229.191.54 10:13, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * 9 million. Seriously, it's quality, not quantity. He does nothing except the following:
 * Motivates Sasuke.
 * Kills clan. Why? In essence, "to prove I'm leet".
 * Pwns Kakashi, pwns Sasuke, pwns everyone.
 * Hardly telling of his character. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 10:18, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Damn edit conflicts (reason why my post is later is becuase I got pissed over the edit conflict) but yeh what Someguy said. Man I had a long post ready too >_<. Sam ov the blue sand  21:24, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * But we're already limiting every character article to personality/history and abilities. We can't say anything for personality, for he's such a mystery, but he has a huge list of his history. And Itachi Uchiha's abilities are also quite large compared to others. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 15:25 (Eastern Standard Time); 25 May 2007.

Regarding Tobi and Kakuzu's entries
1. Tobi was never stated to be a subordinate of Zetsu. He was simply the first Akatsuki member that we saw Tobi interact with. He addresses Zetsu with the honorary '-san', just as he does with Kisame (when mentioning him while fighting the Sanbi). Nothing during their brief interaction suggested that Tobi had officially worked with Zetsu, only that he had intentions of joining Akatsuki and decided to follow Zetsu to the site of Sasori's death. To say that he was a subordinate is merely an assumption.

2. Kakuzu has never displayed a water element jutsu, and it is again only an assumption that his own heart was capable of this. High physical strength and speed are defining characteristics. If Kisame is given these characteristics, then Kakuzu should as well, as he has shown even greater feats of strength by blocking the paw of the Nibi with his bare hands, by destroying the Fire Temple gates with a punch, and by easily destroying buildings and trees with punches (Shikamaru) and kicks (Kakashi). His speed took Asuma by surprise, and also took Kakashi by surprise, who had Sharingan activated while running with Raikiri toward Hidan. The entire purpose of the Sharingan to be used with Raikiri is so that he is able to see and and react to counters, something that he lacked when he did not have the Sharingan (as stated by Yondaime). It was also the reason why only Sasuke was able to learn Chidori. Kakuzu still managed to move in front of Kakashi and kick him. MasamuneX7 01:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Subordinate is the proper term. Akatsuki doesn't just let people follow them. Your choice of terms is original research, ours is precedent.
 * He could use all five, as stated by himself. That he doesn't use one is not an issue. As for sterngth and speed, it's nothing impressive. All ninja can move that fast, relatively speaking.
 * In short, your claims are either original reaseach or overstatements. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:56, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Subordinate is misleading and suggests something along the lines of Sasori's mastery over Yuura or Kabuto in the past. Their relationship is no different from that of Kisame and Itachi or Deidara and Sasori, and you wouldn't call either Kisame or Deidara a subordinate, would you? Should you still choose to use subordinate, "Akatsuki's subordinate" would be more proper and concise. There is no evidence of Tobi and Zetsu having a past relationship outside of Akatsuki or of Tobi respecting Zetsu more than any other Akatsuki minus Deidara. As for Kakuzu's elements, so be it. - MasamuneX7 07:08, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I think he may be onto something with strength and speed, though. Granted, a lot of ninja are super-strong and super-fast by our human standards, but it takes a bit extra to knock over trees with brute force or evade a Sharingan-guided Lightning Blade. Other than that, Masamune, Someguy has all your other claims covered.  You Can '  t See Me!  03:01, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Orochimaru can kick over trees, too. As for kicking Kakashi, Kakashi has been noted to not be on an Akatsuki level. All Akatsuki have shown those super-human speeds, Itachi especially. It's not notable unless he has it in excess of others, which he doesn't. Kisame does, so it's notable for him. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:06, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The thing is, he didn't just knock over some trees, he stopped an attack from a transformed Nibi Yugito with his bare hands. Please refer to Chapter 313. This is not something a person can automatically do once they attain this "Akatsuki" level. This is an attack from a bijuu, not a little kitten. I would say this is WELL in excess of others. In fact, it is far greater than any feat of strength that Kisame has shown, which is basically his ability to overpower a base Gai at 30% and to overpower Asuma with only the tip of Samehada. As far as speed goes, all we know is that Kisame at 30% is a little faster than base Gai, but is clearly inferior to 6 Gates Gai. Do you call this "in excess of others"? Past that, he hasn't shown anything to warrant the "high physical strength and speed" as a defining characteristic, if you choose to ignore the similar feats Kakuzu has shown over Asuma and Kakashi. There is no original research involved nor are they overstatements. - MasamuneX7 07:08, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The problem is that the exact category you are referring to is called "defining traits." It is more significant that Kakuzu possesses his threads, can use all five chakra elements, and is practically immortal through the use of others' hearts. All of these traits are featured more prominently than Kakuzu having exceptional strength or speed. Heck, he spends more time using his threads for fighting than he does his arms. As for Kisame, high physical strength and speed are defining characteristics given by the speed he wields his sword, as well as his ability to overpower Jonin-level ninja in terms of strength without significant effort. As using his speed and strength are defining points of his fighting style, they are included. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 07:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * His defense against the Nekomata could have stemmed from his ability to harden his body. As for your comparisons, you're comparing Kisame to Guy. Don't forget that Guy is the ultimate physical combatant in the series, save for possibly Tsunade. The fact that Guy comments on Kisame's physical abilities is enough to signify Kisame's strength in those fields.  You Can '  t See Me!  07:26, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * If Guy says that someone has monsterous strength, I'm inclined to believe that this is significant. Especially considering that Kisame was fighting at 30% using a meat puppet at the time. –Gunslinger47 08:31, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Sephiroth BCR's reasoning I will agree with. However, this does not disprove his great strength or speed. Before his last battle, all we knew was that he was a taijutsu user, because he relied on his physical abilities before Kakashi was able to break through his defense. It was only then that he decided to step things up a notch. His defense against the Nibi did not stem from his iron skin jutsu, as his skin tone did not darken like it is supposed to when he activates the jutsu. Likewise, his skin tone was normal when he kicked Kakashi into a row of trees. I compared Kisame to Gai, but I also compared Kakuzu to Nibi. How do Gai's physical abilities stack up to those of a bijuu? - MasamuneX7 07:47, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I never said Kakuzu wasn't strong. I just mentioned that Kisame was, and offered a possibility on Kakuzu's apparent overpowering of the Nekomata. I haven't seen a majority of the scans (I read a summary instead), so I didn't know about his change in skin tone.  You Can '  t See Me!  08:02, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * As the Nibi is made of fire, blocking a paw not might as much as a physical feat as you'd think. As for the kicking, other characters have shown simiar feats. On more than one occasion ninja have hit with such force as to neatly "human-shaped crater" their opponents into rock, so a few broken trees isn't impressive. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 08:43, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * How then would it be possible to stop an attack of a creature that is not made of a solid substance? The sound effect in that panel is clearly a "physical block". Also refer to chapter 323 where Kakuzu (without hardened skin) destroys the building Shikamaru is standing on with one punch. Please list off some other characters who are capable of this. You will find that all the characters you list off are considered to have high physical strength. Much of the disapproval stems from the belief that Kisame is the "one" to fill in the "physically strong and fast" niche in Akatsuki, and that no one else can share this trait as it would be too repetitive. I can understand why you don't want to accept this, because it throws the perfect Akatsuki "order" off balance. It would be similar to having 2 water element users in Akatsuki. No one wants to see that, and I believe it's why Kakuzu never used it though he could, as you stated earlier. Every member should be unique in their own ways, but there are bound to be some repeats. Both Itachi and Kisame have used a water jutsu. Itachi, Sasori (flamethrower), and Kakuzu all used a form of fire jutsu. Deidara has an explosive clone just like Itachi, but on a far greater magnitude. Hidan and Sasori are both one-scratch killers in different ways. Orochimaru and Kisame both have swords, though they have completely different properties. Orochimaru, Sasori, Hidan, and Kakuzu all have a form of immortality. Kisame and Kakuzu are both strong and fast. It's not as if I'm the only person who has noticed this. I've covered this issue multiple times on multiple forums and the vast majority of people are in agreement. - MasamuneX7 18:48, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * As a ninja increases in power, his strength and speed invariably increase. Simply being powerful is not a defining trait.  Heightened strength or speed is only a defining trait if a ninja's strength or speed far outpace others of their own power level.  –Gunslinger47 20:52, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Exactly. Kisame is unreasonably strong, and this has been commented upon. What Kakuzu doesn't isn't much more impressive than Naruto's Kyubi-dosed feats, made less so when you taken into account that his body mass can be increased. Heavier things hit harder. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:08, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Also, keep in mind that Kisame vs Gai was at 30 percent

Article Errata
About the Organization->Goal (2.1) section, it's said "Akatsuki possesses seven tailed beasts". The one-tailed trough four-tailed, "and three other unknown demons".

Since in chapter 353 Itachi and Kisame talks about hunting one between Naruto and the eight-tailed beast, we can agree Akatsuki possesses five, six and seven-tailed demons with no fear to be wrong. Bandreus 11:38, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * He says "up to the eight tail", in reference to what must be sealed before Naruto. They might already have the eight tail. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 16:42, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The last one is likely to be the eight tails by virtue of Shounen manga progression, but until it's shown or stated, it can't be posted as fact. - MasamuneX7 18:50, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Zetsu Question
In what chapter does Zetsu eat the corpses of Yura and the random weird guy? - Dementor654


 * Chapter 261. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 00:54, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very Much - Dementor 654

It should be noted in the section Forehead Protectors that Zetsu's one is not seen either.

Black Dollar (UTC) 12 June 2007

Itachi - Own article?
Doesn't Itachi deserve his own seperate article? I mean, we have enough information on him and his considered one of the main villains right? Please state your opinion.70.83.177.152 20:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC)Your Friendly Neighbourhood Naruto
 * There are already two or three seven previous discussion on this page alone that have explained, in detail, why Itachi doesn't have a separate article yet. There's not enough information about him available to really make an article of note yet. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 20:26, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Please take a look at the next discussing page, where I took about 1.5 hours to make an Itachi article in the making. If you give me permission, I'll create the for real article. If any of you steal that from me, I'll report to a higher officer in Wikipedia. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 16:46 (Eastern Standard Time); 28 May, 2007.

I've made an Itach article sceleton
I've spent 1.5 hours doing this, and if I get permission from above, I'll make this into an actualy article. If not, then I'll, and by that I mean ME, delete it.

User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares/ItachiSandbox


 * That's too lengthy to have on a discussion page. I've created a sandbox for you with all of the content on it. Refer to the above link.  You Can '  t See Me!  20:56, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * But what do you think about it. If it's still empty in your opinion, I understand, but it's actually about as long or longer than some articles, like Shino, Kiba, Kurenai, Tenten, and the Fourth Hokage. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 17:04 (Eastern Standard Time); 28 May, 2007.

It's great, we should keep it. You got my vote. --Putmalk 21:04, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

It looks fine. That was certainly less complicated than I had imagined it would be.  You Can '  t See Me!  21:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: I removed all of the spelling and grammar errors and also added Itachi's ring information.


 * Well, it was mainly easy for me because I already made several other topics, all but one of which were from YuYu Hakuhso. At that time, the YuYu Hakusho articles were a bit sad, for several importnat articles didn't exist, and most articles weren't on the YuYu Hakusho template box.


 * And sorry for not asking earlier, but does that mean I can make that into an article, "You Can't See Me!"? Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 17:16 (Eastern Standard Time); 28 May, 2007.


 * You don't really need anyone's permission; you just need to be bold and put a convincing argument behind your edit. I'm not sure about anyone else, but that was convincing enough for me, so I personally won't revert the page if you make it.  You Can '  t See Me!  21:51, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me.70.83.177.152 22:58, 28 May 2007 (UTC)Your Friendly Neighbourhood Naruto


 * One thing someone could add to it is what he did during the series (example: what happened when he came to Konoha to look for Naruto). 24.229.191.54 10:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Not gonna happen. The whole point of the reformatting is to get rid of excessive plot summary. That stuff goes on the episode lists by season and the Plot pages.  You Can '  t See Me!  10:31, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Other member
In episode 135, I believe, when the members were gathering, an extremely large member could be seen. Anyone know who that is?
 * I saw him, but I'm not sure. If anyone needs help spotting him, he's behind Kisame.(dintinguishable by his sword handle)
 * That's assumed to be Kakuzu, whose actual appearance Kishimoto hadn't yet decided upon. ~SnapperTo 23:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * A number of those silhouettes are hard to match up with Akatsuki members. Could be old members, could be old character designs, could be some random puppet of Sasori's.  There is no official word or any other way to verify, so there's no use discussing it here. –Gunslinger47 23:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Zetsu's New Picture
Ummm, about Zetsu's new pciture, that one doesn't really show the white dots Zetsu has. And compared to the previous one, it is terrible. It looks more like a third-rate flashback picture rather than one from the actual storyline.

I think the new picture looks much better, it shows more of his venus flytrap head thing. Plus he doesnt have that werid look on his face like in the last picture.

Itachi Uchiha
Why do we still have the entire Itachi section intact from what it was before we made his article? It doesn't even have a link to his article. If we already have an article of him that explains all of those things in debt, I don't really see a point ot keep them here on the Akatsuki page, let alone without a link to his main page. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 12:09 (Eastern Standard Time); 1 June, 2007.
 * Mayby someone missed that he got his own article and restored his section, cause I have seen a shorted version with a link to his main page.Jacce 16:15, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * That was from me, the artist.

Agents
Should we add Kakuzu's banker/accountant and the one unnamed guy that that kisame used for the Leader's Shapeshifting technique.

well considering theres not much info on them,and their appearence wasn't very long ((unlike yura and kabuto)). i mean the only real info was that he was Kakuzu's banker/accountant and the unnamed guy was transformed into kisame,died,then was eatten by zetsu Allen Walker 14:26 1 June, 2007.

Deidara
I guess it would be too much to ask for Deidara to have his own article? I mean, he was in the manga a lot in the beginning of part 2, and now he's back. You don't have to, I would just like it to be considered. 24.229.191.54 20:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Not much to him and his character yet, so no. Sam ov the blue sand 21:50, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay. I was just wondering. 24.229.191.54 22:14, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I think Deidara could use an article. The articles we have now mainly incude abilities, personality, and plot importance. We've seen him fight, from what we've seen of him arguing with Sasori and Tobi we have good knowledge of his personality, and he has a part in the rescuing Gaara and current arcs.


 * Deidara should becuase: Plot Overview:He has appeared majorly in the beginning and the current chapters. Personality: He is obviously hotheaded. Abilities: His ability ain't hard to explain and all the chapters he is in fights. So he should have a article. Besides he appeared more than Itachi, besides flasbacks.


 * We still don't know very much else on him. We can sum up his abilities in three sentences, because all it is is one jutsu with multiple uses (the clay clone fits under the original clay technique) we only know that he's hotheaded and cruel (the second given by Masashi Kishimoto). He has no ihstory at all, and his plot importance is mainly battles. Its the current policy to give all dead members articles, and Itachi is much more important than Deidara. In truth, Deidara is just Kisame shown alot more.

Yes, he is shown a lot in part two. He doesn't need his past revealed for an article. TenTen has an article, and she has no backround and little plot importance. Deidara is a much more important(and popular) character. Allow an article!


 * Deidara has done alot, but he really doesn't have enough for an article. Popularity doesn't matter at all, it matters only what he did in the real world. His abilities are summed up in three, mabye four, sentences. We're beginning to discuss whther or not some characters need articles. We have basically no clue on his personality besides hot-headedness and cruelty towards his enemies, which would be summed up in about 1 or 2 snetences. We could say some more about his partnerships in Akatsuki, but that doesn't count very much. Plot Overview should be limited to a few sentences, not most of the article. Until, possibly, this current arc is over (when it's suspected that he'll probably do more) or he dies he won't get an article. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 7:45 (Eastern Standard Time); 12 June 2007.


 * I've changed my mind, it seems that Deidara has now done enough for an article, he has had a flashback and he has had a large number of lasting battles and enough "screen-time" (not sure what you'd call it for manga). we should still wait a little longer, however. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares

Well, we could just add information as it comes if Deidara earns his own article. Especially since now he's fighting Sasuke and revealing alot about his personality, abilities, and past. CuteBlackBow 17:27, 1 July 2007 (UTC)CuteBlackBow

Thats enoguh! The guy was just wondering if we had enough info on Deidara to make him his own article. We dont. End of story. --Count Mall 23:55, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Hidan's Village
Shouldn't we note that Hidan is from Amegakure? It shows on his headband in Chapter 325 and on other numerous pictures of him. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xitan (talk • contribs).


 * No, because he isn't. To quote the hidden message in the article, "Hidan's village is not identifiable." His headband does not match any known village. ~SnapperTo 03:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

It isn't Amegakure, in all the illustrations I've seen of Hidan, he only has 3 strokes on his Headband, not 4.

Hidan is clearly from the Hidden Village in the Waterfall, if youll remember back to the first series when they help the hidden village in the waterfall, the shinobi leader of the village has a headband with an arrow pointing downward split into left and right halves just like Hidan's. Vonblessing 19:15, 10 July 2007 (UTC)]


 * No, Kakuzu is clearly from the Hidden Village in the Waterfall since, you know, he is. Unless you are suggesting that both Hidan and Kakuzu have the same headband... ~SnapperTo 19:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

The Leader's Shapeshifting Technique
I think that the part about it being able to duplicate kekkei genkai should be removed, as it was made clear by the person who posed as Itachi that he was incapable of using the Mangekyou Sharingan. If it could duplicate the original Sharingan then maybe the article could just be amended to state it cannot copy advanced bloodline techniques.


 * Itachi was fully able to use the Sharingan. He was unable to use the Mangekyo Sharingan because he did not have enough chakra to use any of his techniques. The current description is fine. Sephiroth BCR (Converse)  00:34, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm looking at the chapter right now. It doesn't say that he was unable to use the Mangekyou Sharingan because he was low on chakra, he just said "I am unable too." Conversely, it's never made clear that he could use the Sharingan either. His eyes might have the telltale tomoe, but that could just be a detailed copying of his appearance, not his actual abilities.


 * So is it that I've made a good point but you're too lazy to make the change or too lazy to admit you're wrong? The least you could do is reply.


 * He uses his Sharingan at multiple points throughout the battle, so you're wrong, plain and simple. He couldn't use Tsukiyomi (yes, there's a difference), which he generalizes under his M. Sharingan, because he didn't have the chakra. What is written is accurate. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:20, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Likely, you were just being ignored.
 * The mangekyo uses a huge amount of chakara. More than 30% of Itachi's total.  This was clear even before this encounter.  He was unable to use it, as expected. –Gunslinger47 00:28, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Tobi and the Hitotsume-kozō
Has anyone else noticed the similarity between Tobi and the Hitotsume-kozō? Apart from Tobi's physical appearance, his generally childlike demeanor and lack of (shown) fighting is remeniscent of this creature. Also, Zetsu's comment harkens back to this as well. 61.88.0.253 02:27, 6 June 2007 (UTC) Haggisjin


 * I noticed it some time ago, but this is no longer the place for speculation of clever little tidbits of information like that.


 * While that is true I do bellieve that the similarities between the way Obito and Tobi act should be noted as well as there names being near anograms for one anthor nad Tobi having been found by Zetsu in the land of grass where Obito supposedly died and his mask being a spiral similar to the konoha headband also his ability to track Sasuske's movement should be noted but hey that's just me.
 * We're an encyclopedia: we record information. If there are theories you can derive from that information, great, but unless its been confirmed, its all idle speculation.  Lets pretend that we did put all that in... and then Tobi turns out to have nothing to do with Obito.  Well, at that point, all that speculation will look pretty silly in that it doesn't lead anywhere, right?  And so it will have to be taken out again.  That's not how this is supposed to work.  Encyclopedia information shouldn't be coming in and out again based on what speculations turn out to be true and which don't.76.189.206.11 03:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Former Members Section
I'm really not a fan of putting deceased members of Akatsuki in the former members area (specifically Sasori, Kakuzu, and Hidan). Seems like we should still consider them members (albeit dead or non active if you will) of Akatsuki. Orochimaru would obviously remain in this section seeing how he is technically the only one (that we know of) to leave the organization (the other three never left or renounced their positions or anything, they were simply...killed in the line of duty). Anyone else to leave or be forced out (or what have you) would go in the Former Members area as well.

Thoughts? 68.52.208.121 07:20, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Dead people can't be members. It's not rocket science. They lack the ability to participate. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Dead people can't be Kohona ninja or villagers either, by that logic, but look, there they are right in the Land of Fire article. You get right on fixing that.   You might also want to fix Bleach's listing of the Espada which includes deceased members.

Zabuza is one of akatsuki too...

Well considering the rate we're going at there soon won't be any members of Akatsuki. Besides, I already talked about what their status would be (dead or nonactive). All I'm trying to say is that just because they're dead doesn't mean we don't (or won't) still explicitly associate them with Akatsuki (or anyone random person who goes searching for information about them I would assume). I suppose if you want other examples of what I'm talking about go searching for the Red Ribbon Army and the Ginyu Force (from Dragonball and Dragonball Z respectively) or even the Band of Seven from Inuyasha. An example from Naruto specifically would be the Sound Four. As for Zabuza being a member of Akatsuki, I haven't heard anything to support that in the least.68.52.208.121 18:51, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The thing about those organizations is that all of the members die at some point or are otherwise no longer to be members. To have a "Former members" section for them would be pointless as there are no current members. This is not the case with Akatsuki. Once there are no current members, either due to all being killed or what have you, then the current and former members section will be combined. ~SnapperTo 19:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * That doesn't seem like a sensible general policy for an encyclopedia we should have a section structure policy that is usable.

What about Orochimaru? 68.52.208.121 20:32, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * You'll need to elaborate on that. ~SnapperTo 20:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

If you combine them into one general Akatsuki is Orochimaru going to be put back in with the rest of them? 68.52.208.121 20:54, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure, why not. ~SnapperTo 20:57, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I propose that we place a member in the former members area only if either (a)the member has voluntarily abandoned Akatsuki's cause (e.g. Orochimaru) or (b)the member has died AND whose ring has been given to a replacement (e.g. Sasori, whose ring is now Tobi's). If this is done, then only Orochimaru and Sasori (who were, come to think of it, originally partners) would be on the former members list, and we won't need to decrease the actual members list until only the leader is left or something. Come to think of it, since Sasori voluntarily forfeited his fight with Chiyo (he could have dodged her final attack, but chose not to), we can say that he has technically abandoned Akatsuki by then. What do you guys think? focoma 03:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Tobi the ghost
Someone should mention in Tobi's defining traits that he is actually able to be sliced in two by Uchiha Sasuke's chokûto but not be sliced at all.

Black Dollar 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Be bold. –Gunslinger47 01:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't have the right stuff. In any case Tobi doesn't recover from the attack, it simplly doesn't affect him.

Black Dollar 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Again that's in line with him being based on the Hitotsume-kozō60.241.163.196 04:48, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

In what chapter does this happen, and on what page?Tobi is a good boy 15:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Members?
Why does it still say that their are seven members? They've already said that Hidan is no longer considered a part of Akatsuki.


 * ... and without Hidan there are seven members. ~SnapperTo 02:47, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Deidara's Varying Clay
It seems that Deidara has multiple levels of his explosive clay techniques. So far, he's only been using "C1" explosive clay, but in the chapter 357 fight with Sasuke, he uses "C2" clay, which creates a giant explosive dragon. I think the varying levels of power in Deidara's clay should be listed in his profile.


 * We already mention that he uses varying clay. What he names them is of little consequence. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:23, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point. I've deleted the article on jutsu and all references to the names of jutsu in this article: they are of little consequence.
 * And guess what his best move is C4 and it involves him throwing a plastic bomb. ^_^ But any ways I think we should have the names. Sam ov the blue sand 20:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you I tried to note that in his secshion but it was deleted every time. Please will someone else note it. thedarklonewolf


 * I feel it should be stated that sadly diedara's levels of explosives end at c3 as stated during his fight with Garaa but it would be pretty awesome if he has palstic explosive clay


 * Hang on he said that C3 was the hightest he could at the time which given how little clay he had at the time could mean that he does have a C4 or even higher but he need more clay to use them. thedarklonewolf


 * The lastest chapter confirms that he does have a C4.^_^ thedarklonewolf


 * The levels of clay aren't really inconsequential anymore, as each requires a different method of attack. C1 does about as much damage as a hand-grenade, and with it he brings a clay animal to life, has it approach the enemy, and makes it explode on command. C2 creates a giant dragon that actually produces clay animals in large quantities with the clay of its own tail and spews them out of its mouth. C3 is immobile and simply dropped like a bomb, and is capable of destroying an entire city. C4 is essentially like C1, except it actually attacks at a cellular level, bypassing defenses and producing a very different effect (looks more like ebola than a bomb). I'd at least mention that there are levels of bombs named C1-C4, that they can be used as landmines and to produce more clay explosives themselves, and that C4 attacks on a cellular level. It wouldn't take up much more space and it's as fundamental to Deidara's fighting style as Kakuzu having five hearts.

No senpai
should some one add about how Tobi started crying when he thoght Deidara died

or is it meanless info?

24.205.255.129 05:54, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Tobi is eccentric. There is no reason to mention this instance for the sake of mentioning it, but it is a pretty good example. –Gunslinger47 06:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Tobi is the Naruto of the Akatsuki as far as the whole Hyperactive-Knucklehead thing goes. But Tobi takes it to a whole nuther level. thedarklonewolf

The Leader's eyes

 * (note, some off-topic comments have been moved to User talk:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares)

I notice from episode 16 of naruto shippuden, just after Itachi and Kisame finishes their fight to talk to the leader once more, the leader's eyes were shown up close and it seems a bit different. I do not know how to post a picture so i could not provide it here. Among those the leader's eyes i could notice are its pink sclera, and a "double-ringed" gray irises. I posted this because his eyes may provide a clue of who or what he is, though i find very difficult to understand.


 * Yes, gobstopper eyes, as can be clearly seen in his existing image: Image:Akatsuki Leader.jpg. From episode 10.  –Gunslinger47 18:43, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I've moved some comments away from this section. Please keep speculation off of this talk page as per WP:V+WP:TALK. –Gunslinger47 22:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Constellations
Under rings, shouldn't it be stated that most have something to do with astronomy?


 * What do mean? Sam ov the blue sand 01:12, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Several of the rings share their names with Chinese constellations. For more information, follow the translations links.  Search this article for "Azure Dragon" as an example. –Gunslinger47 03:17, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh I get it now, I just didn't understand his question because he didn't give any examples. Sam ov the blue sand 13:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Another AL's eyes
I hope I'm not annoying anyone for this, nut did anyone else notice that the Leader's eyes are exactly the same as the sealing statue's? Interesting, huh? 74.167.170.215 20:30, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Has the definition of "exactly" changed recently without my knowing? –Gunslinger47 21:18, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Got a pic. Excluding the pink area, they are the same. black centers, and gray eyes. Xepeyon 20:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * So, in order words, they're exactly the same... except for that, and that, and that, and one of those, oh that's different, etc. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hm… Both those eyes have pupils. That's a little too suspicious to be mere coincidence. –Gunslinger47 00:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It's not exactly exact, but close enough. Maybe it's from all of the sealing. 24.229.191.54 10:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Both eyes have gray irises. This is the only significant similarity.  –Gunslinger47 17:03, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Better Teamwork
Has anyone noticed that Tobi and Deidara are working a lot better together than usual?


 * No they seem the same to me. Sam ov the blue sand 13:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Well they are not arguing as much then before.


 * They still argue a lot just not now against a good opponent. Sam ov the blue sand 22:18, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

If Diedara didnt care about tobi then how come he thought sorry tobi in chapter 362

New chapter
What about the new chapter when Sasuke got a wing blown off and with Tobi sining into the ground shouldent some one add that? 66.215.61.169 19:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Add what and why? WP:NOT. –Gunslinger47 19:28, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

stupid question
Ok I downloaded ch. 358 and the last 4 pages are fuzzy and very LQ all i know is that deidara falls into a mine pit. Does he die after falling in or did something else happen? Sam ov the blue sand 22:47, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I can't even find it yet. Usually when people fall into mine pits they die. 24.229.191.54 23:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * People don't usually ride giant explosive dragons into the pits. His fate is undetermined. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks but I've downloaded a new one now and they're much clearer. Sam ov the blue sand 02:30, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


 * He didn't really ride the dragon into it... it was kinda pinned to it by shurikan. 24.229.191.54 11:28, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Tobi's powers
in the latest chapter it shows tobi laying land mines for Deidara using a jutsu simillar to Earth Release: Underground Projection Fish Technique so I think that Tobi's section in the article should go a little more like this: ...During his fight with Sasuke, Tobi shows the ability to recover from what are presumably debilitating or fatal blows. After being slashed across the midsection by Sasuke's sword, Tobi collapses, only to stand up again a few seconds later and complain about the speed of the attack, During that same battle Tobi is shown laying clay land mines for Deidara using a Jutsu simillar to Earth Release: Underground Projection Fish Technique, Aside from this, Tobi has yet to demonstrate any techniques. P.S. the Earth release Jutsu should have a link. Editiriffic 06:48, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


 * There's nothing impressive or notable about digging holes. All sorts of ninja can do that. You might as well praise him for running. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:18, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes Someguy the almighty Running Jutsu! ^_^ Sam ov the blue sand  13:44, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I strongly dissagree. Digging the way he did suggests some sort of jutsu. Clearly you should see that.--Chipmonk328


 * And a digging jutsu is still not a notable skill, as quite a few ninja can both easily and quickly use it. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 19:08, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * like Naruto and Shikamaru. And I can dig a hole too! Sam ov the blue sand 19:11, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It look to me like the Earth Release: Inner Decapitation Technique to me. thedarklonewolf

Deidara charka
what is his highest charka is it c3 or c4.


 * He's stated that C3 is his greatest artistical acchievement, so I guess that means that it's C3 (unless he's powered up since his fight with Gaara).


 * ok, thanks I got confused when in here i was someone saying c4 was his highest.


 * In Ch. 359 (just released), Deidara chews up C4 himself, and regurgitates a bird, stating that it's his most powerful or greatest work (something along those lines) ~MajinNecro69


 * Given 359, it seems certain that C4 is his most powerful form; obviously referencing C-4 (explosive). It looks like this is Deidara's last ace-in-the-hole.  Kishimoto always kills off the enemies moments after giving them flashbacks.  (that's kind of annoying actually). –Gunslinger47 22:34, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * As stated above, Deidara's art's explosive power COULD apparently transend yet another level (C4)... @Gunslinger47: Well, but it's rather nice to get SOME kind of character background, isn't it? I mean, a character without some kind of background usually isn't a deep, substantiual or important character, but I'd say that Deidara fills all those traits. 81.228.148.105 00:53, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Guys, I think the description of Deidara's clay levels is wrong: we can't really say that C-4 is the "strongest", though it's probably the most clever application of his "art". In terms of explosive strength, C3 would be the strongest (I'm speculating that his chest-mouth technique is a form of C3, but we'll see in the next chapter, won't we?). And C-2, while stronger than C-1, is better described by its complexity rather than by its strength. Maybe describing each level would be the better approach. focoma 04:21, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Leaders Voice...
I was viewing the episode where Itachi confronts Naruto/Sakura/Kakashi/Chiyo, and the leader is indeed speaking. There's nothing on AnimeNewsNetwork about a seiyuu, so is the voice done through a computer distortion? RedEyesMetal 08:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * They might not have released it. They don't always. Like on LOST, they didn't release the name of the person who does Jacob. 24.229.191.54 12:40, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Deidara's Superflat style
Somebody should make a reference to the artstyles of Pop and Superflat in Deidara's segment. Kishimoto must have been a fan of Superflat, especially since Superflat is considered an artform that originated in Japan based on the artform of anime/manga style. Although there has been argument that Superflat is not a true art or high-art form but recognized more commercial like what anime and manga is, it does point out many arts itself and it is discussed in art classes at times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superflat

Founded by Takeshi Murakami...other anime/mangaka creators that were influenced are after all Hideaki Anno (Evangelion, Gunbuster, FLCL, etc.), Satoshi Kon (Perfect Blue, Millenium Actress, etc.) Mamoru Oshii (Ghost in the Shell), and Katsuhiro Otomo (Akira, Steam Boy, etc.) In any case Kishimoto must have been also influenced by Superflat.

I've been thinking since Superflat is also quite a controversial artform in Japan, as it might have some controversial link to Deidara's type of character as well aside from his style.

No Danna Meaning
I just watched the Naruto Shippuuden Episode 18 and I noticed Deidara say 'No Danna' I looked at the translation and it said 'Master'. This is a high possibility that No Danna means Master. (LatiRider 03:43, 24 June 2007 (UTC))


 * I don't want to sound insulting with this, but you need to read the article before trying to point these things out.
 * Akatsuki (Naruto) — "Deidara refers to Sasori as Master Sasori (サソリの旦那, Sasori no Danna?).
 * There ya go. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:51, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I looked up 'danna' and got 'husband' or master-of-the-house'. Evandré 18:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It's only informally applied to one's husband. This isn't really a meaning of the word; it's an application.  –Gunslinger47 18:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

That's how those stupid translators got Deidara's gender mixed up...75.26.194.99


 * Likely not. –Gunslinger47 03:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Members without Partners
Tobi and Unnamed Member under partner have "None or not yet introduced." Logically speaking, all of the members of Akatsuki (except said member, technically) have been introduced, so shouldn't it be "None or not yet identified"? Ring Finger 05:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Tobi has a partner. It's Deidara. And I checked and it's there. And I don't see a problem with that. 24.229.191.54 11:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. Identified sounds more accurate.  Updated.  –Gunslinger47 18:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I meant Zetsu, I was sleepy when I wrote that. 162.83.162.201 19:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

In the article, under the "Tailed Beast Extraction," it states that "The jutsu takes three days to complete. Kisame Hoshigaki commented that the jutsu takes longer without Orochimaru present, though whether this means that Orochimaru created the jutsu, or that the presence of all ten Akatsuki members is necessary for the greatest efficiency is unknown."

Well, even with only seven members, it still took three days to seal the four-tails, intimating that Orochimaru's absence may be of some importance in the sealing of tailed-beasts. I'm not suggesting article editing just yet though.

deidara and kisame
ithink they both need their own pages


 * I don't. Looking at the way things are going, Deidara will soon have his own page, but at present neither of them needs one. All of the relavent information more that fits into this article.81.132.163.71 14:27, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I feel the other way for Deidara, he should get an article within the next 5 or 6 chapters, but we should just wait and see a little more about him for now. All Kisame has done on his own is fight Guy, and that battle wasn't extremely important anyway. And we also don't know anything about Kisame that could make the article large besides his abilities, so the article might as well be "List of Kisame's abilities". Deidara, on the other hand, could already have a fairly large enough article, but we should watch his development for a little more. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares

I'm confused
ok,in chapter 360((lastest chapter i think)),it showed deidara right eye and both him and his clay clone were missing the camara thing. so what happened,i rember him always having the camara, did he lose it during the battle or somthing,some help me out here.Allen Walker 16:56, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * He probably took it off. It's not like it's surgically attached or anything. Ansalo 01:53, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Zetsus village
I have heard that Zetsu came from Kusagakure. Is that right, cause his sektion dosen't say anything about it.


 * Rumors. We originally had a picture show it, but it was proven to be a fan-inclusion.  Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 18:42, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Itachi gets a aricle and Deidara doesent?
the onley things Itachi ha ever done is beat up Sasuke beat up Kakashi. Donated chackra to mke a replica of himself. ad thats about it

while Deidara has defeted Gaara. was chaised by Kakashi and co. has had a flash back telling how he had joined the ataksuki. helped fighgt the 3-tail with Tobi and in the newest chapters he is fighting Sasuke.

so come on Deidara has dont much more then Itachi has so why cant Deidara get an article while Itachi can?

24.176.161.51 19:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Because we know more about Itachi than we do Deidara. Just wait until he's dead. --tjstrf talk 20:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Or unless he survives another 50 chapters, then he'll probably get one. And the main part of the reason he doesn't have one is because no one has tried to give him one. I'm in the process of making a sceleton for an article about him (like what I did with Itachi) but I want to wait a few more chapters so I know how the Sasuke battle ends. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares


 * It looks like Deidara will be taken out of the equation shortly, so he might get an article in a week or two. Then people can stop complaining about him not having one.Ikani87 00:47, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

look at this
i put this up in my sandbox first,just incase you didn't like it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Allen_Walker/Sandbox Its a main article for Deidara,people kept asking for it to be made,and i personally thought there was enough info,if you guys like it, i'll go ahead and create it Allen Walker 9:38, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, some of the grammar there does seem to be mistakes, and quite honestly, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Artist_Formerly_Known_As_Whocares/ItachiSandbox is more along the lines of Wikipedian material.
 * Also, Deidara won't be getting an article now, seeing as how most of the other are getting deleted. I'm not complaining, however. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 12:59 (Eastern Standard Time), 6 July 2007

sorry,i didn't know someone had made a sandbox for him alredy,i wouldn't of tried this if i did. i went and deleted mine Allen Walker 12:28, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * No one knew, I actually kept it to myself really. I wanted to see how the merging articles thing went along, but now it seems that Deidara won't get an article. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 13:33 (Eastern Standard Time), 6 July 2007

Kakuzu
So... wait after moving everything to his own article now it's going to move back? Where's the reasoning/discussion about this? Are we going back to only certain members having their own articles now? The Splendiferous Gegiford 18:40, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Discussions are staggered across multiple talk pages, though the most relevant one is here. Basically, we're cutting back on who gets an article and who doesn't. Kakuzu didn't really need an article in the first place so he gets to lose his. ~SnapperTo 18:46, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * And it is also possible that other member's pages will be merged here, too. Although Sasori and Itachi could be safe, it looks very downhill for Hidan. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 3:30 (Eastern Standard Time), 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Splitting the article?
I don't really mean to sound bossy, and I'm only suggesting this, but would it be a good idea to split the article? It's already the largest Naruto article we have besides the Konoha ninja, and by splitting it there are several advantages. If the members section has its own page, than we could detial them more, and it would also help with removing the in-universe information from this page. The character sections will eventually get longer, and merging Kakuzu back here didn't help with size. It's only a suggestion, but please take it into consideration. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 3:33 (Eastern Standard Time), 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Could I also make a suggestion that information be updated more quickly? It's been a few weeks already but there is no/little information about the fight between Deidara and Sasuke and what happened there. A(S)XiaoXShekki 16:41(Eastern Standard time), 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I find that quite odd. Every time anyone tries to add the fight to Sasuke there, somebody removes it. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 16:47 (Eastern Standard time), 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * No plot anymore here. And I've made a prototype too. Sam ov the blue sand 21:09, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Deidara Update
I would just like to remind that much has happened as Deidara and Sasuke faught (still fighting?) However, I don't see anything about Deidara's C4 Garuda when he fights Sasuke.

Also, I would like to point out that we actually see Deidara's C4 Garuda earlier when Deidara fights Naruto, Kakashi, Neji, Gai, etc. We see a clay Deidara exploding in the same fashion as the C4 Garuda but Kakashi is able to use his M.Sharingan to nullify the bomb (I will cite exactly what chapter it happens once NMR goes back online for me to check up the fact). I would update the info myself, but unfortunately I can't edit the page. A(S)XiaoXShekki 06:23, 9 July 2007 (UTC) A(S)XiaoXShekki 2:27EST July 9, 07


 * No, that's not what Suicide Deidara clone was. That was one giant bomb, not millions of microscopic ones. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I just want to make sure, Deidare used C3 against Gaara right? When he used the big sculpture to blow up the village. So C1 c2 c3 c4 was shown. I think it should be included -ScotchMB 02:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, C3 was against Gaara. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:25, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * As of Chapter 362, we know for sure that Deidara also has a clay mouth thing on his chest.81.132.163.12 16:48, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

With sharper teeth, and apparently he uses that mouth to detonate himself.124.244.235.206 12:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I stand corrected. A(S)XiaoXShekki

Rings special abilitie?
This page say that the ring has a special hability, and there is only 9 members beucase Orochimaru left.

Wrong, Deidara replaced Orochimaru and they have different rings, what means that before Orochimaru leaves with the rings there was only 9 members.

Say that the rings are special and there is only 9 members because Orochimaru takes the ring is putting and weird fan-made non confirmed theory on this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilovefoxes (talk • contribs)


 * Here's a hint: check the page history to make sure someone hasn't vandalized it, or simply learn to read before complaining, because the page doesn't say anything like what you're saying. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:19, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

"Orochimaru, however, has yet to be replaced, despite having left the group several years before its initial introduction; this is likely because Orochimaru took his Akatsuki ring with him when he left."

Here is it. And more: Deidara replaces Orochimaru after he left, and Deidara has a different ring. Wich mean that there was even nine members before Orochimaru left. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilovefoxes (talk • contribs)


 * No, Deidara is recruited as Sasori's next partner. He does not explicitly replace Orochimaru. Get your facts straight. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:26, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * In addition, why would the sealing statue have 10 fingers if there are only 9 members? ~SnapperTo 01:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

"He does not explicitly replace Orochimaru"

Orochimaru was Sasori partner, Sasori said while meet Deidara first time "make this brat my partner", Deidara replaces Orochimaru.

"In addition, why would the sealing statue have 10 fingers if there are only 9 members?"

I don't know. But there was 9 members even with Orochimaru in. Jiraya said that Akatsuki was formed from 9 members.

There was 9 members because there was no Deidara but Orochimaru was in, Orochimaru left (8) and Deidara get in (9 again), Sasori left (8) and Tobi get in (9). It is even 9 members, no matter the hand has 10 spaces and there is 10 rings.

All we can say is "there was even nine members in Akatsuki, either with ten rings and spaces in the hands", saying that there is nine because Orochimaru take the rings is a fanfic theory that doesn't consists with all the facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilovefoxes (talk • contribs)


 * When you misinterpret the facts, then it sure would sound like a fanfic. You're not even listening, and it's sad. Deidara does not replace Orochimaru. Replacing Orochimaru would require them using the same ring, which they don't. They haven't picked up another member for Orchimaru, so it's an accurate statement. In short, quit complaining when you haven't even read the paragraph correctly, because your whole argument is based on some non-existent "ability" text. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:42, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * To expand on that, Deidara was clearly a member when Orochimaru was, since he knows the guy and wants to kill him, so there's your ten count. That Orochimaru switched partners is of little consequence. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 06:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * "Replacing Orochimaru would require them using the same ring, which they don't."

Or rings have no special hability and he replace Orochimaru because takes Orochimaru place as Sasori partner.


 * "To expand on that, Deidara was clearly a member when Orochimaru was, since he knows the guy and wants to kill him, so there's your ten count."

Or he want to kill Orochimaru because Orochimaru left the organization. Orochimaru left the organization.


 * "That Orochimaru switched partners is of little consequence. "

So you are using that members of Akatsuki change non-dead partners on your "god like argumentation" as a base while that was never shown in the series? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilovefoxes (talk • contribs)


 * Your argumentation is little better. Because you have yet to see 10 members at once you interpret that to mean there are only 9 at most and make up a bunch of reasoning that has never been stated in the series. If rings weren't important, Tobi wouldn't have needed to find Sasori's ring before he could be a member. If rings weren't important, Deidara could have gotten a new ring after his arm fell off and wouldn't have needed to go looking for his arm just to get his ring back. If rings weren't important, the finger of the sealing statue that Orochimaru once occupied would have been replaced by another member by now. There are 10 different rings and there are 10 different fingers; I see no 9 in the equation, so obviously Akatsuki has 10 members when at its fullest. ~SnapperTo 20:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * "Your argumentation is little better. Because you have yet to see 10 members at once you interpret that to mean there are only 9 at most and make up a bunch of reasoning that has never been stated in the series."
 * And what's about your argument? "Tobi is Obito, it just doesn't shown yet and is easy interpret that isn't."


 * "If rings weren't important, Tobi wouldn't have needed to find Sasori's ring before he could be a member."
 * He need to do that? He just say "I found it, I found it Zetsu-san!!", they never said that you can only enter on Akatsuki if you have a ring.


 * "If rings weren't important, Deidara could have gotten a new ring after his arm fell off and wouldn't have needed to go looking for his arm just to get his ring back."
 * Or Deidara wants his arm because it's his his arm? Because he don't want to be a person with no arms? Or because all his jutsus depends of his arms?


 * "If rings weren't important, the finger of the sealing statue that Orochimaru once occupied would have been replaced by another member by now."
 * Or it's another reason? Why this unconfirmed theory is better than any another? This article isn't killing theories about who is Tobi or leader?


 * "There are 10 different rings and there are 10 different fingers; I see no 9 in the equation, so obviously Akatsuki has 10 members when at its fullest."
 * I see a 9 in the equation: there is 9 members.


 * You cannot verify that Tobi is Obito, as it is never explicitly stated or implied in the series. Mere resemblance is not sufficient. On that note, when Tobi found Sasori's ring, he believed he could become a member of Akatsuki, and he does. Chapter 280, page 19 to be exact. As for Deidara's arm, when Deidara states he wishes to search for it, he notes that he wants his arm and the ring. If the ring was of no concern, his arm would be the only thing on his mind, yet the ring must be important for him to mention it. The ring issue in regards to the statue is more or less obvious. If the ring was irrelevant, he would have been replaced already, and Tobi and Deidara would not treat the rings with the same amount of concern as they did. When sealing Gaara, Kisame notes that Orochimaru's absence means that the ceremony will take longer, or rather, due to the lack of all ten members are present at the sealing ceremony. If Orochimaru could be replaced and another ring made, then it would have been done already to ensure efficiency for the sealing ceremony.  Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 03:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * "when Tobi found Sasori's ring, he believed he could become a member of Akatsuki"


 * No, after Sasori death, nothing related to the ring was shown.


 * "he notes that he wants his arm and the ring. If the ring was of no concern, his arm would be the only thing on his mind, yet the ring must be important for him to mention it."


 * No, he say "I will search the arm with the ring" not "the arm and the ring". The arm was with the ring, there is nothing special he saying that.


 * "The ring issue in regards to the statue is more or less obvious."


 * Or not.


 * "If the ring was irrelevant, he would have been replaced already"


 * Or there is another reason. I could use the theory that the Bijuus will be sealed over Akatsuki members, and that's why there is even 9, wich would explain why there was 9 members before Orochimaru lefts wich the ring theory doesn't, but it is just a fanmade unconfirmed theory and I wouldn't do that.


 * "and Tobi and Deidara would not treat the rings with the same amount of concern as they did."


 * They don't treat like that. Even if was, Naruto threat it's head protector with concern, but nobody says that if he left the head protector he couldn't be a Shinobi or he would die.


 * "When sealing Gaara, Kisame notes that Orochimaru's absence means that the ceremony will take longer, or rather, due to the lack of all ten members are present at the sealing ceremony. If Orochimaru could be replaced and another ring made, then it would have been done already to ensure efficiency for the sealing ceremony."


 * He said "if Orochimaru was here, it would be faster" which could mean that Orochimaru has more habilities or chakra than Deidara. Kisame didn't explain why would be better Orochimaru be with them.


 * Before you continue your incoherent ranting, remember that theories don't equal fact. We have facts, you don't. You're just ignoring the obvious now so you sound like you have a point. Tobi does pick up the ring, Deidara does speak of the ring specifically, because he had only one arm to find, and your head protector argument is just a fallacy altogether. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 09:45, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Zetsu's picture
Where did it go?Ikani87 22:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * New picture added, but then it was deleted because it was WP:NONFREE content that didn't conform to policy. I have reinstated the previous image. –Gunslinger47 00:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The old one is inaccurate as it has Zetsu's black mouth open, though. A new one will have to be uploaded eventually. The Splendiferous Gegiford 01:10, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I actually prefer this new picture, it shows Zetsu's natural colors. The other one made him look like blue, he's supposed to be green. I know this one will have to be replaced, but please at least get one that has his correct colorings. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 13:48 (Eastern Standard Time), 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Goal
The Akatsuki Goal has been outdated, Kabuto has directly stated that Akatsuki plans on using the tailed beasts to summon a god-like warrior for their world domination plan. Strangely, every time that someone has triedto put that there, it was edited out. Why? Shouldn't we have all available information that matters? And anything that has to do with their goal certainly matters. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 1:53 (Eastern Standard Time), 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * As I have said before, nothing of the sort is ever said, which is why it is removed whenever you add it. When last you asked about this Gunslinger removed this question before you saw the answer apparently, so hopefully he will wait this time until you have replied at least. ~SnapperTo 19:15, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Kabuto Never states that. Dementor654


 * Really, he didn't? Sorry, it seems the tranlastion I read wasn't the real translation, Kabuto said something about them summoning a god-like warrior when he gave Naruto the book in my translation. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 14:01 (Eastern Standard Time), 14 July 2007 (UTC)

In all honestly, artist formerly known as whocares, you're probably right, that almost certainly, or some minor variant on that theme, will be the truth, and probably will be contained in kabuto's book he gave to naruto. However it has not as yet been stated, they're right about that. Patience!

67.175.45.138 02:12, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Deceased
Deidara is dead as of chapter 362(self-destruction) In knowing this,I have moved him to the former members section, and am giving him his own article. Please don't change the edit, as it is correct and valid.Busboy 22:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Good luck. Also, be sure to create a short description for this article, like Itachi and Hidan have.Ikani87 22:35, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think he's dead, but we don't know for sure do we? Naruto characters have a nasty habit of turning out to be alive. 217.42.222.102 22:48, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This isn't like when Deidara made an exploding clone and escaped underground. He blew himself up. Look at the page before the big explosion in chapter 362. It looks like he was absorbed into the bomb before it detonated.Ikani87 22:52, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I tried to make diedara his own article, yet cannot as his name constantly redirects to akatsuki. How can I stop this so he can finally get his own article?Busboy 22:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ikani, I agree, but shouldn't we wait for official confirmation? There are several characters who 'must have died' and then didn't. 217.42.222.102 23:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * True, but even if he survived, Deidara has enough information about him to warrant him having his own article anyway. We can hammer out the details about his status later.Ikani87 23:07, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Given that we have no definite idea on whether he is alive or dead, no information on his status can be put as of now. And to people who are trying to make an article for him, I highly discourage any actions of the sort until a consensus can be gained on this page. Given the recent mergers, and the lack of out-of-universe information that can be gathered on any of these characters, I would recommend that he simply remains part of the list.  Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 23:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Or, what you said. I think we're supposed to get a double chapter next week anyway (I read it somewhere, don't quote me on this). So maybe we'll get a definitive answer then.Ikani87 23:16, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd say we wait one more week... Sure, he's gonna die any moment now/is already dead, but I'd rather wait one more week just to be sure... Speaking of the Former Members section, what is that godforsakenly long Kakuzu section doing there, I thought he had an article of his own to party out on? 81.228.148.208 23:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what the plan is for this article. Some people say all former members get their own articles for organizational purposes. Then, Kakuzu's article gets merged back into this one. It's rather messy.Ikani87 23:21, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * More like godforsakenly, enormously messy. Seriously, who was the person who decided to give all former members their own articles except Kakuzu. It looks awful in the Akatsuki article and is quite discontinuous. I also would SUPPORT a Deidara article now as he has done enough to warrant his own site, let alone his own article. He has done far more than any other Akatsuki member and has even had flashbacks. Let's give the kiddies what they want, otherwise we'll just be behind a week when it is confirmed that he is dead. And even if he is not dead, he still has done enough. The great kawa 00:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Please, once again, stop changing his status into deceased. Even I think his dead but we don't have enough proof. Please just hold out until next week. -ScotchMB 13:03, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

If he's dead, he will be just as dead in 5 days. If he isn't, nobody needs to feel silly about being wrong ^_^ --216.13.92.198 15:24, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll wait a few hours to change it to "Unconfirmed", like what was done when Kakuzu was in this situation, in case anyone has any objections. And I, too, support him getting an article, and I'll make a discussion page over him getting an article or not in a few minutes. I have just created a page where we can discuss him getting an article or not here.User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 13:05 (Eastern Standard Time), 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Chapter 363 clarifies in great detail that Deidara is officially dead, even to the point that the AL requests they mourn him. Shallon Michaels 18:57, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Creepy Chest-Mouth
Shouldn't the clay-eating mouth over Deidara's left pectoral be added to his defining characteristics? I'd say it's pretty, y'know, "defining."


 * ... which is why it's already listed there. ~SnapperTo 07:31, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That's funny. Did you just add that in there? Funny guy.


 * It was added a few hours ago, but thank you for the compliment. My vanity has not been needlessly inflated enough today. ~SnapperTo 07:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair use images
The number of images should probably be cut down. Nineteen is excessive for an article that doesn't even establish itself as a truly independent topic (and just in general anyways). TTN 20:08, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I disagree. Sure, Deidara's mouth palm image isn't needed (though DO NOT delete the image until the discussion over his article is completed) very much unless we also get one that also shows his chest along with his hands, but the one for the Sealing Statue and the diagram for their positions are still useful, along with a few others, even if a rule on Wikipedia that is supposed to guide ALL articles on Wikipedia (which will lead to some conflict overtime) disagrees. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 17:34 (Eastern Standard Time), 14 Huly 2007 (UTC)


 * Useful does not equal necessary. A number of these images are adequately described through the text. ~SnapperTo 21:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Deidara's bout with Sasuke
Why hasnt someone mention his battle with Sasuke and these recent chapters. If you can add the justus he did, then you can right about it their fight. The samething in Sasuke article, their no mention of their fight. Also deidara is dead he just killed himself with that latest justu in chapter 362. If sasori and itachi could have their own seperate articles so can deidara. Deidara has became very important in the naruto story line.


 * Deidara isn't dead yet. He will die, we all know he will, but he's not dead yet. Why should we add him to the former members section if he isn't a former member yet? That's just silly.

-Cathy

Deidara's Death
He says it right here in this link below http://www.islandne.com/online/?g2_itemId=12185


 * He has also appeared to commit suicide before, though that turned out to be a clone of himself. Just wait a week. ~SnapperTo 20:56, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

How come diedara said sorry tobi?


 * Mabye Tobi would die in the explosion too. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 17:36 (Eastern Standard Time), 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Or he felt sorry for leaving him since Tobi likes him so much as a sempai. Sam ov the blue sand 01:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Before anyone says anything about merges or Deidara
A)The merges were done because their pages sucked and merging them wouldn't lose important information. B)There is currently a discussion gonig on about Deidara getting an article or not. C)Deidara has not yet been PROVEN dead, only by next chapter will we know.

User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 17:02 (Eastern Standard Time), 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, the chapter's out, and now we can finally be sure about two things-


 * a) Deidara is a guy.

--82.81.36.118 22:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * b) Deidara is deceased.


 * By next chapter I meant a week from now. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 12:10 (Eastern Standard Time), 15 July 2007 (UTC)

get use to it
Look man just get use to the fact that he's dead. We dont have to wait till chapter 363. The article even says it. He truns himself into a bomb as a last resort. He's dead so dont boo hoo about it. Alright little boy


 * Anyone could have put that there, even you. And we should wait until Chapter 363 anyway, because by that time it will finally be decided if Deidara gets an article or not. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 17:25 (Eastern Standard Time), 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * How could I put it there, if I checked the last person who updated it dumbass

-CBunZ15

Deidara Article Discussion
Click the link in the title if you want to take part in the discussion over whether or not Deidara should get a page. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 17:56 (Eastern Standard Time), 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Uh, that isn't the right place for that (it goes right on the WP page) or even the correct use of WP:AfC. It is to let unregistered users suggest articles. It has nothing to do with voting to create one. TTN 22:15, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, it wasn't? Sorry, I've seen discussion articles made soley to discuss either creating or merging a page, and I guess I got ahead of myself. We should still discuss him getting an article, though, as this Deidara thing is getting out of hand. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 13:15 (Eastern Standard Time), 15 July 2007 (UTC)

It's Not Even Funny...
How dead Deidara is. It's basically common sense that he was at his last resort and committed suicide just to destroy Sasuke and his "eyes"... His status should really be changed to deceased, but if everyone wants to just be positive and believe Kishimoto will keep him in the series, fine. Ch0zen1 15:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Or you could change it to "not yet determined" or something like that. His fate will probably be revealed next chapter. 24.229.191.54 00:15, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * WP:V. You have no source that he actually is dead. That and he blew himself up last time and ended up alive.  Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 00:33, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It may be quite obvious, hell I don't want to admit it and I know it to be true. Regardless, we can't really confirm it aside from conjecture. When the dust settles and Deidara is being breathed in by everyone in the country, then we'll declare his self-exploding self dead. Now to rant: why did he have to die? He's like the best character in the series apart from Naruto, even above him according to popularity polls. Man this pisses me off. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:46, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Im not going to lie Deidara was an awesome character in the series. In the latest chapter we seen him turn into that little black bomb thingy. isnt that enough.-CBunZ15


 * No, because he. at the very least, is still in the middle of exploding. After the fact is when we confirm it. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * No. We quite literally saw Deidara disappear before our eyes and get absorbed into the large mouth over his heart. The explosion is irrelevant, he's already gone.

Now I REALLY wish Sasuke would just die already...75.26.191.181 19:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Why say that?? Ok, Sasuke was a really annoying character before the time skip, but now i really like him. He's got style. And he has a cool sword :D I like Deidara and all but Sasuke is basically a way stronger ninja. You can't expect many Akatsuki members to survive very much longer. The series must end sometime and it's going to be happening relatively soon. You can just tell. 82.69.83.28 14:46, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

An article for Deidara
I know this is a touchy subject but I have a nag for these things. ^_^ But I've seen other people with their versions of what it should look like so here's mine. Sam ov the blue sand 03:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Deidera's death
obviously, his status remains active(for the meantime), you can't declare "deceased" today if that person is about to die next weak... and regarding tobi(which hasnt shown any abilities whatsoever), will not die in the blast... he just won't, he can find a way to negate the deadly explosion...


 * Exactly my thoughts. Well said. -Cathy

Updated Deidara's profile
Having gone through the Discussion Board and due to the fact that no one decided to update Deidara's profile, I decided to do it myself (I hope it's fine w/ you guys/gals. If not, I apologize). The following is what I updated and error checking would be appreciated:

"After news of Orochimaru's death at Sasuke's hands, the Akatsuki leader warns all the remaining members, especially Itachi and Kisame, to be aware that Sasuke might try to disrupt their plans. Deidara becomes annoyed at this news, stating that Orochimaru was supposed to be his target and hence vows to kill Sasuke if he is ever to run into him.  As fate would have it, Deidara and Tobi run into Sasuke and the three battle, though Tobi remains fairly inactive and is only seen planting Deidara's mines.  In this battle, Deidara utilizes his C4 Garuda against Sasuke, but Sasuke is able to neutralize the attack against him twice; the first being a giant clay clone in which Sasuke escapes the radius of the micro-bombs and the second in which Sasuke escapes encapsulation by using Chidori on himself to neutralize micro-bombs into duds.  Almost drained of chakra, Deidara becomes infuriated that his explosive "art" was once again bested by the art of the Sharingan. Deidara further questions Sasuke on how Sasuke was able to so rapidly discover the weakness to the explosive "art" and Sasuke's brilliance further angers Deidara. As so, Deidara uses "Self Destruction", a suicide jitsu that explodes for more than 10 kilometers, and is presumed dead as of now. Sasuke's status is still unknown."

Again, double checking would be appreciated. And oh, someone should probably move Deidara to the "Former Members Section" since Deidara has just used his "Self Destruction" jitsu. But then again, I wouldn't be surprised if Deidara somehow survived. . . because surely Sasuke and the rest of Naruto's team are alive, or there would be no more Naruto story obviously. A(S)XiaoXShekki 06:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * When he dies, not before. He's not dead yet. Dying/exploding, but not dead. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * He was absorbed into the core of the bomb. The bomb detonated. According to my calculations... Ikani87 07:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You're dealing with a world where people can produce clones out of water, turn clay into explosives, and resurrect the dead in neat little coffins from nowhere. Wait until the explosion finishes. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I was under the impression that the coffins were the very same coffins the respective Kage were buried in, though I suppose that has absolutely nothing to do with Deidara. ~SnapperTo 07:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That would make more sense. "Neatly transport the coffin of a dead person and resurrect them" then. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

So I'd like to know why someone deleted everything that I wrote. If this topic is protected, then fine, I won't edit stuff in the future. However, if this topic is semi-protected, then I should be allowed to edit stuff. Either way, updating is taking WAY too long and I was just trying to speed up that ridiculously slow process. A(S)XiaoXShekki 13:12, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * As Someguy kind of said, wait for his death to be confirmed before adding a summary of the battle. ~SnapperTo 20:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm. Alright. It's just kinda odd that we can't add information about the battle until it's over.A(S)XiaoXShekki 13:08, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It's for the best. If we make sure the character isn't going to do anymore fighting we avoid having summaries of five different battles that are of little consequence to the actual character. ~SnapperTo 17:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

What's with all the Merging?!
Alright, could someone PLEASE point me in the direction of the discussion and subsequent vote for merging all former member articles into this article? If there is none, then by all means please tell me why after everyone seemed to agree that former members should have their own articles, all these articles are being merged back. After Itachi dies, should we simply merge him back into the Akatsuki article? I can let Orochimaru have his own article (because he is no longer affiliated with Akatsuki and drove the plot since the beginning), but all others including Itachi, Kisame, and the Akatsuki leader should be kept in the Akatsuki article if this is the way we now wish to proceed. Discuss these things first people!!! As it's going now, the page is getting bulky and unwieldy (with some members having their own articles and others not having their own articles). I ENDORSE former members EACH having their own articles and we can fill them out as needed. A lack of written info shouldn't be an excuse, as the articles will grow in time with member contributions. The great kawa 13:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It WAS Discussed, in the List of characters in Naruto discussion page. As per usual, only a few people are active in the discussions, nobody else watches them. The only member who can't be merged is Itachi, as the last time he was here about 1/2-1/3 of his information was missing, and in reality it was just his history in the Uchiha Clan with a paragraph about his abilities thrown in as a little gift, the merge just didn't work with him. And is any information lost from the mergings? No. All of it is there, we have lost no information. And I have no idea what you mean with that last sentence. If you mean "the articles weren't big enough shouldn't be an excuse...", they weren't big enough, and they never would have gotten any bigger, as they were dead. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 16:23 (Eastern Standard Time), 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * And why weren't they brought up for discussion here? This is the page profiling Akatsuki and its members, is it not? There was not even a blurb mentioning the merges or related discussions here until after I asked for one. I am just afraid that the mergings will a.) cut back from the info available on the characters (if no info was cut in terms of length, then that would address this), b.) make the Akatsuki article unwieldy and eclectic (the article is about the organization, including each member's biography and info detracts from that purpose, that is why individual character articles are encouraged; not to mention the odd format of some members having separate articles and some not). And character info can become available after their death, also the phrasing and presentation of the info can be changed to expand on the contents of the article.  The great kawa  21:03, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It was brought up earlier under Kakuzu. Fear A is nothing to worry about, and fear B is not going to be solved by giving each member their own article. ~SnapperTo 21:11, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Slanted Eyes
I'm not sure if this is notable or not, but it looks like the unnamed member's eyes a slanted more than usual, especially for a manga/anime character. Should this be added? User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 17:00 (Eastern Standard Time), 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Minor feature and not really a defining trait of any kind. It's not like the leader's eyes or Deidara's scope.  Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 23:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

This is getting annoying
Look. You and I both know that Deidara will die. But until it's confirmed, WE CAN'T ADD HIM TO THE FORMER MEMBERS SECTION. He's not dead yet. Get that through your head.

The new chapter is in three days, come on, three days!

Please wait.

-Cathy
 * Seriously, coming to the talk page and finding like ten different topics all arguing whether or not he's dead is pretty funny. For goodness sakes people, wikipedia's goal is to have well written and informative articles, NOT to have to update every piece of information the SECOND it's scanned and smuggled into the country.  What's the harm in waiting to make sure we have the best information?  The sky is not going to fall if we go a few weeks with the article not mentioning what species of flower Pein has in her hair.

Pein and the Unnamed Member
http://i13.tinypic.com/4m9506e.png (MQ)

http://i13.tinypic.com/4oqiu05.jpg

http://i10.tinypic.com/61nqt5l.jpg

http://i8.tinypic.com/4yioz6c.jpg

http://i17.tinypic.com/54btzx3.jpg (HQ)


 * Nice. Wait for the entire raw to come out. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 08:57, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Spoiler

Deidara's explosion shocks both Naruto's group and Akatsuki. They remark on it's enormity.

It then goes to Akatsuki's group. Kisame-san and Itachi are having a conversation with a strange voice.

Kisame-san (with a cool expression)- "Well well, another one of us bit the dust. And I thought he was pretty strong too. There's something I seem to be forgetting though..."

Strange Voice- "It looks like Tobi died too."

Kisame- "Right, right, Tobi, that was it. Still, I'm surprised that the coward wasn't able to outrun that...sure must have been one hell of a jutsu."

-Tobi....

Suigetsu calls over to Sasuke with Kuchiyose no jutsu (summoning technique) Manda comes out. Sasuke applies a genjutsu to Manda and enters his body.

Sasuke-san looks messed up though.

And then, finally what looks to be the Akatsuki leader makes an appearance. He calls over to the Akatsuki woman, "Pein" [pronounced "Payne"]

The Akatsuki woman comes out afterwards. However, now it seems as if there's someone else above them who's pulling the strings.

"You will hunt. As the leader, I won't accept a failure"

And it ends with those orders being given.


 * @Someguy: If we know it to be true there's no reason to wait for the raw. I don't see the point in that, especially since it's not like the raw is the "official" release of the chapter. The Splendiferous Gegiford 16:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * This is a confirmed spoiler and yes her name is Pein... we should wait for Manga to come out for official spelling.
 * There is no further "official" spelling than ペイン. Unless you want to wait for Viz's English version to get this far. The Splendiferous Gegiford 17:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Alright, Jesus Christ, didn't see that... cool down.


 * Still Deidara may not have died it could have been a clone + Tobi might have outrun it dont be to sure.


 * The confirmed spoiler said Deidara died and Tobi well in they spoiler it seems like they contradict his faith so we can't really say he's dead or not


 * What about the so-called true Leader? Shouldn't he be mentioned in passing?


 * Pein apperently be the name of the leader according to the most recent spoilers. There seems that there is a good deal of confusion in these translations, and we really shouldn't put up the spoilers as fact yet.


 * Yep, this is exactly why it's better to wait and play it safe instead of rushing to update the second some scans hit the net. Way too many people thought the female was the one named Pein and that she was being ordered around by the leader.  Now we know that Pein and her were both being ordered around by some further mysterious dude... who we also shouldn't rush to identify since we have no information yet.  Of course, it's totally 100% obvious that Pein is Naruto from Earth-5 and the true boss is the Anti-Monitor from the anti-matter universe, but I'll keep that to myself.