Talk:Akhbari

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Man, point 17 in this is really weird... are they really akhbari? --Striver - talk 22:03, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I've never heard of the terms Akhbari/Usuli before encountering them here. I couldn't find any contradiction to these claims on the internet. Any other website of this group would be good for verifying these beliefs.--Gerash77 00:47, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

13. Subtractions and alterations were made in Holy Quran.

14. Gaining knowledge about divinity (Marefate Noorania) of Prophet Mohammed (S.A) and His Progeny (A.S). Is compulsory

17. Salvation is only through deep love and affection for Imam Ali (A.S) and through gaining knowledge of his divinity. (Practices (aamal) are intensively demanded).

Akhbari twelver shia (as generally called by usooli) are actually in majority in pakistan and India. however they use the term twelver shia in general for them therefore most of them are unaware of the term akhbari same is the case with usooli. they also count themselves in twelver shia in pakistan and India. 111.119.183.25 (talk) 06:16, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

POV
This article is written entirely from the Akhbari point of view. Can the language be toned down a bit, and references inserted from neutral works of scholarship? --Sir Myles na Gopaleen (the da) 16:48, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I have attempted to tone down the POV and make the lead more accessable to non-Muslims. --BoogaLouie (talk) 16:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Fact checking
It was the weakness of the Safavid state that led to a backlash against Usooli thought and a revival of Akhbari thought at the beginning of the eighteenth century. The defeat of the Safavids undermined the state-centric Usoolis, who lacked their sponsors. The Safavid state was undermined primarily because of the destruction wrought by the Afghan invasion of 1722 rather than by western imperialism - in fact the Safavid's dominance of the Gulf in the seventeenth century when they evicted the Portuguese from Hormuz was achieved through an alliance with Britain. Readers and Writers (talk) 14:42, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Still POV?
Does this still need POV work or can we remove the POV tag? RJFJR (talk) 23:25, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

I've removed the NPOV template, please use for sections or  for sentences, then detail issues here. This will help address them in a timely manner. - RoyBoy 01:01, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Physical Challenge
In the current article it says:

"It was Muhammad Baqir ibn Muhammad Akmal al-Wahid Bihbahani who challenged and defeated (by use of physical force, his militia called mirghadabs) the Akhbaris and eventually became the most politically influential cleric in Karbala in 1772. Bihbahani's theology was not welcomed by the Akhbaris. Although this controversy had begun as a minor disagreement on a few points, it eventually grew into a bitter, vituperative dispute culminating in Bihbahani's declaration that the Akhbārīs were infidels(Kuffar).[7]"

However, the claim of physical challenge is not supported by the source provided:

"At first, the Akhbaris predominated at the shrine cities Iraq bu it was Bihbahani who, at the end of the 18th century, reversed this and indeed completely routed the Akhbaris at Karbala and Najaf. South Iraq, Bahrain and a few cities in Iran such as Kirman remaned akhbari strongholds for a few more decades but eventually the Usuli triumph was complete and only a handful of Shi'i ulama have remained Akhbari to the present day."--Kazemita1 (talk) 16:02, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

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