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This article is fabricated based on opinion and not facts. While she may have been a capable pilot she was not a first in Iran. These 3 were: http://women.ncr-iran.org/famous-women/1831-the-first-women-pilots-in-iran


 * This citation reads she was one of the first women awarded an Iranian pilots license, not the first pilot. Jooojay (talk) 04:41, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Fluffing and possible COI
This article appears to have a lot of fluffing happening and edit warring. Possible that one or more editors have a Conflict of interest. Many of her book publications are self published under the name "Akram Monfared Arya" sometimes shown as "Akram Arya" or "A. Arya". Her fine art/artwork seems to also be fluffed with local or national exhibitions in Sweden, no international exhibitions. Jooojay (talk) 17:29, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * She appears to have been active as a politician in Sweden, but I did not do the research on this yet. I think it would be valuable to add that in, if there are citations elaborating this claim. I have a hard time determining notability, this article has missing citations and fluff. Jooojay (talk) 17:40, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Why are we posting or allowing wrong info to be posted in Wikipedia!! re: first female pilot in Iran
She has been referenced as being the first or 2nd woman pilot and she is not. Women were granted pilot license in Iran during the 1940s and beyond. Princess Pahlavi wasn't either. These women were https://women.ncr-iran.org/famous-women/1831-the-first-women-pilots-in-iran. Why is Wikipedia allowing wrong information to be posted when clear poof has been presented? This woman is taking credit for something she did not do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.198.223.107 (talk) 19:39, 24 May 2018 (UTC)


 * The sentence currently reads, "she was the second woman to earn a pilots licensed to fly aircraft in Iran, with the first woman earning the title being Princess Fatemeh Pahlavi." and it has two citations mentioning pilot licenses in Iran. Nothing in the source you're providing says anything about pilot licenses (199.198.223.107), it only mentions female pilots. You can be a pilot without a license - which makes this argument is invalid, until we have a source to support it. After in which, we would discuss here as a group on the talk page. Please stop vandalizing/edit warring on the article. Jooojay (talk) 19:16, 25 May 2018 (U


 * YES it does...obviously it wasnt read properly: "In September 19, 1943, after completing her training flights and scientific courses, she and 21 other students received their pilot’s licenses."
 * Please read the reference carefully first.

Please don't use bouncing IPs, edit warring and an inappropriate tone (or all CAPS), lets keep this conversation civil and respectful 209.171.88.204. No mention of what type of pilot's license was used for in your citation, who is the licensing party (are they even the same)? From your citation it sounds like it was a pilot's license from the "Flying Club". This citation says, "The first three women who were licensed to fly at that time were Effat Tejaratchi, Ina Afshid (or Avshid) and Sadigheh Dowlatshahi." which sounds like the licensing was from "Iranian Aero Club". The article continues, "The start of Iranian Airways operations in 1946 brought about the need for a government department to oversee the aviation national and international affairs in Iran. As a result, by a decree of Ghavam-o-saltaneh government, the Department General of Civil Aviation came into being within the ministry of road, which at beginning was located in Shamsol-emareh, a historical palace built in Tehran in 1865." So these three women named were the first three Iranian women that flew planes, but their pilot's licenses are most likely not the same type as Arya's. Arya started her pilot licensing in 1975, which would be during Iran's Civil Aviation Organization. Jooojay (talk) 17:31, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

That is an incorrect assumption. During the 1940's the British and US Air Force were mandating the Iranian skies as a counter to German influence. There were no flying clubs back then in Iran. We are talking about a 3rd world country. The license would have come from either the British or American mandate. Please familiarize yourself with the Iran's history during the 1940s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.156.117.166 (talk) 00:37, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Either way 69.156.117.166, this is not the same pilot's license. So why are you insisting without even having any of the sources? Jooojay (talk) 03:30, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

The argument is not about the type of license, rather it is about who was the first/2nd woman in Iran that received a pilot license. The reference should be made that she might be one of the few that recieved her license during the Shah's reign. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.156.117.166 (talk) 18:58, 27 May 2018 (UTC) The argument is not about the type of license, rather it is about who was the first/2nd woman in Iran that received a pilot license. The reference should be made that she might be one of the few that received her license during the Shah's reign and women were licensed as a pilot before that in Iran. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.156.117.166 (talk) 18:59, 27 May 2018 (UTC)


 * 69.156.117.166 - I agree with you, but we need that citation first that shows that fact. I encourage you to find it and add it here on the talk page (so it can be added to the article). Jooojay (talk) 23:39, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Edit warring and bouncing IPs
The same user is edit warring and using bouncing IPs. This article may need protections in the future. Jooojay (talk) 03:32, 27 May 2018 (UTC)