Talk:Akron, Ohio/Archive 1

Suggestions
We need to add the zoo to the section on culture! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.227.219.84 (talk) 06:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

i think you should add more to akron ohio iyt had a lot more to offer now that the downtown area is looking alot better like the civic theatre university of akron, akron aeros stadium etc...


 * As a resident of Akron, I was sort of dissapointed that there was no reference to any local sports at all. The Akron Aeros (Cleveland Indians AA farm team) are perrennial division champs. some other sports include the Racers (Pro Softball), International Basketball, (I forget the name, but there IS a team), University of Akron sports like Football (conference champs), Mens Soccer (ranked #1 in nation for most of last year, #7 this year), Mens Basketball (Post season NIT), Womens Track (Conf. Champs in indoor, outdoor and Cross Country last year) LeBron's "King James Tournament" and that TV show on MTV2.   Also, the PGA Firestone Invitational.  I think sports could be its own section.  If it is possible, please do this. Sports are paramount in this this part of the world. Believe me.

Akron's obscure musical heritage
As a non-Akronite [?Akronian, whatever] I have always been amazed that the town seems to have spawned a larger than normal number of bands and musicians who were prominent in punk / new wave / alternative etc music. I note that some such as Chrissie Hynde and the Mothersbaugh brothers of Devo are mentioned in the people list at the end of the main entry, but perhaps a section that a more knowledgeable person could start, listing and linking to bands would also be a useful addition and, frankly, make the place seem a bit more exciting. No offence meant of course, but sometimes the objective tone of Wikipedia articles does tend to flatten out the highlights a bit 60.242.50.195 (talk) 05:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)].

Expansion
I don’t think it was necessary to remove Fairlawn’s Summit Mall. I realize it is not in Akron, but it is quite close and serves a large part of Akron’s population. The only rational I had for leaving it in was the picture of Summit Mall, which I had a particular liking for. Sorry about all the spelling errors, I didn’t bother to proofread it. Other possible points of expansion: breakdown of neighbourhoods, dining, and entertainment.

Limits of Akron
I thought about it when I removed the wording describing Summit Mall as part of Akron. While it is obviously part of the Akron area, the article is titled "Akron, Ohio". The picture was nice and the content was otherwise good, but someone reading the article who isn't from the area would assume that Summit Mall is in the Akron city limits, just like Chapel Hill and Rolling Acres. The article should be able to stand on its own without prior knowledge required so that is why I made that change.

UltraSkuzzi, you are adding a lot of good content. I feel sort of bad going through and correcting things but I want to keep things accurate so that is why I'm making changes here and there.

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Hi. it's me, twitch. i think you should emphasize the fact that lebron was born here. put it in the main article, not tucked away at the end. other than that and a handful of punctuation and spelling errors, none of which are really important, it's amazing!

ooh wait, you did say "eights" instead of "eighties" at one point. ficks it. :)

Metro Size
I agree Bernie, the metro is exaggerated. However, it depends on what the metro area is said to be. I based Akron’s on what the Cleveland article said. I'm not sure how that number came about. I think they added up Summit, Portage, Medina, Cuyahoga, and Stark Counties to form that number. Since there is no defined metropolitan area, at least in censes terms, what should it be defined as? I would like to reach a conclusion on this since this would affect articles on other cities as well... - UltraSkuzzi


 * I took the definition of the metropolitan area from the Census Bureau metropolitan area list, where it listed Summit and Portage counties. I realize that defining a metropolitan area includes a lot of judgment and some politics, but I figured the 2-county Census Bureau definition provides a standard measure.  --Beirne 12:39, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)

The Metro area of Cleveland-Akron is 2,945,000 and does not include Stark County (Canton). It includes Lorain, Cuyahoga, Lake, Geauga, Portage and Summit Counties. Stark county is its own MSA. If Canton's MSA is included, the popoulation is more like 3.5 million.

Split up the article?
I noticed that the article is up to 33K, 1K over the preferred maximum size. The limit isn't critical anymore but it helps keep articles manageable and easy to read. Should we split it up? If we do I'd suggest putting the neighborhood section in its own article since it is the largest section and can stand well on its own. --Beirne 00:54, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

That sounds fine...just make sure that the Akron properly refers to it.

--UltraSkuzzi 16:15, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure if the neighborhood section is properly referenced, it took me about a minute just to find it buried in the article, perhaps it could be placed in a more prominent location?
 * I placed it the way the Related topic links are done in the Cleveland article, which seemed fairly standard. I'm not sure where else it could go but post any ideas that you have.  I did notice that the Cleveland article lists the neighborhoods in the article with links to some of the neighborhoods.  That is a possibility, although some of the articles will be short on their own.
 * --Beirne 12:10, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Time Warner
Can TWC position 23 really be considered 'public access', doesn't position 15 serve that purpose. I've never seen anything on 23 that wasn't TWC sanctioned. Perhaps it would be better to say 'cable only'? --UltraSkuzzi 20:43, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Heads up
A little bird told me (okay, I got interviewed) that the Akron Beacon-Journal is planning to run an article about Wikipedia, with a possible sidebar of some Akron-related articles that are redlinks or stubs, to encourage people from Akron to get involved. So you may hopefully notice an influx of new editors soon. Jacqui ★ 18:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This is correct. Let's make the article shine! --UltraSkuzzi 01:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Akron means "high"
I found this source which says that Akron is derived from the Greek word meaning "high". Summit County is so named because the highest part of the Ohio and Erie Canal was in Summit. I can't help thinking these are related. I'm trying to come up with a good way of phrasing this in the header. Thoughts? JDoorj a m    Talk 04:03, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Mickey Lee Brown Vandalism
Allotropic has been removing Mickey Lee Brown from the famous people from Akron section. --Beirne 22:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

nicknames
wouldn't most of the nicknames for akron be considered speculation? theres only one nickname up there that i've ever heard of officially, and that was that its the "Rubber City", and about the ak-rowdy nickname, it doesn't even say in the link that it was successful in commercializing the nickname --Ditre 15:55, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * add: krackron would falls under No_original_research if it is just being used in myspace by teenagers --Ditre 14:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

A reliable resource to prove that citizens of akron refer to it as krackron would be records of akron citizens using it, which can be found scattered within myspace and other popular chat sites, but not all bundled together on one site. This is just one of thoes things that work differently from other info put on wikipedia.
 * its not an "official" nickname. It is a nickname used by citizens. The reason for listing nicknames is for when somebody says, "yeah my friend lives in krackron", they go to wikipedia type in krackron and see akron. Lally-ho. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Allatropicalis (talk • contribs).
 * also, ak-rowdy doesnt have to be successfuly commercialized to be a nickname. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Allatropicalis (talk • contribs).
 * I think the bext thing to do would be to find references that meet verifiability requirements and cite them properly and delete the rest. I am not sure the AK-rowdy website is a suitable reference. Might I suggest asking for a third opinion? Ruhrfisch 02:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * {its not an "official" nickname. It is a nickname used by citizens. [by Allatropicalis]} Not a publisher of original thought and verifiability there must be a reliable source to include it --Ditre 16:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought, if its just a few citizens using it here and there then it is not wikipedia/encyclopedia acceptable. This is an online encyclopedia, not a blog. I'd also like to point out Verifiability --Ditre 22:21, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

not relevent douche bag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.108.176.123 (talk) 18:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Rager Media in Akron?
The publications section of the Akron article recently had Rager Media added as well as 4 of their titles. Rager Media appears to be in Medina, and the books are not about Akron, although the authors appear to be from the city. Prior to Rager being added, the publications list included publishers in Akron or books about Akron. Should Rager and their books be on this page? Their inclusion here is close to commercial promotion. --Beirne 20:10, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Seawolf
Does anyone have any idea why the attack submarine USS Seawolf's logo/badge has the motto "Rising towards the 21st century with Akron, Ohio?"

Ajmako (talk) 18:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Because the city "sponsored" the ship's construction in the mid-1990's. I had a clipping about it from the Beacon Journal my parents sent me when I was overseas. Not sure exactly what it meant to sponsor the construction of a submarine, but it was a big thing for cities to do back then.

Ted Olsen a native son?
This was news to me, and when I clicked on his entry, there was no mention of Akron. Are we perhaps talking about a different Ted Olsen -- in other words, not the former solicitor general.

Otherwise, I recommend that it be deleted.

Nenthe (talk) 00:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Pop Culture
It seems some local bands are trying to use Wikipedia to enhance their image. I've never heard of The Morgue Boyz nor V.E.C. I think the list of famous Akronites should be regulated to people that those outside of Akron would reconize. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KasinoRoyale (talk • contribs) 18:22, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Notable natives
Why is there a section on notable natives on the main article if there is a article on List of people from Akron, Ohio. If someone has the time to edit this, they need to make sure that all of the notable people from the Akron, Ohio article are on the List of people from Akron, Ohio article and remove the Notable natives section. A See also section needs to be added and under it a wikilink to List of people from Akron, Ohio. OHWiki (talk) 01:23, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Photo caption
Dear editor, the caption under a photo in the Infrastructure heading appears to be the Ohio Bell Telephone Company building, not an apartment building. The reference would be myself I guess as I helped construct the structure in the foreground in the 60's known as Cascade Plaza. Also FirstMerit in another photo is First Merit. Please know I appreciate the greater effort on the article. I thought you might appreciate a heads up. Checkpoint one four (talk) 23:30, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Although I did not post the captions for any of the above mentioned pictures, why not just change the captions yourself rather than provide a lengthy explanation of the error here? The fact that you posted in the talk page means you too are an editor and this article by no means has a single editor.  You don't need references for a picture caption unless it is making some sort of claim that isn't in the article.  Be bold with the articles, especially in things you know!  --JonRidinger (talk) 00:40, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. I know for one thing Ohio Bell doesn't exist under that name, it is now AT&T (a logo which appears on the first floor of the building in the picture), so I doubt the actual building name is still the "Ohio Bell Telephone Company Building." I also checked "First Merit" and it is indeed "FirstMerit" (no space) according to their website.

In popular culture section removed
I removed this section as it was unreferenced and almost all of the entries did not seem to meet WP:NN. I think most people would characterize this as cruft. Please see some model city FAs, such as New York City or Cleveland, Ohio. They do not even have an "in popular culture" section. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:31, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * And I have it removed twice again. I hope the new editors reintroducing it will start a discussion, until then we can continue removing it. To give one example: why is "In the NBC television show The Office, the fictional business Dunder Mifflin has an office located in Akron, Ohio." important for the city of Akron? The whole, rambling section of trivia could be summarised as "Akron is often used as a setting or otherwise mentioned in popular media", with a few example refs, if people feel it is really necessary to mention this (every moderately large city in the US has been mentioned in a number of TV shows and movies, this is not remarkable or noteworthy in any way): no people are going to visit Akron because it was mentioned in The Office, unlike e.g. the link between Verona and Romeo and Juliet. Fram (talk) 20:32, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I also removed it twice. Editors need to understand that just because something has a third-party reference doesn't mean it's notable or necessary to include in an article.  Always look at comparable articles that have been featured for examples of what to and what to not include in a given article.  Wikipedia is not an encyclopedia of everything.  --JonRidinger (talk) 01:55, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Reliable sources
Just a reminder about sources: they need to be verifiable and neutral. Wikipedia articles should not be used as a primary source in any case, but especially when that article itself is unsourced. See WP:SOURCES for more information about which sources to use and how to properly cite them. On a side note, the "fictional characters" list seems like a new incarnation of the "popular culture" section with a different name. Make sure all info in this article is encyclopedic, not just "interesting." This is an online encyclopedia, not a promotional page or a website about everything. Readers can get a very good idea of what Akron is like without the list of fictional characters who are said to be "from" the city in their given show or work. --JonRidinger (talk) 05:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Clutter
This article is cluttered with a large amount of irrelevant information. Such was the case for the section "Meth Capital of Ohio." Not only was there no source which named Akron the actual "Meth Capital of Ohio" but most of the information in the section was about meth labs and other statistics for Ohio, which are relevant only to articles on meth use, not an article on the city of Akron. Please make sure all information is verifiable and relevant to readers' understanding of Akron, Ohio. Just because something is "interesting" doesn't mean it's worthy to be placed in an encyclopedic article. This isn't the place for an article full of trivia. As was stated previously, the "Akron in pop culture" section, although it has third party sources, the section is largely non notable and completely unencyclopedic since pretty much every major city is mentioned in pop culture to some degree and you don't see sections for those cities, even cities that are frequently used as the locations of TV shows and movies like New York, Washington, and Los Angeles. --JonRidinger (talk) 05:27, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * We need to start hacking away at all of this crap. I'll start hopefully soon. I'd like to use this section to collaborate on getting this article back to the status it used to be.  §hep   •   ¡Talk to me!  02:20, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I've got a start at Talk:Akron, Ohio/Sandbox. I knocked out a lot of useless info. Help would be appreciated as I don't do too well with prose. §hep   •   ¡Talk to me!  01:00, 30 December 2008 (UTC)