Talk:Al-Hadid

Numberology is questionable
I agree with Bannon. Number patterns in the Quran have no meaning. It may be fun to explore, but that is as far as it goes, there is no secret knowledge or insight than can be gained from seaching for patterns or finding them. As far as I know, the arrangement of the Quran its self was not something that the Prophet (PBUH) did; it was arranged the way it is by the companions, roughly from largest to smallest, with similar Surah's grouped together. Thus, there is little significance to any connections made to the number or position of Surahs.

Even if for some reason numberology is accepted, it does not work in this case. The "contributor" states that the atomic number of iron is 26, and that it occurs in the 26th verse of this Surah, if you count the "basmallah". Regretfully, in the numbering of Surah's, "basmallah" is not included. Pick up any Quran and you will see that the verse that mentioned iron is number 25, not 26!

FYI: Basmallah (saying "Bismillah Arrahman Arrahim") is said at the beginning of every Surah in the Quran, except for Surah At-Toubah (number 9). However, it is considered a verse only in the first Surah of the Quran (first verse of Surah Al-Faiha) and Surah 26 (verse 30 of Surah An-Naml).

Therefore, I will delete the numerology portion.

Aboomusa (talk) 02:45, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Salaam Alaykum
Salaam Alaykum. This is amazing, the miracles in these verses! JazakAllahu Khair for whoever recorded them. May Allah use this article to help many see the Truth of Islam. Armyrifle 20:54, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Subanallah —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.19.188 (talk) 10:17, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Is this article an another sort of Islamic propaganda? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.140.55.104 (talk) 15:59, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

This is knowledge?
I think the subject headline says it all, don't you? Doesn't the contributor (and I use that word very loosely) know that numerology has been discredited for centuries? If I could be bothered I'm sure I could invent any pattern I wish using any text I wish.

Jim Bannon 10:45, 10 May 2007 (UTC)James Bannon

This needs to be edited
There's an obvious bias in these words -- "so therefore..." It's not writted NPOV. Ideally, the articles on Qur'anic surahs should be much more scholarly, listing famous commentators and their comments. Or they shouldn't exist at all -- like articles for the cardinal numbers past 22 or so... After all, does a normal encyclopedia include articles on the various surahs? It just seems silly.

sent down
with regards to this:

"None of these are anywhere described as "sent down"."

I'm going to delete it because... whoever wrote it doesn't know anything.

YUSUF ALI: Surah al-Hadid 57:25 We sent aforetime our messengers with Clear Signs and sent down with them the Book and the Balance (of Right and Wrong), that men may stand forth in justice; and We sent down Iron, in which is (material for) mighty war, as well as many benefits for mankind, that Allah may test who it is that will help, Unseen, Him and His messengers: For Allah is Full of Strength, Exalted in Might (and able to enforce His Will). --92.232.190.106 (talk) 18:41, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Chemical Elements in Al-Qur'an - additional reference.
As-Salaamu 'Aleikum!

In the Yusuf Ali translation of Surat Al-Kahf, mention is made of Iron and Molten Lead, as follows:

(bismillahi r-rahmani r-rahiim)

96. "Bring me blocks of iron." At length, when he had filled up the space between the two steep mountain-sides, He said, "Blow (with your bellows)" Then, when he had made it (red) as fire, he said: "Bring me, that I may pour over it, molten lead."

18:96

Robbert Thompson (talk) 09:08, 31 January 2010 (UTC)