Talk:Al-Hajjaj ibn Yusuf

Relation to afghanistan?
I am sorry but why this article is related to Afghanistan? hajjaj did not belong to Afghanistan, the main article doesn't even mention Afghanistan. Surely this is a mistake. Kindly rectify it ASAP. Other wise it is ridiculous for wikipedia.org. 202.142.190.245 (talk) 12:59, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Biography assessment rating comment
The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article.--KGV (Talk) 06:18, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

It is interesting that even Sunni Scholars have shown disdain for al-Hajjaj

Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani mentions the following Taabi'in that declared him a kaafir (unbeliever):

سعيد بن جبير والنخعي ومجاهد وعاصم بن أبي النجود والشعبي وغيرهم

He also mentions that Taawoos said, "I am shocked (or amazed) at the one who calls him a mumin (believer)."

Ibn Abi Dunyaa reports this with a Saheeh chain up to Al-Miswar ibn Makhramah:

وقال بن أبي الدنيا حدثني أحمد بن جميل ثنا عبد الله بن المبارك أنا عبد الرحمن بن عبد الله بن دينار عن زيد بن أسلم قال أغمي على المسور بن مخرمة ثم أفاق فقال أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدا رسول الله أحب إلي من الدنيا وما فيها عبد الرحمن بن عوف في الرفيق الأعلى مع الذين أنعم الله عليهم من النبيين والصديقين والشهداء والصالحين وحسن أولئك رفيقا وعبد الملك والحجاج يجران أمعاءهما في النار

He basically is declaring his station in Hell.

Ibn Hajr declared this narration saheeh in his entry in Tahthib At-Tahthib. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.243.76.145 (talk) 19:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Arabic script added.


 * "His given name is Kulaib, but he changed it (Before being appointed as governor) to Al-Hajjaj which means in Arabic The Bone Crusher."

Doesn't hajjaj mean something like 'pilgrim'? Isn't it from the same root as hajj, hajji, and muhajir? In any case, I seriously doubt it means "the Bone Crusher". &mdash;Charles P. (Mirv) 17:39, 23 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I tend to agree with you, Charles. I think the meaning should be related to the words "hajjun" or "hijjun" = hajj pilgrimage, and "hujjatun" = reason, prove, argument. XoXo (talk) 10:18, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Shi'a view
It's nice to have a Shi'a perspective on the legacy of al-Hajjaj, but isn't an inordinate amount of space dedicated to quoting a book with more of a polemical than scholarly purpose?

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Article needs to be edited
Someone please be kind enough to review this article and its awful composition. Also, why does there need to be a shia view of this guy? Every other middle east article seems to have a 'shia view' on it. Let the facts stand for themselves and mention different perspectives without giving them their own labels like so-and-so's views. I've never seen an encyclopedia approach an article like that. It's one thing to describe how different parts of the world perceived a figure/event but to list every minority groups' take on it is rather trivial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.230.168 (talk) 07:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Just thoght its important to mention his most famous qoute : "I see heads that are ripe for plucking, and I am the man to do it; and I see blood between the turbans and the beards," Hajjaj ibn Yusuf. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.7.16.101 (talk) 23:08, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

misc
Kulayb would seem to mean "little dog". Also should mention his famous threatening tirade against the Shi`ites of Kufa. AnonMoos (talk) 08:42, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Hajjaj and Euclid
This Hajjaj did not translate Euclid, the translator was another Hajjaj who lived one hundred years later in Baghdad under the Abbasid Caliphate and had no involvement in military affairs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.242.252.54 (talk) 13:05, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

The number of people allegedly murdered by Hajjaj personally
"Along his rule al-Hajjaj killed one hundred and twenty thousand men and thirty thousand women" I doubt that there existed such many thousand people in Iraq at that days, i think it is exaggeration. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Torebay (talk • contribs) 23:34, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Madkhali Discourse
Since this is a notable example of a clear dhalim in Islamic history it tends to be brought up in discussions relating to madkhalism. I don't have any deeper analysis to offer but it might be worth exploring further. FAISSALOO(talk) 19:19, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Siege of Mecca where?
Not an authority on the subject but found it rather suspicious that an event as important as the Siege of Mecca and the Kaaba being assaulted by Catapults is missing from this article. A cursory Google search reveals this incident which occured during the Second Fitna. Also, what was this guy's relationship with Muhammad bin Qasim? 103.163.200.185 (talk) 21:58, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The siege of Mecca is found in the section "Origin and early life and career", specifically the 4th and 5th passages. He was a paternal kinsman, patron and the superior commander of Muhammad ibn Qasim. Some of this could be found in the "Campaigns of expansion" section in this article; more detail is found in the "Origins and early life" section of the Muhammad ibn Qasim article. Al Ameer (talk) 22:03, 20 January 2022 (UTC)