Talk:Al-Hasakah

Syriacs?
I have a question about the Syriacs in Al-Hasakah. How many are there? What organizations are there in that region? The fact is that although many are adherents to the Syriac Orthadox/Catholic Churches majority (my assumption over 90%) call themselves Assyrian which is what their ethnicity is.

Can someone provide me sources with this 'Syriac' population in Al-Hasakah thanx —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malik Danno (talk • contribs) 16:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

"poff"... did you hear that? That was your credibilty disappearing. The TriZ (talk) 19:53, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * How old are you, seriously? and you still haven't given me at least one source of what the article states about the Aramaen-Syriac population in Al-Hasakah. And please stop posting baseless responses. Malik Danno (talk) 14:54, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

But seriously, you are funny. How about you showing a source for your statement, were you say that 90% of all Syriac Orthodox and Syriac Catholics call themselves Assyrian? The TriZ (talk) 01:49, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you know how to read? I said "my ASSUMPTION", but the difference is that I do say my assumption while you guys make ur assumptions and turn them as facts on Wikipedia...assumptions dont need sources, saying assumptions like facts do...If you dont give me a source for Syriac-Aramean populations in the various Syrian cities then I will report all of them...Your next post better be a source


 * P.S. i hope that you know they Assyrian vs. Syriac vs. Chaldean thing is only in the diaspora, its not prevelant in our homeland.
 * Malik Danno (talk) 15:37, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Please report everything you find, I'm not wasting more time than I already have with you. Yes it is only in the diaspora cause everyone in the homeland calls themselves Syriacs and proudly wears the Syriac flag, you can easily search for that in youtube. And also, let me just say that it was a very funny "assumption", I got a good laugh out of it, so thanks for that. The TriZ (talk) 21:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Any actual source on there being a Kurdish majority...?
from my understanding the Christians are the majority in Al Hasakah.

--Savakk (talk) 18:10, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Afaik the city itself has a slight Arab majority.--  R a f y  talk 17:41, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

right...and once again, is there a source for any of this?

you just saying something does not make it true.

does the Syrian Government do census's that include ethnicity?

--Savakk (talk) 02:40, 15 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Of course no ethnicity is mentioned in any Syrian census and my claims are thus WP:OR which is why they're not included in the article.--  R a f y  talk 14:57, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Translation of the German page
Hi, I used the the German language page to expand the English language version. The page still lacks in line citation but this seems to fill at least some of the gaps in this page. Please feel free to contribute sources. ThanksMonopoly31121993 (talk) 10:09, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Page not moved: insufficient support Ground Zero | t 01:42, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Al-Hasakah → Hasaka – Common English name: Also removing the article "al-" from transliterated Arabic proper names is a common practice, e.g. al-Iraq -> Iraq, al-Sudan -> Sudan, etc. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 10:45, 20 August 2014 (UTC)  K a t h o v o  talk 09:23, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hasaka 110
 * al-Hasakah 23
 * Oppose. The results above for "Hasaka" (of which I get 98) include 29 results for "al-Hasaka", and I get 49 hits for "al-Hasakah" not 23, so it looks about evenly split on that basis. More evidence of common name needs to be provided before I would support. DrKiernan (talk) 13:18, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The current look of the city
I highly doubt that this town still looks like this after 4 years of civil war and clashes between the YPG and the regime forces just 2 days ago. Guy355 (talk) 16:20, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Autonomy
The Federation of Northern Syria - Rojava is not autonomous. It is not recognized by the US, EU, Turkey, Iran, Russia or the Syrian Assad Regime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.74.186.109 (talk) 06:09, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The Federation of Northern Syria - Rojava is de facto an autonomous political entity. -- 2A1ZA (talk) 19:02, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Control
On 23 August 2016 an agreement between YPG and Syrian Army let Al-Hasakah be freed completely from Government forces.[17][18] The map on Commons says that there is a Syrian Army controlled "security box" in Hasakah. Is it true? And If how does it fit to the statement in this article? --2A02:908:C30:3680:E491:8422:4630:BFF (talk)


 * The Syrian Arab Army is still present in the security square in al-Hasaka and still controls the Governorate building and other important buildings. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 00:31, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I added a "Control map", so this should make it more clear. Tradedia talk 20:32, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

So called rojava template and categories
Adding the so-called rojava template and categories in towns and villages under military occupation by YPG militias militia does not change that official status. This is an on-going military conflict and any iterim control (YPG, ISIS, FSA) does not mean a change in the political status of the village/town. I am moving to remove these categories (rojava, cantons, IS, etc). Comments are welcome. Thanks. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 01:02, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Adding an article to category neither confers nor relies upon any official status. It is significant that Al-Hasakah etc are currently governed within the Rojava framework, as other places are run by ISIS, and categorizing them as such should not offend anyone, IMHO. Batternut (talk) 09:43, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The simple fact that a place is controlled by militants of a certain military group does not grant that area a geographic or political affiliation. This is where I disgree with the category rojava, as the military situation on the ground is changing everyday, does this mean a town is part of rojava today and part of another entity tomorrow? By this token, is a town like Nablus part of Israel since it is under military occupation? I will be fine with a category like "Areas under military control of PYD" or something along these lines. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 01:20, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Al-Hasakah has been under YPG/Rojava control for long enough that WP:Recentism doesn't apply. Being in category 'Rojava' is reasonable simply because the place is under Rojava control (regardless of whether the inhabitants or others like it or not).
 * Regarding your suggested "Areas under military control of PYD" category, the PYD is neither a country nor an army. Nablus is in category Israeli-occupied territories, and Israel does not claim that the West Bank is part of Israel. The borders of Rojava are not widely accepted, so arguing about what might be in Rojava and what is merely occupied by Rojava is unlikely to be resolvable. Batternut (talk) 11:26, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Rojava denotes a de facto existing distinct framework of civil governance in distinct parts of Northern Syria, there are 5 Million Google hits for it including all major English language media, and this is what the entire Rojava article on the Wikipedia is about. You may personally dislike anything about this sentence, or the well-sourced elaboration of facts in the Rojava article and in other articles, but your dislike is no valid reason to delete related material from the Wikipedia. -- 2A1ZA (talk) 21:10, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Merge Hasakah Security Box into this article
User has just created Hasakah Security Box and linked it to this and other articles. Does this thing still exist or was it just a temporary state, and is it sufficiently notable to warrant an article? Googling Hasakah "Security Box" gets 85 hits (ignore the  'About 1,970 results' ). Batternut (talk) 22:05, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

I propose merging Hasakah Security Box into this article. Batternut (talk) 11:35, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Agreed, there's simply no need for this to be a separate article. Eik Corell (talk) 14:46, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Support. -- 2A1ZA (talk) 00:46, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Support merge Yazan (talk) 13:01, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

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Orphaned references in Al-Hasakah
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Al-Hasakah's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "census2004": From Raqqa: Also available in English:  From Al-Hawl Subdistrict: Also available in English:  From Al-Hasakah District: Also available in English:  From Sarrin: Also available in English:  From Suluk, Syria: Also available in English:  From Ayn Issa: Also available in English:  From Al-Jarniyah:  <li>From Kobanî: Also available in English: </li> <li>From Al-Qahtaniyah, al-Hasakah Governorate: Also available in English: </li> <li>From Tell Abyad: Also available in English: </li> <li>From Kobanî Canton: Also available in English: </li> <li>From Qamishli District: Also available in English: </li> <li>From Al-Hasakah Subdistrict: Also available in English: </li> </ul>

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 13:35, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ Tradedia talk 20:32, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Removal of sourced content by Konli17
Konli17, Vanly (1992) the source clearly says "Hasak is an Arab town with growing Kyrdish population". page 116. Stop removing relevant content from a highly reliable source used elsewhere. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 19:19, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Key word there is "growing", Amr. A 28-year-old reference isn't going to cut it. Konli17 (talk) 19:39, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

That's from the reference: "Hasaka, an Arab town with a growing Kurdish community". page 116. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 19:49, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I understood. You can use that quote in the article, as long as you date it. Konli17 (talk) 19:57, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Proposed move
I propose moving this article to Hasakah, dropping the 'Al' prefix, as this is the WP:COMMONNAME for the city. Konli17 (talk) 23:46, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The common name is al-Hasakah. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 03:10, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

If you look above, that move has already been tried before Thepharoah17 (talk) 04:56, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Amr, you're just plain wrong again, according to my search results. P17, that was in 2014. The common name for many Syrian places has changed over the course of the war. Also, we tend not to use the 'al' prefix for placenames. Konli17 (talk) 10:27, 5 November 2020 (UTC)