Talk:Al-Mu'tasim

Full name (Kunya, Laqab, Nasab)
Generally Muslim rulers had long name. Most readers don't know and don't understand what means this long name. Let me give some examples:

Abu Ishaq Abbas ibn Harun al-Rashid al-Mu'tasim Billah - Abbasid caliph

Yamīn-ud-Dawla Abul-Qāṣim Maḥmūd ibn Sebüktegīn Ghaznawi   - Ghaznavid sultan

Abū Abdullāh Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmi  - father of Algebra

Jalāl al-Dawla Mu'izz al-Dunyā Wa'l-Din Abu'l-Fath Hasan Malik-Shah ibn Alp Arslān  - Seljuk sultan

These long names usually contain Kunya, Laqab, Nasab, Nisbah. We have to explain these long names with easy way (infobox) so they have to be in the infoboxes. Also famous Seljuk vizier Nizam al-Mulk explained importance of these titles in his book, Siyasatnama. --Qara khan 21:32, 24 January 2015 (UTC)


 * First, as I wrote in your talk page, regarding the caliph's ism, you are wrong. Second, WP:BRD means that you discuss first, before reverting. Third, this is not a medieval genealogical work where it is needful or even interesting to list all a man's ancestors, regardless if it is possible. The relevant names to this man's identity and history, i.e. his kunya, ism, laqab and patronymic, are already in the article. Anything more is useless pedantry. This is the practice followed by reference material such as the Encyclopedia of Islam and other scholarly works on the period. Constantine  ✍  21:48, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Sigh... what part of "discuss first, and don't revert" don't you understand exactly? Reverting while saying "see talk page" is still reverting. You are already at the WP:3RR limit, do you really want to get blocked? Constantine  ✍  21:56, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

I agree that his name was Muhammad. See this article Abd-ar-Rahman III. There is even more information than al-Mu'tasim's in the infobox. By the way, User:Cplakidas you will get blocked if you continiue speaking that way. Read the article, Civility. --Qara khan 21:58, 24 January 2015 (UTC)


 * There is a rule in WP called WP:OTHERSTUFF. I don't care about Abd ar-Rahman III, I care about this article, which I spent considerable time researching and writing... And I repeat that most reference works stop the nasab after a couple of places, especially if the rest of the family tree is well known and can be traced. Which, BTW, is exactly the case with the examples you cite above. Theoretically, we could trace this all the way back to Noah, but what would be the point? Anyone who wants to know his descent can simply click on the Abbasid dynasty link. Constantine  ✍  22:03, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * PS, as for civility, I don't think that I have been uncivil. Just irritated, because you evidently did not research before editing, yet still reverted when I corrected. Constantine  ✍  22:04, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Copy edit
Hi Constantine. Copy edit underway. Note that I normally have at least two runs through an article, so an edit is not necessarily my final version until I say I am finished. Nevertheless feel free to flag up anything I have got wrong or you don't understand as I go.

A note: "His generals led the fight against internal rebellions." I don't see what this adds and was tempted to delete it, but I shall leave it to you. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:41, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Query
"of the civil war by Ibn Tahir". You can't use "by" in this way. Maybe 'of the civil war started by Ibn Tahir'? Or 'of the civil war between al-Ma'mun and Ibn Tahir'?


 * Hi Gog the Mild. On "His generals led the fight against internal rebellions." the point was to contrast this to the caliph leading the only major external campaign in person, but was not well made. Hopefully clarified now. Ditto for the second query. Your other edits were mostly fine, in a couple of places they exposed unclear wording on my behalf, and I've corrected accordingly. Thanks a lot, once again. Are you going to do another pass? --Constantine  ✍  10:39, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Constantine. Good. Thanks. Yes I am. This is taking longer than I anticipated - apologies for that. I will now do another pass looking for fine detail, reviewing my previous changes, and yours; and possibly a third looking mostly at flow, focus, breadth etc. As this is a GOCE copy edit I have been a little bolder than I would be for say an ACR assessment copy edit, so do feel free to revert anything you're not happy with, or to ask me why I have made any particular change. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:00, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries, take your time and be as bold as you want with your edits. Cheers, Constantine  ✍  18:22, 8 November 2018 (UTC)