Talk:Al-Wabil al-Sayyib

Shocking disinformation
I really am shocked at the incredible disinformation that appears in this short little article. An endorsement of Sufism? Are you kidding me? Did the person who wrote this article even read the book? I am not sure if my Arabic font will work here on Wikipedia, but i'll try my best:

ومن علامات تعظيم الامر والنهي ان لا يحمل الامر على علة تضعف الانقياد والتسليم لامر الله عز وجل بل يسلم لامر الله تعالى وحكمته ممتثلا ما امر به سواء ظهرت له حكمته او لم تظهر فان ظهرت له حكمة الشرع في امره ونهيه حمله ذلك على مزيد الانقياد والتسليم ولا يحمله ذلك على الانسلاخ منه وتركه كما حمل ذلك كثيرا من زنادقة الفقراء والمنتسبين الى التصوف فان الله عز وجل شرع الصلوات الخمس اقامة لذكره واستعمالا للقلب والجوارح واللسان في العبودية واعطاء كل منها قسطة من العبودية التي هي المقصود بخلق العبد فوضعت الصلاة على اكمل مراتب العبودي

He is actually heavily criticizing Sufis when he writes:

وتركه كما حمل ذلك كثيرا من زنادقة الفقراء والمنتسبين الى التصوف

He is accusing followers of Sufism of being heretics and people who downplay "enjoining the good".

27 كتاب الوابل الصيب، الجزء 1، صفحة.

Volume one on page 27.

To verify I had a friend of mine who is a native Arabic speaker search this book and not only was it not about Sufism, it only contained one mention of it in the whole book; and not only did it contain only one mention of it in the whole book, but it mentioned it in a negative light. You can even see the disinformation in the supposed reference cited to support the claim, which is here:



This link is just a commercial link to a website where you can buy the book. It also summarizes what the book is about for the potential reader, which, surprise surprise, isn't Sufism.

Further more, ibn Qayyim was known in his day as a very harsh basher of Sufism so I really don't know what the editors who put this article together were thinking. This is absolutely unacceptable for a public encyclopedia like Wikipedia, and for the sake of the readers this has to be changed. If anyone takes issue with what i've written here then I invite you to buy the book and look through it, preferably in the original language (get a Middle Eastern friend to help you with that), and see that what i've said here is true. MezzoMezzo 17:59, 3 June 2007 (UTC) ____________________________________ I would agree with that Ibn al-Qayyim is not endorsing Sufis in this book (and I don't know where you saw that), but neither is he attacking them in the way you get from your reading of the Arabic. What the quotation above criticizes are the "zanaadiqat al-fuqaraa' wa al-muntasibiin ilaa al-tasawwuf" the heretical fuqaraa' and (the heretical people) of those who claim affiliation with Sufism, but does not say that all fuqaraa and all those who claim to be affiliated with sufim were/are heretical. Both Ibn al-Qayyim and his teacher Ibn Taymiyyah distinguished between those who claimed to be sufi in that day but who had gone past the limits and others, for whom they both had respect. Ibn al-Qayyim's great work, Madaarij al-Saalikiin, is basically a commentary on a work by a Sufi, Abdallah al-Ansari al-Hareri, the great mystic of Herat. In that book he quotes abundantly from Qushayri, another great Khorasani Sufi, and other Sufic sources. Ibn Taymiyya, for his part, wrote a whole section of his Fataawi (volume 10) on Sufis and had much praise for those who he saw as truly living up to the name. See also this link: http://www.abc.se/~m9783/n/itaysf_e.html Peace, Abdurrahman Fitzgerald —Preceding unsigned comment added by Medina004 (talk • contribs) 21:35, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

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