Talk:Alan Jackson (businessman)

A proposal to change the name of Alan Robert Jackson article to Alan Jackson (businessman)
A proposal to change the name of the current article named Alan Robert Jackson to a more fitting and descriptive, Alan Jackson (businessman), in light of what he did. Carey3146 (talk) 09:46, 14 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Support of this move. Carey3146 (talk) 09:46, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:Article titles - GA Melbourne (talk) 15:03, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

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 * Alan Jackson in 1993.jpg

Occupation
I would like to start a discussion here about what editors think is appropriate to identify as Jackon's occupation for the lead, infobox, and short description. Based on this discussion between and me, the options we are considering are "business executive" or "business executive and director".

My view is that "business executive" is sufficient as it generally encompasses all of the roles and positions he held in his career (chairmain, CEO, director, managing director, etc.) and that adding "director" does not significantly communicate additional key facts about him that are not already their from being identified as a "business executive" holding the notable positions he had (which are identified in the lead and the infobox). Per infobox person, occupation is for "Occupation(s) as given in the lead.". The lead identifies him as "businessman":

While it is tempting to want to add more in the lead or in occupation we need to be mindful of MOS:ROLEBIO, which states:

Remember, too, that MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE says to "summarize key facts" and:

I propose that we (1) change the lead from "businessman" to "business executive", (2) change occupation from "Business executive and director" to "Business executive", and (3) leave short description as it is with "Australian business executive (1936–2018)". I'll stop here to allow other editors an opportunity to share their thoughts. &mdash; Archer1234  (t·c) 01:36, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy with "businessman" or "businessperson" in all three of lead, infobox and short description. "Executive" can be read in different ways and sometimes be a bit of a weasel word. But between the options you suggest, I'd keep it simpler and go "business executive" rather than "business executive and director". Tacyarg (talk) 02:29, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I have been convinced that ‘business executive’ is simpler than ‘business executive and director’. I’m all for it to being reversed. Carey3146 (talk) 05:45, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

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 * Alan Jackson and Tim Fischer in the late 1990s.jpg
 * Financial World Magazine in 1993 with Alan Jackson on its cover.jpg

Sourcing
Many of the references used in this article as faux-references in that they are primary and/or self published sources. Others do not have reliability, and yet there do not have significant coverage, by which is meant upwards of three substantial paragraphs all about Jackson.

The article needs a study of the sources and flagging of them or removal, a long job. I shall certainly start this and work quietly through it, and I would appreciate other editors' assistance. I believe Jackson to pass WP:BIO, but I believe we should source or kill the full, clutter and flummery which is "weasel-sourced". 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:46, 1 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I've performed a first pass, looking at the referencesI have access to, and flagged these for attention 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:29, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

COI tag (October 2023)
See WP:COIN Melcous (talk) 22:44, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Junk
Jackson was a fellow of various chartered organisations that were predominantly in the accounting and managing fields. He was also a member of the Australian Club and the Commonwealth Golf Club in Melbourne.

 scope_creep Talk  21:10, 6 October 2023 (UTC)