Talk:Alan Jones (radio broadcaster)/Archive 3

BLP issue
I haven't read this article prior to today, but became aware of its existence when it was mentioned in an CfD discussion.

I am troubled by the sentence which starts,"Jones says he does not believe in significant human induced climate change ...." There is a reference following the sentence:



Presumably, the quote was selected to support the sentence. However, while some non-notable person alleges he is "hostile to climate science", that doesn't even allege he is a climate science denier (although I can understand why some might make the connection). More to the point, it is an assertion by someone what they think of Jones's position, and doesn't come close to supporting the assertion that he makes the claim himself. It may be that there are other sources to support this claim, but we even need to find sources to support the claim or change the claim to match what the source alleges.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  01:33, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * In addition, the reference was placed at the end of the sentence rather than the first clause. I see nothing in the reference to support the claim about his criticism of government policy. I suspect that latter claim is true but it's not supported. I considered editing the senates to remove the unsupported early clause, and asked for a citation needed for the second clause but I wasn't sure what to do with the existing reference which doesn't seem to support anything. I'll hold off a bit in the hope that someone will either identify some other section of the reference which supports one of the other two assertions or provide some other reference to support one of the two assertions.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  21:51, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Ten minutes late
The more I look, the more problems I find.

The political comments section mentions a disagreement about whether Julia Gillard made and broke an election pledge not to introduce a carbon tax. He says she made it and broke it, she disagrees. So far so good, but there's no answer in the article. Instead, it notes "He also criticised her for being 10 minutes late for his program.". Seriously? You introduce an allegation of a broken election pledge, and then include a complaint she showed up ten minutes late for an interview? On the WEIGHT scale, how important is it that she was ten minutes late? Can we remove that fluff and include whether he was wrong to charge her with a broken pledge?-- S Philbrick (Talk)  22:37, 7 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, I agree this article does have some referencing issues as you described in the previous break, however the statement is true even if that source doesn't explain that correctly. I will attempt to find a stronger reference at some point for it. Jones is a proud climate change denier, and is very influential within Australian commentary on the subject. In relation to the 'ten minutes late' entry, while I accept in isolation it is a bit of an unnecessary statement, within the context of that incident, I would argue it is relevant as the fact he made such a big deal about a minor delay (a delay which is commonplace for Australian politicians and media commitments) went further to the criticism of Jones regarding perceived hatred and condemnation from the media and wider public generally. I haven't had much to do with this article in the past admittedly, but I would be happy to help tidy it up when I can. User:Whats new?(talk) 01:19, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I am not challenging the claim he stated she was 10 minutes late, I'm baffled that this is mentioned in an encyclopedia article. I don't follow Australia politics all that closely; perhaps it was a big deal in the context of an election but that needs to be established. As an outside reader of this article I see that someone ran for office, was interviewed by the subject and showed up 10 minutes late and he complained. Should we identify the type of beverage he drinks or the color of the tie he wore? In other words, why is this mentioned? I'd be interested in knowing whether his claim that she broke a pledge was a bogus charge or has been substantiated but that issue is unresolved in the article.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  01:25, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I understand what you're saying, and to answer your question in brief, she stated before the election a very well known (you could say infamous) quote "there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead" and did introduce the unpopular tax following her victory, however there is debate between pro and anti climate change groups and right V left leaning media outlets as to whether it was a broken promise  . The ten minutes late charge was more a demonstration of perceived vile from Jones towards Gillard, which he notably made reference to in a prominent television interview . -- User:Whats new?(talk) 01:50, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for filling me in. It seems to me that more detail on the quote you provided is about 100 times more important than some petulance he may have evinced regarding the late charge, but it's not really an either/or, if both deserve mention so be it.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  01:58, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, and I don't disagree - the section could use some rewriting, additions and fresh references. -- User:Whats new?(talk) 02:01, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

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Edit request - back surgeries
Could you please add the following to the "Health issues" section:

Jones had back surgery in November 2016 and neck operations which caused him to go off air for four months. In November 2018, Jones was hospitalised for severe back pain and again went off air.

Thank you. --122.108.141.214 (talk) 02:26, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done. Thanks, Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 12:49, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Why no discussion of his 1988 arrest?
It is relevant to his criticism of public figures. Robgas68 (talk) 17:56, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * See Alan Jones (radio broadcaster). WWGB (talk) 00:18, 4 September 2018 (UTC)