Talk:Alan Kippax

Baseball
Was the baseball played during the time he struggled to get into the NSW team? If so, clarify. If not, info is in the wrong place. --Dweller 13:09, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

The info re baseball is an aside, hence the use of the word "also", so it doesn't have a natural place in the main body of the text which focuses on his cricket. Baseball was played as a winter sport during Kippax's era, and it is included because (a) he reached a high standard and (b) many Australian cricketers played baseball in the winter, which has had a strong influence on Australian cricket. Phanto282 13:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. On re-read, it seems fine. Sorry for my pedantry. --Dweller 14:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

cn
I've flagged one where the cite may follow the subsequent sentence.
 * The cite offered (ie Harte pp 300-301) covers both the blame for Australia's defeat being apportioned mainly to Collins, and Collins' subsequent loss of the captaincy of NSW and Waverley.

However, I'm also bothered by this: "The subsequent omission of Kippax from the touring team shocked everyone associated with Australian cricket. " Does the source explicitly say "everyone"? It cannot be true... as people "associated with Australian cricket" made the decision. --Dweller 14:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Corrected.Phanto282 00:28, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Hooker story

 * 1) Were these 8 ball overs? --Dweller 14:34, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Presumably the "remarkable" record was the largest 10th wicket stand in 1st class history, but a) I could be wrong and b) I shouldn't have to guess. --Dweller 14:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * All 1st class cricket in Australia from the end of WWI to 1978-79 was played with eight-ball overs. The only exceptions were the 1928-29 and 1932-33 Ashes series.
 * Add Ashes 1920-21, Aus v WI 1930-1 and Aus v SA 1931-32 to it. Tintin 10:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Clarified last-wicket record as pointed out. Phanto282 17:11, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Captain of NSW section
The formatting of these, in terms of who's being quoted, varies, but should be consistent. --Dweller 14:46, 4 September 2007 (UTC) Formatting now correct as per MOS. Phanto282 17:11, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Final tour

 * "Kippax was the third selector on tour, so the press speculated that he was dissatisfied with the decision" I don't understand the connection between the first and second halves of the sentence. To me, it's a non-sequitur. --Dweller 11:32, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Not sure about including the stats for his grade club - seems a little non notable for a player who achieved so much at international and national levels. --Dweller 11:41, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * "He made a small piece of cricketing history when he broadcast directly to England from the fourth Test at Adelaide in early 1937, using a radio-telephone service.[52]" What history? Was it the first such broadcast? --Dweller 11:41, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Kippax was outvoted by Bradman and Woodfull, the English press tried to make it an issue of disharmony in the team.
 * Could you clarify this in the text? --Dweller 13:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The notability of Grade cricket is a matter of opinion. An average of 53 is outstanding and it is a fact, it is referenced. Grade and Sheffield shield assumed a much greater importance during Kippax's era when Australian cricketers played much less cricket than they do today.
 * OK --Dweller 13:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * First direct broadcast of a match from Australia to England.
 * Please clarify this in the text. --Dweller 13:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Phanto282 13:37, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Personal stuff

 * "₤6,030" - I've seen pound signs wikilinked elsewhere, to disambiguate. I presume this is sterling? --Dweller 11:45, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * "In later years, Kippax was an A-grade golfer" What's an A-grade golfer? Could do with a wikilink. --Dweller 11:45, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Australian currency was ₤/s/d until February 1966, at a value roughly equivalent to sterling. I thought it was implicit that if the match was played in Australia, then the takings would be an Australian denomination.
 * It would be clear, except non Australians may not realise that the currency used to be £s. I certainly didn't know that. --Dweller 13:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * A-grade or pennant golf is the highest level played by amateur club golfers.
 * Please clarify in the article --Dweller 13:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Phanto282 13:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Lead and more
The Rambling Man 12:01, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It may be personal preference, but I don't think the single sentence opening paragraph is a good idea. It should be merged.  The Rambling Man 11:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There's also a [citation needed] in the "Test debut..." section... The Rambling Man 11:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * In the quote in "Captain of New South Wales" - is (Sir) actually part of the quote? If so leave it by all means, but if not it should go. The Rambling Man 11:58, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think [Wicketkeeper] should be wikilinked.
 * Consider a graph of his world ranking.
 * Move the anti-bodyline image actually into the bodyline section.
 * Looks in the right section on IE, though I appreciate it's not. How does it look on Firefox? --Dweller 13:04, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree: the lead sentence came adrift from the first para sometime during the FAC process when the article underwent what I would call over-editing to appease pedantic observations.
 * Issue re the citation dealt with earlier - cite from Harte (ie #15) covers the aftermath of the '26 Ashes series and how it created an opportunity for Kippax.
 * Quote is correct as written.
 * Wicketkeeper maybe an esoteric word for the non-cricket person? Will leave it for now.
 * My personal opinion - I think that world rankings are a marketing gimmick. A player's contribution to a win (or loss or draw, for that matter) is much more relevant in the context of a team game. While rankings are part of the modern game and help us to analyse contemporary players, I don't believe they have a place with players of previous eras. In Kippax's time, Test cricket was England v Australia, so Kippax (and his teammates) were judged on their Ashes records firstly, then on what they accomplished for their state. However, I have no objection if someone wants to put together the relevant graph.
 * I will move the image as suggested.

Phanto282 14:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Teeth
He reminds me of Gnasher Ward, lol. --Dweller 11:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

GA
I have passed this article as GA, as it is well written, NPOV, comprehensive, satisfies MOS and has relevant images. It uses a consistent referencing style.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 06:46, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Late cut
Is the shot in the picture in the section Alan_Kippax really a late cut ? The ball seems to be travelling infront of square. Tintin 13:21, 30 May 2011 (UTC)