Talk:Alan Rickman/Archive 1

Adam Leonard
Has he really been 'immortalised' by Adam Leonard? Adam Leonard appears to be a fairly minor musician so the fact that he's written a song about a famous actor is surely not worth noting in this article. Tdrawler
 * it's worth noting as ==Trivia==, but don't use the word "immortalized". &mdash;  F REAK OF N URxTURE  ( TALK )  03:24, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I changed it to "featured".--Happylobster 23:31, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

what is the song anyway? why isnt the title of the song given?

Order of the Phoenix
Just added the year as this will be incorrect if viewed in 2008, also changed the sentence structure around. I'm not sure if this is better. English is not my primary language :)

Bain 11:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Chronology...
The filmography of this article is upside-down versus the last few actors' articles I've seen.

That is; it goes from old (top) to new (bottom), whereas some go from new to old.

I have no idea which way is prevalent, much less which is better...but perhaps they should be made consistent. --Kaz 00:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

What the hell...
talk about cheap stuff... i know that he's a great actor or something i admire his passion for it too but... let's be more personal!!!! family, friends, children(if he has any)

i like him... get the piont
 * He has no children and has been living with the same woman since the mid 1960s. not much to tell. What there is to tell is already in the article. LiPollis 13:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

--- Hey I second the first complaint. This article leaves out all the goods on his personal life.

COME ON here! The man has a large cultlike following of women who live for his sexy British voice... we want the goods. No we NEED, we DEMAND more information.


 * Now I see why he keeps his personal life so private. Sheesh. Anyways, this isn't the place for this discussion. If you want "the goods," don't ask someone else to do all the work, go find them yourself! :] Faithlessthewonderboy 16:51, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

It says he lives with his partner... Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "girlfriend," seeing as "partner" usually implies same-sex partners? I read that and got confused, because Rima could sound like a man or a woman's name. Thanks!--64.131.34.55 02:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

yeah that confused me too. but i don't think gay couples should call their significant other 'partner' anyway, i think it just sounds weird. and it's another step away from equality, too. LollyLo 20:20, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

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"The Return of the Native" by Thomas Hardy
Alan Rickman read the audio book "The Return of the Native" by Thomas Hardy, maybe it would be interesting for rickman fans to know... and he also read sonnet no 130 from shakespeare i dont know where to put that information so i just write it in here and i dont have references, so if anybody could find some (some other than youtube i mean :D)... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.56.250.70 (talk) 17:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Alan's Living Situation...
I noticed that it still says on the main page that Alan lives with Rima, but a Boston Globe article, dated Jan 11th, '98 states:

"He lives alone in a London house three tube stops away from the council flat where he and his siblings grew up (his mother now owns it). But in a business of ephemeral ties, he and Rima Horton, a political activist and university lecturer, have been partnered for 31 years."

We know from several interviews that he goes back and forth between London and a rented house in L.A. depending upon where he's working.


 * He has been together with Rima since 1977, although they have lived separately since 1989 (he didn't want to live at that location and she had to so she qualified as a resident to be elected to the London Council). They attend functions together and seem to have a working "separate" relationship. Sources, and.

Reynardo (talk) 03:24, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Using Maureen Patton's Book as a reference
I'm concerned about the use of Maureen's Patton's Book Alan Rickman An Unauthorized Biography as a reference, Rickman has on multiple instances denounced the book and has disputed information from it (like being born with a speech impediment or tight jaw that gave him his distinctive voice) in interviews, for example see  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuv_xn5NBfw. There are also some interviews, that while containing excellent quotes of Rickman, have recycled material from Patton's book to pad out the article. The otherwise excellent A Man for All Season's in the Living Scotsmen article is an example of an article that has been contaminated with "facts" from Patton's book. These interviews are ones that lead to the ambiguity about when he met his girlfriend Rima Horton and how long they have been involved and whether they are living together or not. It might be best to not use Patton as a resource unless the information can be independently verified, and to not use any portion of other references that appear to be paraphrasing Patton's work. I think it is fine to use a direct quote of something Rickman said from say the Scotsman Living article, but I'm not sure I'd use that article to set the date of when he and Ms. Horton became a couple, because in the same article the author quotes the infamous tight jaw speech impediment, so it's difficult to say where he is getting the dates from. Animaltalker (talk) 01:51, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Can this article please acquire a permanent 'Semi-protected' status?
Can this article be permanently made into a 'Semi-protected' article?? I know that the latest updates about Rickman's career need to be added. But for me, it was really troublesome cleaning-up the 'Career' section of the article. Pathetic grammar and unprofessional language used. I mean, you've got people from all over the world reading these articles. At least make them look and sound business-like. There was a mention that Rickman was accused of stealing Costner's 'thunder' in 'Robin Hood'. What's the source of the story? YouTube gossip, no doubt. But, my biggest grouse was that some of the statements sounded extremely fangirl-ish, like commenting on the singing skills of Rickman and Depp in 'Sweeney Todd'. For heaven's sake, if you want to express your own views about their singing skills, register with YouTube, and post your views to your hearts' content. This is not the place to add personal and uncited views about any individual. Also, a point was made about the time when Rickman first started getting noticed by the female members of the audience. When I read that statement, I felt like tearing my hair apart. To read such statements about Rickman (no matter how large a female fan following he may have; I'm a girl too, but I admire him as one of the finest actors in Britain, and nothing beyond that) is completely demeaning. If you want to gush/wax lyrical about Rickman, you've got IMDB. But please, trash of such sort should not be posted on Wikipedia. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.184.180.61 (talk) 09:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Texas music video
Can someone add the information that he stars in the music video of "Texas" called "In demand", please? Proof link is here and the video itself can be found on Youtube. I can't add myself, too scared to screw up anything and my English is not native. Irenru (talk) 12:14, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Why is Rickman's character Snape classified as a 'villain' (in the article)?
The 'Career' section of Rickman's article says that his Hollywood villain roles include Hans Gruber (Die Hard), Sheriff of Nottingham (Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves), and Severus Snape (Harry Potter). But, Snape is not a villain, he's an anti-hero. So, shouldn't the character of Snape (in Rickman's article) be called 'an anti-hero, displaying tremendous amount of controversy and ambiguity about his true nature', rather than being labelled as a plain 'villain'? Rickman himself has called Snape as 'a fascinating character', and that he takes immense pleasure in playing someone so ambiguous, and that he had 'a lot of fun impersonating him.'

Thanks. 59.184.157.97 (talk) 06:15, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Irish catholic
Rickman is an English name not Irish catholic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.58.219 (talk) 20:19, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

List of credits
Why my additions were deleted? The full list of his works looks quite interesting, doesn't it?

May be I could add Film, Television, Theatre, Voice acting in the article using Template:Navbox with collapsible groups, please? --Snowdrifters 14:44, 18 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snowdrifters (talk • contribs)

Why is my mention of "My Name is Rachel Corrie", as produced at the Edinburgh Festival, always deleted?? It´s a special honour to take part in that world-famous Festival, and it isn´t irrelevant to include such things in this article. Smilesofasummernight (talk) 12:39, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Because you didn't provide a reliable source for the additions you wanted to add. See WP:RS/WP:REF. --Τασουλα (talk) 12:42, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, I find no notes in the existing paragraph here, in this article, on "My Name is Rachel Corrie". So shouldn´t the whole paragraph be scrapped, strictly speaking?? There is a reference to the Edinburgh production in the Wikipedia article on that play, rather than this article on Rickman -- would the former do for a reference? Also, I saw the play myself at the Edinburgh Festival in 2006 -- but I don´t suppose that counts.Smilesofasummernight (talk) 20:56, 11 May 2012 (UTC) I suppose "on 'My Name is Rachel Corrie'" should really be "on 'My Name is Rachel Corrie'" or anything else. Smilesofasummernight (talk) 21:02, 11 May 2012 (UTC)Or rather: "on 'My Name is Rachel Corrie' or anything else." Smilesofasummernight (talk) 21:12, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Birthplace
He was born in Acton, London, not Hammersmith. His sister was born in 1950, not 1949. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.110.135 (talk) 18:40, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Previous Incorrect Reports of Rickmans Death February 26 2014
A quick search is unable to find evidence of Alan Rickman's recent death. I have removed this from the article until it can be proven. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.246.21.70 (talk) 01:34, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It's a prank. The narrative is that of Severus Snape's death. Jastrow (Λέγετε) 10:08, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Rachel Corrie
You write about Rickman's anti-Semitic play 'The production is based on the writings of Rachel Corrie, the 23 year old American woman who was killed on March 16, 2003 by an Israeli Army bulldozer while she was protesting against the demolition of Palestinian civilian homes." Actually Corrie was tryingto prevent bulldozers destroying a terrorist WEAPONS SMUGGLING TUNNEL, not a civillian home-get your facts right! Corrie had also publicly approved of the mass murder of Israeli civillians, including children. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Herut (talk • contribs) 12:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC).

We deal with fact, not Israeli, Palestine or any other form of propaganda. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bbx118 (talk • contribs).


 * Er, the wiki article on Rachel Corrie itself details the facts as related by official investigations:


 * "The Israeli army's report, which was seen by the The Guardian, said that Corrie was: "struck as she stood behind a mound of earth that was created by an engineering vehicle operating in the area and she was hidden from the view of the vehicle's operator who continued with his work. Corrie was struck by dirt and a slab of concrete resulting in her death ... The finding of the operational investigations shows that Rachel Corrie was not run over by an engineering vehicle but rather was struck by a hard object, most probably a slab of concrete which was moved or slid down while the mound of earth which she was standing behind was moved," (The Guardian, April 14, 2003).[13]


 * The Israeli report also states that the army had not, in fact, intended to demolish a house, but was searching for explosives in the border area designated a security zone by Israel."


 * Are we to regard all results of official investigations by Jews as "propaganda"?
 * —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.193.251.56 (talk • contribs).

It is not anti-Semitic to consider the possibility that the "results of official investigations" by the Israeli government are, possibly, self-serving. Younggoldchip (talk) 00:11, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I think in all reasonableness it is. That this causes the sky to fall in is another issue. Hakluyt bean (talk) 00:37, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Hakluyt bean, I admire the freshness of your naivete, but it has no place in a discussion that's supposed to deal in realities. The "official Israeli report", about a matter that suggests the driver was, at best, criminally careless, and at worst, murderous, could not be called disinterested and nonpartisan. Were you surprised that the "official report" exonerates him? I wasn't. It's also interesting to remember that Corrie was wearing bright orange. And, of course, whether the demolition crew was searching for explosives or destroying a house, neither eventuality would give them the right to mow down a peaceful protestor. Younggoldchip (talk) 15:53, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

English
How exactly is stating that Alan Rickman is "English" an unconstructive edit? If James MacAvoy is a "Scottish" actor, Michael Sheen a "Welsh" actor and Kenneth Brannagh an "Irish" actor, how exactly is it unconstructive to say Alan Rickman is an "English" actor, and why should he not be labelled as such when all others are? 79.73.47.32 (talk) 17:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You might find Nationality of people from the United Kingdom an interesting read. This issue has been discussed to death, and I, for one, have no interest in continuing it. Your edits were reverted because they introduced awkward, pedantic and outdated gramar to the article. You proceeded to attack me based upon my nationality, which is absurd on so many levels I won't deign to respond to it. I will just advise you to mind your attitude in the future. faithless   (speak)  18:42, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Since we're giving advice, might I advise you to remember that it is against Wikipedia policy to accuse people of vandalism in an attempt to assert authority over them. It also warns that rushing in heavy-handedly and challenging "good faith" contributions as vandalism could only inflame the situation further and provoke "snippy" responses from people. 79.73.47.32 (talk) 18:58, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Reinstating your poor, unconstructive edits can most certainly be regarded as vandalism. The fact that you continued to do so after being told that your edits were unhelpful only warranted further action (which was not taken, by the way). Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, that you, an unregistered IP, might not know all there is to know about Wikipedia? No, you would rather just resort to childish insults when someone has the audacity to correct you, wouldn't you? And when did I try to "assert authority" over you? Which "heavy-handed" actions are you referring to? Don't make baseless accusations. Thanks for the advice, but I think an administrator would know a little more about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines than someone who hasn't even created an account. faithless   (speak)  19:19, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow - after listening to all that, it's clear you're definitely not on a power trip at all. 79.73.47.32 (talk) 19:25, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * And you resort once more to personal attacks instead of making a case for your argument. I'd say this conversation is over. faithless   (speak)  19:28, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Completely and utterly over. 79.73.47.32 (talk) 19:42, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry Faithless but he has a point. You are coming across as too strong. 91.125.54.32 (talk) 15:59, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry to bring up this topic as I realise it was a polemical topic back in the day, but Alan Rickman self-identifies as Scottish, but was born in England. Would it, perhaps, be better to describe him as British, then? Or it would be better still to put Scottish rather than English, which is quite simply incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.105.217.28 (talk) 09:38, 19 April 2015 (UTC)