Talk:Alaska Natives/Archive 1

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Note: from Jan. 2007-March 2011 this was on it's own "comments" page as though it was an article assessment, which it clearly is not. It was moved directly to the archive and the page deleted on 3-16-2011. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:09, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Inapiat's is our word for us-people-however I am an eskimo (eater of raw meat)eastern abo word for me. I am also an indian, and a Baha'i and don't believe in race, so the idea suck's to me that there is seperate human race's, although there are million's of beautiful culture's worldwide, especially in America, another word that suck's, this land is not americus vespucci's and or any other- it is a land for all culture's and people's, so I like our alaska word's for us, the land and the culture's much better than the english version. I am also Ukivokmeow-(King is. and Pt.Hope and Barrow Utkavaq) The widespread word Indian is also a misnomer, we are not from the culture of India, but that name stuck, as did aborigine's in Australasia, for the indigene's there. Alaska native's now (in 2007 but dateing back to last half of 20th century) call themselves by their own name's, but other's call them native alaskan's-I still prefer eskimo,honoring the dialect's that thought our ancestor's ate raw meat,(they did eat lottsa frozen raw meat-but most of the food was either dried or boiled. There are many proud thing's in eskimo life that are not mainstreamed America yet, but if it happen's the beginning of the end of rascism will announce the kingdom of heaven on earth-(where people truly love one another). I am also very proud to be an indian-(inupiat zone of the great american indian people's). Most of the modern wording for our people's are re-inforced by the current angst from majority's over there several hundred's year's lording over the peaceful and local indian's, which created the new word amerind The reason innuit's and aleut's are empowered word's is because Russia and America used their name's in honor. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.60.6.241 (talk • contribs)

Native Americans
The wording of the article seems to make a distinction between Alaska Natives and Native Americans. Is there such a distinction? OneVeryBadMan 10:16, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * In a word, yes. The US government has a very different relationship with Alaska Natives than it does with indigenous people in the other states. Furthermore, the group of Alaska Natives is not a single racial group (for whatever that idea is worth). It is composed of the Eskimos (Inupiat, Yupik, Cupig, Siberian Yupik, Sugpiaq) and the Aleut on the one hand, and the Athabaskans (Tanana, Dena'ina, Koyukon, Gwich'in, etc.), the Eyak, and Southeast nations (Tlingit, Haida, Tsimshian) on the other. This is a similar difference as exists between Canada's Inuit and its First Nations. — Jéioosh 15:01, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * See the three wave immigration theory described in Indigenous people of the Americas article for more detail. Rmhermen 23:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Ethnic distinctions
Could someone categorize the listed groups according to terminology conventional in the Lower 48? It seems that "Indians" would include all the tribes of the contiguous U.S. and Athabaskans/Eyak/Southeast nations, while Eskimos and Aleuts are two completely distinct groups that are not Indian tribes, as some people might think. Anti-discrimination policies throughout the country sometimes list "Native American ancestral groups of Aleut, Eskimo and American Indian" origin, and people wonder why all three are listed. --Editing 18:05, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Changes
added Cup'ik, residents of Mekoryuk on Nunivak Island and Chevak on the Yukon-Kuskokwim Delta. relocated Sugpiaq under the Yup'ik heading. added apostophe's to Yup'ik (long p) with no apostrophe added to Siberian Yupik. Paradoxos
 * I refined the changes. Yup'ik, as in speakers of the Central Alaskan Yup'ik language, are one of the divisions of the general Yupik group — and under the Yupik heading are at the same level as the other two main divisions of the Yupik peoples, Alutiiq (Sugpiaq or Pacific Yupik) and Siberian Yupik (or St. Lawrence Island Yupik). I will go through later on & refine further with wikilinks to the languages spoken by all these peoples — I'm pretty familiar with them all because I went through then all a few weeks ago, added then all to a new category Category:Indigenous languages of Alaska & added language infoboxes to all of them, made sure that the people corresponding to the languages spoken all had an article too. --Yksin 16:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Ancestry
This article does not have any information of the ancestry of the Native Alaskan peoples as it is important in learning about their cultural past. Someone with the correct knowledge should add info. on such and add to the article of maybe the belief that they are descended from Asia? Please, acknowledge the relationships to give a greater understanding to the readers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.235.133.27 (talk) 05:12, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

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History section
This really needs help. The history of Native Alaskans goes back just a wee bit further than 1912. A "wee bit" being several thousand years.


 * Have to agree with that sentiment. There are two sentences dealing with contact with the Russians, and it makes it sound as though they established a mutually beneficial trading partnership, as opposed to a one-sided oppressive colonization that resulted in the deaths of untold thousands of natives and the rampant exploitation of their resources. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:04, 19 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Fully agree! Let's work on it. AnaSoc (talk) 02:15, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Agree! On the other side, there seems to be a massive gap between the Russian colonial period and the US history, which picks up in 1972. I also want to mention the Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians page which talks about treatment of Alaska Natives in WWII, in a period which is not at all mentioned here. Friendlyguy420 (talk) 00:57, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * As opposed to the Russian Empire and the USSR's harsh pograms against Siberian peoples/Tartar peoples, in which massive forced relocations in which hundreds of thousands die. Please.  The white Russian exploiters just never got that far before the U.S. gov't purchased it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.27.3 (talk) 20:42, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Why Alaska_Natives, not Alaskan_Natives
Why is the title Alaska_Natives, and not Alaskan_Natives? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:18, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * For whatever reason, that's just what they are called. I think it may actually be an official BIA designation, and (pardon my OR) I remember it being one of the standard options on the forms when I worked for the census as well. I have also heard and seen "Native Alaskans" but I think "Alaska natives" is actually more clearly referring to the ethnic group and not just persons of any ethnicity who happen to have been born and raised in Alaska. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:25, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The correct term is Alaska Native. Native Alaskan refers to anyone who was born in Alaska. This is the official census designation. We should include a section about pan ethnicity to explain the term. AnaSoc (talk) 02:17, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

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Need contemporary photos
All of the photos on this article are of historical Alaska Native peoples. They are a living people, so we should have photos of contemporary Alaska Natives. This one is a 2013 photo that is on wikimedia. Any objections to adding this to the first part of the article? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Alaska_Native_dancer_wearing_kuspuk.jpg#filehistory AnaSoc (talk) 22:25, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Below is a sample of relevant photos I've uploaded to Commons, many of which I've taken. The list below isn't complete;  if you wish, you can poke around my uploads and you'll no doubt find more.  I have plenty more in the queue, which I haven't been in any big hurry to upload because Commons appears interested mainly in catering to those who upload low-hanging fruit from the U.S. government in huge quantities.  I grew weary of their restrictive software environment and resultant countless failed uploads, as if they believe I really have the time to deal with that.


 * File:The Walkers and the Mallotts.jpg
 * File:Phillip Blanchett.jpg
 * File:Irene Bedard.jpg
 * File:John Shewfelt.jpg
 * File:Marc Brown and the Blues Crew.jpg
 * File:Shot Time and Cane Dance.jpg
 * File:Fairbanks Four at Potlatch, October 2016.jpg
 * File:Trio playing at the 2011 Athabascan Fiddle Festival.jpg
 * File:Gwich'in woman visits grave of elder relative at Birch Hill Cemetery, Fairbanks, Alaska.jpg
 * File:Neal Foster with family members, August 2012.jpg
 * File:Tony Vaska and Jim Duncan, August 2012.jpg
 * File:Joy Huntington riding in the 2012 Golden Days Parade.jpg
 * Hope this helps. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 23:19, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * excellent!AnaSoc (talk) 02:43, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I think the Joy Huntington photo would be an excellent addition to the page.AnaSoc (talk) 02:49, 20 May 2018 (UTC)