Talk:Alastair Cook/Archive 1

Nationality
Cook is self-evidently English, so shouldn't he be described as such in the lead? On the same point, is it normal to give an analysis of a person's ancestry in the lead paragraph? The main body of the article strikes me as the appropriate place for this kind of detail.

Someone's obviously keen to point out his Welsh ancestry - which is fine - but this is not so important as to be one of the very first things mentioned in the article, and to negate his being identified as English.

Furthermore, the wording of the "Early Life and Education" paragraph strikes me as unbalanced. It focuses on his Welsh ancestry ahead of his English ancestry (and these are 50:50, remember), citing his English father as a mitigating afterthought ("although") to his otherwise predominant Welshness. The facts of his life (born, raised and resident in England) suggest that the emphasis of this sentence should if anything be reversed.Shiresman (talk) 13:30, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I know what you mean, it does seem pretty unbalanced. Bainseyy (talk) 18:32, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * In fact, I don't think the welsh ancestry is important at all. 85% of welsh people have English ancestry, it is not uncommon for people in England or wales to have mixed ancestry. It does not even say that his mother has welsh ancestry, she may just live in wales for all we know. I think the whole 'Welsh Ancestry' section should be removed. Bainseyy (talk) 18:51, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the England cricket team also covers Wales, so he could be purely Welsh and still play for England. Still, there is no particular reason to go into detail about that, it's not overly important. 31.55.72.87 (talk) 15:30, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Bowling
Does he really bowl "slow", i.e. less than 40mph? Our article on fast bowling says nobody bowls that slow in professional cricket. Have any Essex fans seen him in action? Lfh 11:50, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * His average is over 50 in tests at the moment according to the cricket yesterday, so presumably some things need updating, I have updated the lead. SGGH speak! 09:27, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

GA Nom
It looks like this article was being prepared for a GA Nomination. What happened? Spiderone 17:05, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It wasn't really, I just took it on as a pet project to spruce it up because it was appalling before and only had 6 sources while I had some time with nothing to do and a hobby to invent. I've never taken an article to any kind of status before as I don't really know what it involves, I just improve them for the article's sake but if you want to nominate it or make the necessary improvements, feel free. Tony2Times (talk) 00:38, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's worth taking a look at the GA criteria as it can give you an idea of what to aim for in an article (although FA is the ideal, not every article can end up FA or GA). The important things when looking to take an article to GAN is to make sure it well referenced (which the article appears to be) and is broad in its coverage, ie: it includes all the main points of the subject. In a biography article such as this, something needs to be included on early life. This isn't always easy for cricketers as most of the coverage concentrates on their careers, but this article seems to do it well. Also important, is making sure it's well written. At GA level, this mainly means it's understandable and free from obvious gramatical errors.
 * It might be worth taking the article to GA as it can show what needs to be improved. For example, a reviewer who is unfamiliar with cricket would help you identify if jargon is used too much (a problem I suffer from when writing cricket related articles). Some jargon has to be used, as most people who read the article will be familiar with cricket, but it''s not always necessary and a fresh pair of eyes can help. Nev1 (talk) 00:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * May I also recommend a peer review? A lot of people there can help with the jargon. Spiderone  08:12, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Comments are here Spiderone  15:56, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

two captions
2 captions do not match the picture, suggest this should change. 1. Cook bowled his only Test over against South Africa at Lord's 2. Cook took the winning catch in the 2009 Ashes series. And the pictures of ashes urn is really necessary? LibStar (talk) 14:26, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Edit War
User:Englandcricketteam has been constantly reverting my edits: 1,2, 3. I believe the information he is adding is not fit for an encyclopedia and should be removed immediately. It is unreferenced and written like a story. If this is not sorted out I will file a report and have him banned for edit warring.Staglit (talk) 14:55, 14 July 2014 (UTC)


 * It takes two people to edit war. This article was several years out of set and I spent an awful lot of time getting it up to date. Therefore you can see how I may find it frustrating that you delete the entire section I have written. If you think you can make it better, by all accounts make edits if you think you can make it better. But please do not delete the entire section. Maybe if you told me what you thought was not good about it and I could try to make it better, but deleting the whole section is not constructive. Englandcricketteam (talk) 16:11, 14 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Englandcricketteam: I would suggest that you read this article. It permits me to remove any unsourced information without getting punished. I know you work hard on everything you add to this and you should be proud. Unfortunately, it is commonly accepted on Wikipedia that there should be citations for Everything. Do not revert and removal of unsourced content as it is authorized. Please continue to edit Wikipedia, but be aware of the rules. I have gotten in trouble several times, and it just takes some learning to get them down. Staglit (talk) 18:32, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Malformed ref
I've just added a reference to the Guardian supporting the date of birth of his first child, replacing a Citation Needed tag. It's my first edit of Wikipedia and the ref looks malformed on the page (currently no 181). It looks to me just like the ref just before it. Can someone check what I've done and correct it? Thanks ghytred  talk 13:40, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

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