Talk:Alba Baptista

Brazilian?
Esquire claims she is Portuguese and Brazilian? Anyone? (The article for Alba Baptista in Portuguese wikipedia does not contain any more information than the English language article, at this time.) -- 109.76.147.170 (talk) 04:27, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * This article suggests her father is Brazilian. -- 109.76.147.170 (talk) 06:29, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Her agency profile, which I should probably have checked first, lists her nationality as Portuguese and Brazilian. I'm going to update the article accordingly. -- 109.76.147.170 (talk)

The article is currently locked after persistent vandalism. Some people seem to be getting upset about the idea that Baptista might be of both Brazilian and Portuguese nationality. As already mentioned, the sources say both, and her father is Brazilian. In an effort to understand what might behind the vandalism I thought I should check if perhaps Portugal that does not allow dual-nationality, but it seems dual nationality is allowed in Portugal, so that doesn't explain the vandalism. -- 109.77.214.47 (talk) 23:54, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

She is not brazilian even though Portugal allows dual nationality she does not want it She is portuguese 87.196.81.124 (talk) 23:27, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Citation needed Anon 87 did not explain or discuss this properly. Wikipedia is supposed to be based on reliable sources but anon has not provided any. You cannot just assert things and ignore what sources are saying. The article previously said she was Brazilian-Portugues (based on reliable sources saying her father is Brazilian and her agency profile) but the Brazilian part was deleted repeatedly resulting in the article being locked. Two years later anon 87 is at it again deleting Brazilian from the open sentence.
 * At least this time anon 87 attempt to explain in their edit summaries "She's not brazilian in order for someone to have dual nationality they need to have lived in that country and apply for the papers not simply having a parent that is from a diferente nationally and this is not the case for alba please fix this she is portuguese only" and "Alba is not brazilian and does not have dual nationality she is only portuguese she does not have dual nationality even though Portugal allows it, she didn't want it Brazil only says she's brazilian because of Chris Evans stop this madness" That just about barely makes some sense, although I have no idea what Chris Evans has to do with any of this.
 * Nonetheless the fact is that her father is Brazilian and her mother is Portuguese. Irrespective of her legal status or which exact passport she holds it seems strange not to acknowledge that in the opening sentence. Her agency profile, lists her as Portuguese and Brazilian. It seems strange to ignore this self-identification as Brazilian-Portuguese when Wikipedia goes to great lengths to acknowledge other types of self identification. The article was locked as but the change was not reverted, it still seems to me like the delete of the word Brazilian should have been reverted. Are there any Wikipedia biography guidelines relevant here? Perhaps Wikipedia editors more familiar with the rules about biographies and nationality can clarify the issue. Anon could also clarify by providing reliable sources. -- 109.76.140.168 (talk) 15:29, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Another editor removed the information -- despite the sources clearly stating her father is Brazilian -- claiming that guideline MOS:ETHNICITY applies. It is not entirely clear to me that guideline supports excluding her Brazilian parentage from the lead, but if you really believe it does then the two references that were added to the lead section to support that she is Brazilian Portuguese should also be removed from the lead sentence. -- 109.79.73.37 (talk) 13:37, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Again if you really believe she shouldn't be listed as Brazilian Portuguese (and I remain skeptical of that interpretation of the guidelines) in the opening sentence the two references that are there specifically to support that exactly should also be removed. -- 109.77.201.123 (talk) 21:53, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

WP:RUMOR
This is supposed to be an encyclopedia. It is very strange that someone added vague rumors about an unnamed upcoming project with an unspecified "actor/producer". If reliable sources with some actual information or any specific relevant details are not yet available, then it should not be included in this encyclopedia biographical article until there are good sources. -- 109.76.140.168 (talk) 15:32, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Removed. Thank you. -- 109.77.197.187 (talk) 19:56, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Machete response to vandalism
Why, if the culprit responsible for the nationality-related vandalism, is known, does the article remain in lock-down? If it is going to continue this way, please edit this page, and add the usual tools to allow formal edit requests, and put in place the team to respond to such requests charitably and in a timely way. However, instead, the proper response has always been a range block or blocks capturing the re-offending party, and not a lock-down of the article against all non-logging editors.

In the mean time, please do the following constructive edits:
 * Add "| author = Eckardt, Steph | date = 2022-08-04" to citation [5]; justification: this is the readily available author and date of publication of the single most-cited citation in the article, which approaches being source to half of all cited content, and so deserves a full citation, per WP:VER and related guidelines.
 * Remove the Subtitle Talent citation, and replace it with ; justification: bios at talent agencies and workplaces are self-supplied autobios, and so not independent, third-party, reliable sources under WP:VER.
 * Review the remaining citations for completeness, and make the format of the author fields uniform (Last, First); justification: they are not now fully complete or uniform, and the alternative to fixing the issues is to place an article tag calling for uniform citations—otherwise to suffer continued additions to the article that follow this messy pattern of incomplete sources therefore verifiable only with difficulty; justification: because these are the standards to which our editorial guidelines call us.
 * Either now, or when the article is reopened, check the content against the citations, which, given other indications, might very well disclose incidences of comparable scholarly sloppiness (in the presentation of material from the sources, akin to the sloppiness of the presentation of the sources), at the same time, looking to improve sources from self-published and interview content, to third-party independent sources; justification: because those are our stated policies and guideline, and this piece aims to become encyclopedic, rather than remain fanzine quality.

Thank you for your attention to these concerns. Sign me, once-a-professor-and-still-occasionally-the-TV-watching-uncle 2601:246:C700:F1:8D7C:E906:9204:C740 (talk) 21:30, 7 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikpedia. Admins will lock articles for a time based on frequent disruptive edits. They will usually lock an article even if it seems like only one person is responsible for the disruptive edits. If you want to request an article be unlocked there's a process for that, you'll have to look it up. Commenting on the article talk page is unlikely to result in an article being unlocked early. If you want to request small specific changes you will need to read semi protected edit request and follow the instructions.
 * It does not seem as if the article locked because of disagreements over nationality but rather because trivia related to actor Chris Evans who Baptista may have been dating.
 * The version the admins lock does not necessarily represent a good version of the article, as can be seen in this case. The lead still claims she is only Portuguese despite reliable sources (and the article text itself) saying she is Brazilian-Portuguese. (The article also includes vague rumor of potential upcoming projects which is of dubious encyclopedic value.)
 * We will either have to wait for the article to be unlocked on December 23, or read the tedious documentation if we want to escalate the issues with the article. -- 109.77.197.187 (talk) 17:58, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I made one of your suggested edits, but if you know all these parameters for citations etc. you can also find Template:Request edit. One specific question per request, please. Drmies (talk) 18:04, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

vandalism
Please protect page 2601:14D:457F:1BC0:7D5D:163C:A7DC:77C7 (talk) 21:01, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Personal life
Why does this article include a section about who she is allegedly dating? I thought that dating was considered trivial gossip and not normally included in Wikipedia biographical articles? -- 109.79.73.37 (talk) 13:28, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Even if there is a good reason to include it the wording fails WP:RELTIME by saying "currently" instead of saying since when. -- 109.79.66.134 (talk) 07:14, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Eventually removed dating history not encyclopedic. -- 109.77.199.51 (talk) 13:12, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Marriage
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Chris Evans (actor) § Marriage. – Callme mirela &#127809; 23:04, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

I want come to you r city
i want come to you r country

125.62.90.96 (talk) 16:27, 13 December 2023 (UTC)