Talk:Albanian mafia

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I'm sorry if this is not the appropriate way of posting this, but the section of the article relating to Portugal, makes absolutely no sense. The source it uses has no relation whatsoever to what is stated in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.247.198.73 (talk) 23:34, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Some good sources
www.kosovoliberationarmy.com/AlbanianMafia.pdf

www.drmcc.org/IMG/pdf/4096451b0eb37.pdf (How is the Albanian Mafia setting up locally, nationally and in Europe)

http://londonstreetgangs.setbb.com/post1146.html#p1146 (Albanian Organised Crime in London) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.10.179.100 (talk) 10:00, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Did Albanian mafia stole your girlfrend, thats the only reason i can think of why someone make a post about Albanian mafia on Wikipedia in Valentines day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.209.130.239 (talk) 20:51, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

In Europe everyone from balkans specially the criminals are "Albanian", you would be suprised how most of those "Albanians" are from other ethnicities from balkans, this kind of info is laughable and is made by "journalists" who are afraid to anger the local criminals and the real mafias like Serbian and Russian mafias and take pure fabrications as fact in order to not end like Alexander Litvinenko or Boris Tsankov, writing about the "powerfull Albanian mafia" is like taking candy from children for them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.229.106.225 (talk) 02:41, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

"Real mafias" are any criminals in an organized gang. Serbian and Russian mafias are the same as Albanian mafias, except the Russian mafia is the largest and most successful mafia in the world. - Gradanin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gradanin (talk • contribs) 02:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Heroin Trade
This info has no official link to the Interpol data, only to an article on Kosovo.net:

According to Interpol data, in 1999 just on drug smuggling, the Albanian mafia earned 38 billion dollars. Two years later in 2001, the profit was 50 billion dollars, and in 2002 the profit was even 70 billion dollars.

http://www.kosovo.net/news/archive/ticker/2004/December_16/39.html

Therefore I have deleted this since it does not provide a direct source to the Interpol data.

POV: Many names, little reliable sources. I think the whole article should be checked by someone neutral --Noah30 (talk) 14:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The Interpol source is probably this one, and states "In 1998, the U.S. State Department listed the KLA as a terrorist organization, indicating that it was financing its operations with money from the international heroin trade and loans from Islamic countries and individuals, among them allegedly Usama bin Laden". Looking at the KLA article, is seems that KLA was taken down from that list on February 1998, but it looks certain that it was listed there, I just don't know for how long. --Enric Naval (talk) 15:34, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Truth
You can go to numerous websites and find the exact same quotes from different people and websites. Ill try to provide a interpol statistic for it. but take that neutrility thing off. you took the 70 billion dollar thing off and i wont put it back up until i find the interpol source. unless you can find anything else wrong with this article dont NPOV it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Money00912 (talk • contribs) 22:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

"[]"James Jatras is paid $100,000 a month from Serbs to spread, let's say, the Serb POV. He coincidentally was Larry Vraig's adviser when these Senate reports were written. He also testified for Slobodan Milosevic."

Jatras, between trips to Moscow and Brussels, said the foreign offices gave the group a “better platform” for international clients. Business opportunities not only include representing foreign governments before the U.S. Congress, but also facilitating relationships between foreign businesses and the federal government, and between domestic companies and foreign governments.

The lobbyists expect to bring around 12 clients with them to Squire Sanders Public Advocacy, the group’s official name. These include the Indian government, the Rodina political party in Russia, and the Serbian National Council of Kosovo and Metohija.

Some pay hefty fees. The Serbian group, for example, pays $100,000 a month, a portion of which goes to another public-relations firm." http://thehill.com/business--lobby/3-venable-lobbyists-leave-to-start-new-firm-2007-01-31.html{/quote} Keep it Fake (talk) 01:50, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Misrepresenting, misusing sources, and spewing anti-Albanian propaganda
This article is pure Serbian propaganda disguised as objective information on a subject that is scattered, arcane,controversial, and undefined. Sources, except two articles, on the Independent are cherry-picked on criminal activities as conducted by some obscure groups or number of individuals that are loosely connected to each other with random acts of violence or criminality. Such a case can be made about many groups and nationalities as diverse as Bulgarian gangs, Serbian thugs left-over from wars, Russian underground mobs, or the mighty Italian Mafia. To try and magnify, misrepresent, blow out of proportion, and hyperbolize about such groups on a national scale with the purpose of tarnishing the image of a country is nothing more than pure, unconstructed, and cheap propaganda that does not merit to be published in here. Add to that that this article directly misrepresents information to suit author's bias.

For example, the author or authors use an FBI source and claim that the article speaks about how Albanians were active in criminal activities in New York city since the 1980s. "In the United States, Albanian gangs started to be active in the mid-80s, mostly participating in low-level crimes such as burglaries and robberies. Later, they would become affiliated with Cosa Nostra crime families before eventually growing strong enough to operate their own organizations..."

If the reader want to see why this is a lie, please go to footnote # 6, click on the FBI link and read for yourself on what the article says. The FBI talks about Balkan Mafia, not Albanian mafia per se. "Balkan criminal organizations have been active in the U.S. since the mid-1980s. At first, these organizations were involved in low-level crimes, including bank robberies, ATM burglaries, and home invasions...'' FBI refers to Balkans Mafia and that may include groups and criminals as diverse as Albanians, Serbs, Bosnians, Croats, Macedonians, Bulgarians, Hungarians, etc.

In addition, author(s) use a site called www.Serbianna.com in two of their sources. Since its inception, this website has been spewing anti-Albanian propaganda 24/7. Please remove the article and restraint from attempting to use isolated groups of criminals, drug traffickers, and other underground activities to tarnish the image of the Albanian people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luftetari07 (talk • contribs) 20:39, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

big edit with lots of cruft
I just saw this huge edit adding a mix of encyclopedic details from reliable sources and irrelevant information about some criminal activities. It got reverted by a bot. We don't need to list every albanian criminal that ever got caught by the police, but there was some general info about albanian mafia. Can anyone extract the useful information from it? --Enric Naval (talk) 23:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Why did you remove the latest edit Enric Naval?Wikipedia is supposed to have its articles written from a NEUTRAL POINT OF VIEW.


 * The article is basically only a compilation of different, cherry-picked sources to justify this biased article on the "Albanian mafia"


 * I will readd the "Myth or Reality" section out of fairness again.If you remove it again, I will propose the entire, unfair propaganda
 * article for deletion.


 * One example for you and this article being biased is:
 * You removed my OFFICIAL UNITED NATIONS source, explaining that all types of crimes in the Balkans (including organized crime) have been reduced significantly, but you REPOST a 23 YEAR OLD article which has absolutely no meaning today!!!


 * Your article is from 1985 and claims that MAYBE in A FEW YEARS 25-40% of the heroin in the US COULD be moved through the Balkan route.
 * That articles prediction proved to be untrue.There havent been ANY official/legitimate since, claiming that the
 * Balkan Route is responsible for any amount of heroin shipped into the US.
 * Everybody knows that almost all heroin comes to the United States through Mexico.Besides that, the Balkan Route
 * IS NOT (by far not) exclusively controlled by Albanians.Bulgarians, Serbians and other groups control large portions of it as well.
 * But such "neutralizing" facts of course dont get written in this propaganda article.


 * Also it is just foolish to think that any significant amount would come from Afghanistan through the Balkans and then to the United States.
 * Just take a look at a world map.


 * Letting the Myth or Reality section stay is the least that can be done here to fulfill Wikipedia's policy of a Neutral Point Of View.
 * Just take a look at the Serbian sites I mentioned.That is where many of the lies, exaggerations and nonsense about Albanians stem from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Basey555 (talk • contribs) 08:27, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I reworded the reference to the 1985 article in order to make clear that it's not an estimation of what it would be moving on the future.


 * According to the Interpol, the Balkan route is currently a route to smuggle heroin to Europe . It's one of two routes used to smuggle 40% of afghan heroin (and in turn, I think that Afganistan accounts for 90% of heroin production or of its prime materials). I assume that part of that heroin winds up on the US, and that the DEA official was referring to this.


 * As I said on my edit summary, low level of criminality on the Balkans have nothing to do with Albanian mafia activity, otherwise Sicily would have the highest level of criminality on the world because of sicilian mafia. And, if you look at your source better, you can read "The one black spot remained organised crime and particularly the region's role in heroin trafficking (...) EU Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn said tackling organised crime and corruption remained "formidable challenges" in the Balkans. (...) those threats remained the greatest obstacles to visa-free travel to the EU for Balkan citizens (...) "The fact is that EU states and public opinion are worried about organised crime in the Balkans," "


 * Examples that albanian mafia is still active altough in decline, from the UN's Office on Drugs on Crime (found throught this search, the 2008 report appears twice):


 * "This is well illustrated by the example of Albanian and Colombian criminal clusters. The term ‘Albanian organized crime’ is now often used, and indeed Albanians criminal organizations play an increasingly important role in supplying the European drug market. (...)" followed by a long description. "Group 31: Group with no name - Italy (...) The group comprises individuals of Italian, Albanian and Montenegrin nationality" Report from 2002 Results of a pilot survey of forty selected organized criminal groups in sixteen countries


 * (I think that this one is also the source for the Reuters article on the Myth and Reality secion) page 14, look at the 2004 map of Organised Crime suspects, Albania has the highest number. "Heroin is not the only drug smuggled through the region. Cannabis is cultivated for export in Albania and Bulgaria, and sporadic seizures of cocaine and synthetic drugs are also made. Precursors for heroin manufacture have been seized travelling the opposite direction on the Balkan route. (...) Heroin represents the highest value contraband flow, and, since the mid-1990s, ethnic Albanian traffickers have been said to control the trafficking of this commodity west into Europe. Past estimates suggested that ethnic Albanian traffickers controlled 70% or more of the heroin entering a number of key destination markets, and they have been described as a “threat to the EU” by the Council of Europe at least as recently as 2005. In fact, ethnic Albanian heroin trafficking is arguably the single most prominent organised crime problem in Europe today." This is followed by a discussion of how the term "ethnic albanian" tars Albania with action of ethnic albanians that happen to be citizens of othe countries (and this part would be a very good inclusion to the article) "Citizens of Albania do continue to provide Italy with a large share of its heroin: about half the heroin seized by the Italian authorities in 2006 was taken from Albanian nationals." but this is surroended by an analysis of how the traffic and arrests have ben declining since the war gave such good conditions for trafficking (again, a very encyclopedic addition to the article. Follows an analysis of percentage of ethnic albanian in trafic arrestees and percentage of drug that they moved. "In short, the single most notorious Balkan organized crime phenomenon – the role played by ethnic Albanian traffickers in West European heroin markets – appears to be in decline. Similar trends are seen in the other major organised crime markets involving the region.". Graphic on page 16, decline of albanian arrests on Germany, declining since 2000. "More remarkably, there appears to have been a reduction in various forms of organised crime that emerged during the years of transition and conflict. Heroin trafficking by ethnic Albanians – the single most notorious Balkan crime phenomenon – has apparently diminished in its scale, based on an analysis of statistics provided by West European law enforcement agencies" "Murder rates have declined significantly in recent years. It was the chaos accompanying the war and economic collapse that led to the growth of ethnic Albanian organised crime groups, and growing order appears to be undermining their competitiveness (...) The more that social and political conditions normalise, the more that criminal groups will lose their grip on Kosovo." (I stopped here, report too long for the time I have right now) Report from 2008 Crime and its impact on the Balkans


 * It would appear that the 2002 report did not notice the decline that, from reading the 2008 report, appears to have started around 2000 or since the end of the war --Enric Naval (talk) 19:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Neutrality
The article is well based on citation and it holds neutral POV in my view. however, "Myth or reality" section by Basey555 will enhance the article, as such i appreciate his/her effort. I read through the article and I dont find enric naval edition any bias.

Hitrohit2001 (talk) 09:17, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * If you look at my comment on section above, the section Myth or Reality is not based on real statistics of crime, is a personal assessment not based on any published sources, says that the interpol source and other official sources don't exist, and misquotes the Reuter's web to say that there is no That's why I deleted it. I'll probably just go and rework it to make more neutral and take out any original research that I find, since it makes some valid point like " the level of crime among Albanians is no higher than among other ethnic groups in the Balkans." and the lowering of crime on Albania (which has caused the decline on albanian organized crime in turn). However, statements like "which are known to be very biased and dubious" need to be supported by some source or deleted. --Enric Naval (talk) 19:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Myth or reality
After doing thorough research on the matter, I realize that Myth or Reality section is not at all encyclopedic. It is purely local or personal, it is not global. And by global, I mean, what world thinks, its not about Serbian or Albanian view.

Instead of talking about Albanian mafia, this section talks about Serbian deeds. Various claims are made here which rely not on substantial evidence but on terms like Many Critics feels that and vast majority of articles talk about.

In some statement it tries to contradict entire article. Hence, It should be speedily removed. Hitrohit2001 (talk) 21:20, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Myth or reality
Ok Enric and Hitrohit.I understand what you mean and I honestly appreciate your effort to make the article as correct as possible!

I will research this in even more detail and rework the Myth Or Reality section.

I didnt mean to contradict the entire article, but just to make it more neutral.

And even though I maybe shouldnt have formulated it that "drastically", it is by no means only a local or Albanian point of view.

There is no doubt that the Serbian websites I mentioned have been doing spreading anti-Albanian defamation articles for years.

Just take a look at www.kosovohere.com for example:

It is titled "We want Kosovo truth.Say NO to JIHAD".That is ridiculous.Look at the type of material it includes.

Like the other sites it repeatedly talks about "radical Albanian muslims", when it is a fact that Islam does NOT play a really

significant role in the Albanian society.

"The country does not have a history of religious extremism and takes pride in the harmony that exists across religious traditions and practices. Religious pragmatism continued as a distinctive trait of the society and interreligious marriage has been very common throughout the centuries, in some places even the rule. There is a strong unifying cultural identity, where Muslims and Christians see themselves as Albanian before anything else."

"Churches and mosques you shall not heed / The religion of Albanians is Albanism"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Albania

Take a look at serbianna.com which is also CLEARLY biased, trying to make the impression as if its articles are "official".

In its "Srebrenica massacre" article (just one out of MANY) it only talks about the "BOSNIAN MUSLIM ATROCITIES", when it is known that the war crimes fugitive Ratko Mladic, has killed up to 8000 bosnian men aged from 12 to 77 in Srebrenica 1995. No word about that.

Or take a look at their front page at the news.

"Illegal constitution to be enforced in Kosovo A so-called "constitution" by Islamic separatists to be enforced starting today may threaten to worsen ethnic tensions says AP."

AP=Associated Press would NEVER and HAS NEVER written that.Certainly not in that way, but information gets cherry picked even here on Wikipedia and rewritten as to suit the authors bias.

Or this:

"Alerts rise for Jihadi attacks in the Balkans"

Its easy to see how ridiculously biased the site is, isnt it?

Lets continue with srpska-mreza.com.At its starting page it has a picture of Bill Clinton and other famous American politicians titled with "WANTED - WAR CRIMINAL".

And guess what they write next to it???? They write : FREE MILOSEVIC - HANDS OFF YUGOSLAVIA - NOW!

Lets go on with Kosovo.net, a site titled "Serbian Orthodox Church".

It is the site that claimed:

"According to Interpol data, in 1999 just on drug smuggling, the Albanian mafia earned 38 billion dollars. Two years later in 2001, the profit was 50 billion dollars, and in 2002 the profit was even 70 billion dollars."

That Interpol date doesnt exist and has never existed.Absurd, isnt it?

This is the type of material that gets spread throughout the Internet and has even been on Wikipedia until someone removed it

All those websites have been referred to in the past in this article.

There are many more such sites created by that same group of people and many more examples, but I think thats enough for now.

I think I have proven that calling those websites dubious and mentioning that they even use "ghost sources" to make their point, like kosovo.net did, is justified.

The sad point is, THESE are the types of websites you find first, if you type in "Albanian mafia" or even just "Albanians" or "Kosovo" in Google, instead of serious and official reports.

People who dont know about the backgrounds of the Kosovo conflict get blinded by these materials, and believe them and spread them, without asking questions.THAT IS propaganda and misleading, biased information.

I am sure you can understand now why I think the Myth Or Reality section should definitely remain (although slightly rewritten which I will do soon)

''  EnricNaval:"According to the Interpol, the Balkan route is currently a route to smuggle heroin to Europe [4]. It's one of two routes used to smuggle 40% of afghan heroin (and in turn, I think that Afganistan accounts for 90% of heroin production or of its prime materials). I assume that part of that heroin winds up on the US, and that the DEA official was referring to this." You changed the original quote into:"In 1985, DEA officials estimated that, while less well known than the so-called Sicilian and French connections, the Balkan route might be moving every year 25% to 40% of the U.S. heroin supply.[2]"''

How can you imply that the Balkan Route is NOW accounting for 25-40% of the heroin smuggled into the US???

The original article from 1985 only said that MAYBE, SOME DAY the Balkan Route might account for 25-40% of the heroin in the US, but in the last twenty years there hasnt been one report confirming that PREDICTION.And you have no source saying it is true.

Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia with facts and neutral articles, not PREDICTIONS which have proven to be untrue, and GUESSES of how much heroin is MAYBE smuggled nowadays.And certainly not a site to change original quotes as one sees fit.

Also in the article it is said that:"According to a Interpol testimony on 2000, there might still be links between political/military Kosovar Albanian groups (especially the KLA) and Albanian organized crime."

There is a source for that, but HOW can there be connections between the KLA and organized crime when in 2000 the KLA didnt exist?? The KLA was officially disbanded after the war.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Basey555 (talk • contribs) 00:39, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * There are lots of reliable sources that talk about albanian organized crime, see this 2003 NATO Parliamentary Assembly report, so it's not a conspiracy. The 38 billion million Interpol data is quoted on more reliable sources like here and probably comes from a Government of Serbia report called "Albanian Terrorism and Organized Crime in Kosovo and Metohija" and whose original version is here, see a translation to english where it seems that they used the figures reported by a journalist, I quote the footnote "The information published in the "National Post" on April 13th 2000 where the author cited the Interpol Report.", and there I lost the track because I couldn't find the article on the National Post website where it seems that they are only indexing articles from 2008, and I also found an articel on how unreliable the National Post is for reporting Interpol statistics so it would be better to find the original Interpol source for the exact figures. See also more information on "SERBIAN GOVERNMENT PUBLISHES WHITE BOOK ON ALBANIAN TERRORISM IN KOSOVO" and http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1268188/posts blog post making a long detailed summary. For the "Associated Press would NEVER and HAS NEVER written that" thing, please look at this Yahoo News article: "(the constitution) threatens to worsen ethnic tensions between Kosovo's majority Albanians and Serb minority". so they were actually quoting AP, altought in a misleading way, so, of course, we shouldn't use those sources for the article, but they are not totally making up the Interpol data or the AP releases.


 * You see, all this analysis you are doing is original research and is not backed by any reliable source, so you'll have to find some published sources that do this analysis or it will eventually be removed independently of whether your analysis is correct or not. Meanwhile, I have removed a pair of weasel words and tagged several sentences.


 * Also, take another look at the 1985 source. It says that the Balkan route may already move those percentages. The DEA official refers to percentages moved in 1984, 1983, 1982, etc, he is not making a prediction of how much it will move in the future, he is stating how much it is already moving. I reworded it again to see if I can make it clearer --Enric Naval (talk) 03:45, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * About references to KLA on a 2000 report, I assume that he is talking about former members of the KLA which are still using the same criminal contacts that they had when the KLA still existed, since the report makes a list of criminal contacts that the KLA had right after talking of the links. --Enric Naval (talk) 03:45, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I never said it is a conspiracy, and you are wrong again with your source: http://rieas.gr/

That article is written by Ioannis Michaletos, the home author of Serbianna.com, and it actually IS the SAME article as on serbianna.com.

On what reliable sources is the 38 billion Interpol data based???There IS NO INTERPOL report existing that includes the 38 billion figure.

The 38 billion isnt even mentioned in the article you refer to, so what was the point in posting it?

Yes the AP article said "ethnic tensions between Albanians and Serbians" might worsen.

But are you joking?Serbianna quoted the AP article?

They said "A so-called "constitution" by Islamic separatists..."

That doesnt sound biased or strange to you?

The difference between AP and serbianna is that AP is independent and NEUTRAL, serbianna interprets and rewrites things as they see fit, just like this article.

The article used to be much worse but other members here have contributed to put it at the state it is at now, which I still think is not OK though.

And I still dont get how you come to the conclusion that the 1985 article is talking about how much it was moving back then.

It says that the heroin from the case has been smuggled through the Balkan Route back then in 1985 but it certainly doesnt amount to 25-40% percent.That was clearly a prediction of possible developments.

Also that was an individual heroin case, and that crime ring has been broken up.

To have only a 23 year old article as a backup, for a claim inducing the thought that Albanians might smuggle up to 40% of the heroin in America is absurd.

See this source:http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A36532-2001Oct22&notFound=true

"The U.S. government reports that only 5 percent of heroin entering the United States comes from Afghanistan" A whopping 5 percent!!!!!

Can you tell me how I can propose this article for deletion?

It is obviously full of mistakes and not acceptable. ...Taking individual crimes of small groups and giving it a pseudo background with the Kanun, to form an image of an Albanian mafia.

And you wont even let the Myth Or Reality stay, when you are allowed to use sources from 1985 and even rewrite them —Preceding unsigned comment added by Basey555 (talk • contribs) 04:46, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That 5% figure is for 2001, not for 1985. The article that you cite states that the production had rised dramatically on Afghanistan when Taliban rose to power, going up from 52% on 1996, so the DEA official statement is perfectly possible, since in 1985 Afganishtan's production was most probably way higher than 5%. Please don't remove this sourced information again. A article from 1985 is perfectly fit for talking about events on 1985, and I don't agree at all with your analysis of what the DEA agent is saying.


 * Now, I'll restore the "fact" tags that you removed, until you can provide published reliable sources for those statements. It's nothing personal, it's just that wikipedia articles are not for publishing personal opinion unless it's from reliable sources. Please understand that wikipedia articles are written from a neutral point of view, and are only reporting what published reliable sources have said. I understand that you are trying to improve the article, but wikipedia articles are not for righting things that are wrong, we are to report facts from reliable sources. The myth and reality section is out of place on the article and I only preserved it so some other editor had an opportunity to find sources for the statements.


 * In the same line of using reliable sources to back the information on the page, I restored the information that you removed, since it's sourced from reliable sources, like the Washington Post and the US Senate website.


 * About the other things you mention, the 38 million (million, not billion) thing and the AP thing, you are right that it's just a side issue, and I see that I shouldn't have mentioned it. I'll refrain myself from commenting on it again.


 * If you want to propose the article for deletion, then you can do it at WP:AFD. There are instructions there for doing so. --Enric Naval (talk) 01:18, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Prejudices and realities
By Kosovar Stability Initiative Monday, 08 December 2008

[removed copy/pasting]

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.229.105.15 (talk) 00:32, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * removed copy/pasting of a long external article, I put a link to the original source instead. --Enric Naval (talk) 18:48, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Rm of "History"
Removed whole paragraph that links the Kanun to the mafia. There isn't one single reference to support those claims. OR activity by the anti-Albanians is to be removed. --  S undefined ulmues (talk) 01:28, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

As I see according to this [] they are closely linked so I restore this section with the source tag for now. In general we should make carefull steps when performing massive removals.Alexikoua (talk) 09:13, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

removed sentence in history
I removed this sentence that did not fit into the history section about the Kanun. The leader Meech Rasi was also known as "Big Meech" was invloved in drug trafficking along New Yorks east side. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdupont (talk • contribs) 21:37, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Cleaning UP
Hi

Can you please post here why and to what do you object about my edtting.--MJDANikhila (talk) 10:47, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

the point "to 30" and that the mempership is about 600 are not backed by the source. the only point backed by source is that "according to ....the Albanian mafia consists of 15 clans" therefore as it stands is it misleading and POV so i am altering to reflect the source--MJDANikhila (talk) 10:56, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I dont see how the current info on "History" section is relevant to modern/contemporary criminal undertakings. the history section goes. Please find info on the history Albanian mafia since the late 80s. before that there is no evidence of an Albanian mafia.--MJDANikhila (talk) 11:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Also "structure" goes. I had a look at the sources and there is no much evidence about the nature of structure and uniformity--MJDANikhila (talk) 11:21, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Albanian gangster "Redinel Dervishaj"
Redinel Dervishaj an Albanian gangster was arrested for murdering a Staten Island man. See: "Suspect wanted for stabbing Staten Island man busted in Chicago" by Doug Auer (March 20, 2012) New York Post This could be added into the United States section. --Vic49 (talk)  21:47, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Prominent list
This article is sort of out of control. Let's start with the too long list of allegedly prominent members. 22 people, most of whom are not notable in terms of Wikipedia standards. Much of the list is unsourced. There needs to be a sourced reason for why they're included. I'll re-address the list soon. Niteshift36 (talk) 21:38, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

False allegations about Albanian Mafia in Portugal The intire chapter about Portugal is fake. Albanian crime in Portugal is seasonal, usually some thefts (offices, banks, etc). The link inserted in order to confirm The allegations referes to a labour problem between a doctor and the administration of the hospital where he works, and has nothing to do with Albanian Mafia. Tony 16H02 20 june 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.141.30.28 (talk) 15:03, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Feel free to remove anything that is presented falsely. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:41, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Germany
deleted the germany section. this part was poorly written, containing little fact and the few sources were all pretty bad. mainly conspiracy nutters and blogs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.83.143.224 (talk) 21:50, 18 March 2014 (UTC)


 * The section had 3 paragraphs. I agree that the first and third paragraphs were quite bad. But the second paragraph was sourced to the Spiegel.


 * I restored the second paragraph. I also had to rewrite it because it was a copyright violation (someone had copy/pasted whole sentences from the source). --Enric Naval (talk) 22:34, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

How to join
I want to join from Saudi Arabia 2A00:5400:F003:C68E:403C:F42A:ED68:1E3D (talk) 11:04, 9 June 2023 (UTC)