Talk:Albert Szent-Györgyi

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Here's an amusing fact... Queen Mary had an ancestor, on her Hungarian side, by the name of Maria Thoroczkay de Thoroczkó-Szent-György (1687 - 1738) (see here). I bet she must have been related to this chap. Now, which would be more difficult - confirming this, or finding some way of making it relevant enough to stick it into the Wikipedia... ;) -- Oliver P. 15:31 5 Jun 2003 (UTC)


 * It's interesting... At first it seemed to be a coincidence, but websites state Szent-Györgyi was from an old Transylvanian noble family, and Torockó is indeed in Transylvania. Anyway, I don't think it's particularly relevant to the article, but it's interesting. :) Alensha 22:06, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Interesting indeed. Szent-György was a friend, and a participant in my infamous "Alternative Futures and Present Choices" theatre piece in 1967.  I've always treasured a remark he once made to me, "An IQ difference of thirty points means that one person can solve by inspection a problem that no amount of explanation can make clear to the other -- and we meet people across two of those bridges in an ordinary day."


 * I wonder whether there be any cultural stream that unites these two Szent-György families across space and centuries just as it pop up reverence for Saint George in England and in Eastern Europe in rather the same way?


 * A quite different point: there is some complexity to the question of who "invented" Vitamin C, and Albert SG was always careful not to make the claim for himself. I forget all the details, but in broad outline the existence and medicinicity of ascorbic acid were known (obviously they were the basis of the British navy's strength for centuries);  Szent-György clarified the matter and perhaps promoted the very common acid to vitamin status.  More expert correction would be appropriate.


 * David Lloyd-Jones (talk) 18:50, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

V0.5 review
Albert Szent-Györgyi was nominated for the V0.5 release. However, this article is not well-referenced and is not comprehensive: there's not much on Albert Szent-Györgyi's work, for example, and the article would benefit from some restructuring so his research is not buried in his biography. The scope is also fairly limited, and I don't think the subject is sufficiently notable to warrant inclusion in V0.5. With some work, this article might make it into a later release. -- bcasterline • talk 05:20, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Just replying this part: I don't think the subject is sufficiently notable to warrant inclusion in V0.5.; well, I'm sure a few people would disagree who use Vitamin-C as either in the form of pills or by using Vitamin-C-rich food. :-) He didn't get the Nobel prize for nothing, no offense. (As other Nobel laureates, either; that's quite a notable achievement…) --grin ✎ 10:56, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Name
I think his name is nagyrápolti Szent-Györgyi Albert, so there is no "von". It is German, we don't use "von" in Hungary. The Hungarian Wikipedia does not write "von". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.56.206.12 (talk) 17:50, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Date Error
The Move to the United States section begins with "In 1688, Szent-Györgyi established the Institute for Muscle Research at the Marine Biological Laboratory in Woods Hole, Massachusetts with financial support from Hungarian businessman Stephen Rath." Obviously, 1688 is not the correct date. Does anyone know what is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.255.151 (talk) 04:07, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

The section now says "In 1947, Szent-Györgyi established the Institute for Muscle Research ..." as well as "In 1950, grants from the Armour Meat Company and the American Heart Association allowed him to establish the Institute for Muscle Research". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.221.200.67 (talk) 14:28, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

The section about the Google doodle indicates it's 108 birthday annv. when it 118. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.96.45.129 (talk) 14:40, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Delhi?
Some smartssa dude has changed the title to Life in Delhi and move to Delhi. I guess today being his birthday and Google accentuating it on its homepage is going to attract a lot of vandals. Wtachout! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.236.248.229 (talk) 04:36, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes Google did give this article a bump, thanks for the heads-up, It's now semi-protected and on many editors watchlist :) - ▪◦▪ ≡S i R E X≡  Talk 05:27, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Zeorge.b, 16 September 2011
I want to add something original

Zeorge.b (talk) 06:30, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * no change specified. Agathoclea (talk) 11:51, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Ancestry
Why is his ancestry mentioned? That section of the article does not suggest his ancestry is meaningful or famous in any way. Wikipedia articles on people do not usually provide a family tree. I recommend deletion of that section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.178.208.167 (talk) 07:13, 16 September 2011 (UTC) In what way is knowledge about him increased with omitting his family-tree? Most prominent families in Hungary were persecuted, harassed, deported and emigrated because of pressure from dictatures.(Stalin and/or Hitler and companies) You could say that they were deleted from Hungary. Why do you have to delete it from Wikipedia then? Laszlo of Stockholm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.176.225.157 (talk) 12:39, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Tax Resister?
The page places Szent-Györgyi in the 'American Tax Resisters' category. However, nowhere else on the page is that referenced nor can I find any such information confirming that in a web search.

Charri68 (talk) 08:11, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Extra source
Since this is semi-protected and I'm anon, I just want to reference this source, which I stumbled upon here at nndb.com. It gives extra dates for his first wife, names a first daughter not mentioned in the wikipedia article, and a few other dates too. There's probably other information in there which could be useful in the article. Perhaps someone more keen than I (sorry!) would like to look at it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.158.45.40 (talk) 08:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Google honor
Google is honoring this subject with its doodle (logo) today. I removed the ugly template requesting inline citations as it detracts from the user experience. Please try to improve the article and remember to be welcoming to new editors. Jehochman Talk 10:38, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

There is an error in the Google Doodle part of the article: it should say it celebrates his 118th birthday, not 108th. The reference is also not displayed properly. Someone should make the corrections as I am not allowed to. HogWilde (talk) 14:41, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

The section "Children and Grandchildren" should probably be renamed "Legacy" so as to more accurately reflect it's contents. His Google doodle isn't really one of his children. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.249.113 (talk) 19:21, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Usually, these things are under Trivia section (can't edit article either) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.12.49.14 (talk) 22:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Is a google doodle an honor? In the brief biography that is a wikipedia entry, many more significant events in his life were excluded. This doesn't belong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steakknives (talk • contribs) 01:38, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's an honour. 108th would have nice Vedic overtones, I suppose. 118th I don't know about.
 * David Lloyd-Jones (talk) 18:58, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Spouses
The box lists 2 spouses, the text 3. However the text also mentions that the 2nd spouse in the box is actually his 4th. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.31.32.59 (talk) 11:11, 16 September 2011 (UTC) he had a cousin her name was djeinabo djalo she live3s next island — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.162.134 (talk) 18:05, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

In 1941, he divorced his first wife and married Marta Miskolczy, according to: http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/ps/retrieve/Narrative/WG/p-nid/147 I cannot edit the protected page - would someone please add this to the page? Thanks. Rpaullin (talk) 12:40, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

States that he had four wives, but really only had two, now every news article on the planet has copied the wiki page. Perfect example of why you don't cite Wiki...morons are putting in the wrong information and then protecting it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.169.164.235 (talk) 18:54, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * IMHO it is mainly an example of, two things: [1] The fact that it is a good idea to be very careful to review correctness, "before" a given article gets a huge number of visitors (by [a phenomenon analogous to] being "Slashdotted"!) due to a link from some very-often-visited web page; and, [2] The fact that, when a given article does get a lot of visitors (e.g. as just discussed), then we will get a lot of eyes reading it, and ["some" of them will also be] checking it, so that if anything does "happen" to be BOGUS, then the issue will probably get squawked (reported) on a "Talk:" page (or, -- if the article is not "protected" -- it "might" actually get fixed, by someone "boldly" stepping up and editing it. :-).


 * Well, actually I am confident that this "fourth wife" fiasco WILL get fixed [eventually] -- maybe just not right away; and "meanwhile", a lot of those visitors ("readers") who came here from that Google web page, might start scratching their heads, as if to say, "Hey, what about the second and third wives?" :-).  CU! Just my 0.02! --Mike Schwartz (talk) 20:46, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * By the way, IF that sentence about Marcia Houston being his "fourth wife" is indeed wrong, then I think the culprit EDIT has been identified. See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Albert_Szent-Gy%C3%B6rgyi&diff=prev&oldid=408743980 where that sentence was added.  Just "FYI". --Mike Schwartz (talk) 20:59, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * By the way, that remark saying "morons are putting in the wrong information and then protecting it!" seems to be misguided, or at least exaggerated. When I looked, the article was SEMI protected -- which means that, the guy -- Rpaullin (talk) -- who wrote "I cannot edit the protected page" might have been PARTLY right -- (if Rpaullin has some important reason why he/she does not want to log on, or does not have a User ID, or is not an autoconfirmed user, then it might not be possible to edit even a SEMI protected article page);  but [apparently] I could (or, someone like me, could) edit the article -- if/when it is known whether "fourth" should be changed to "third" or "second" (or something else) (or left "as is", -- but maybe with some explanatory verbiage to pre-empt the "otherwise-likely" confusion?).  Haha! --Mike Schwartz (talk) 21:16, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Sskodak, 16 September 2011
Under the Legacy line the reference to the Google Doodle is in honor of his 118th birthday and not the 108th birthday.

Cheers!

just adding to yours

yep he's right 2011-1893 = 118 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.36.126 (talk) 14:54, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Sskodak (talk) 14:50, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done by User:Synesthetic. — Bility (talk) 16:21, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Pronunciation
I added (or rather, attempted to add) an IPA pronunciation for this article (See WP: IPA for Hungarian) with what little knowledge I have acquired for the pronunciation of Hungarian words. Someone more knowledgeable, especially a native speaker, should verify this, and please post a reply comment on this discussion page. For the purpose of comparison, please see the German language page, de:Albert von Szent-Györgyi Nagyrápolt, as the Hungarian language (Magyar) page hu:Albert von Szent-Györgyi Nagyrápolt lacks the native pronunciation. Furthermore, if there is an anglicization of Szent-Györgyi's name, please include that as well. Thanks! Adavis444 (talk) 15:11, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

√ :The IPA text is correct. I dont know about English version. -- hu:Rodrigo (talk) 12:00, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Swedish nationality
Accourding to deWiki it was granted for his opposition to the Nazi regime. No citation given there either, but I have asked on the German talkpage for a source. Agathoclea (talk) 15:18, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Me
I am amazing and a multi millionare — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.5.7 (talk) 16:57, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit reuqest: Remove &lt;br/&gt; from Infobox "Known for" line.
Ths infobox says he is " ". The line-break appears to assume a particular screen width; on my display it appears halfway though the second line, making what could be three lines take four and look quote odd.

I think the right thing to do is simply delete it, and let the viewer's web browser figure out line breaks. Thank you! 71.41.210.146 (talk) 17:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done — Bility (talk) 19:52, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Hungarian resistance
The seems to be an error regarding the hyperlink "hungarian resistance" as it leads to an article regarding a subject way before his time. change to hungarian resistance of ww2? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.157.24 (talk) 17:54, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "resistance movement" was linked, not "Hungarian resistance", so the link just went to the general article we have on resistance movements. I changed it to point to Resistance during World War II to be more specific, but I couldn't find any article or section having to do with a specifically Hungarian resistance. — Bility (talk) 20:03, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Wilsynet, 16 September 2011
The addition of "On September 16, 2011, the 118th anniversary of his birth, Szent-Györgyi was honored with a Google Doodle depicting oranges and several other fruit, a reference to his work with vitamin C." seems trivial and is certainly mis-categorized under the "Children and Grandchildren" section of the Wikipedia entry. I do not believe it is relevant to the biography entry whether Google put up a Doodle on this day.

If we must keep the Google entry, would suggest an "Honors and References in Popular Culture" section.

Wilsynet (talk) 21:12, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree the mention of Google is irrelevent, so I removed it. WP:BRD.  Chzz  ► 03:01, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

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Edit request: Sources for influence of Hamburger
I see no mention of Hamburger in Albert's main entry nor of Albert in Hamburger's entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.176.167.182 (talk) 02:53, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

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Possible improvements
A few questions that might orient the article's development: — Paleo Neonate  – 21:15, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * A primary source by Szent-Györgyi is used about the Apollonians and the Dionysians, if it's possible to find other sources to interpret and describe it it would be best. This is also the type of claim that can be partly true yet at the same time a common excuse when others couldn't replicate experiments and reproduce results...
 * Some publications are old like from the 50s, was there an impact of those hypotheses on current biology or medicine? In relation to free radicals, the source is a book from Ralph W. Moss, an altmed proponent.  There's a claim about impact on redux signaling, but unsourced.