Talk:Alberta Highway 63

No mention of when it was first built?
Has it existed forever?Landroo (talk) 19:59, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Since the Jurassic era, yes. -- Acefitt 06:29, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Congratulations, this passes as a Wikipedia Good Article
(This is "repeated" here fo when the review is no longer transcluded)

Congratulations, this passes as a Wikipedia Good Article. Nice work!  North8000  (talk) 12:24, 15 March 2017 (UTC) Reviewer

Traffic and Collisions
Others will check one of the many social media accounts devoted to the highway to find out when the super-wide loads are moving through so they can schedule their trips around them.

'' The Globe and Mail talked to many who have a stake in road rescue – towing companies, safety advocates, first responders – and all cited the shift-worker lifestyle as a major factor in the high rate of collisions on Highway 63. At the camps north of Fort McMurray, the Monday-to-Friday, 9-to-5 work week is replaced with a range of other rotations: 14 days on and seven off, seven on and seven off, six on and one off. Workdays are often 10 or 12 hours long. Most work camps are dry, so the end of a rotation has come to be associated with letting loose. Between 2008 and 2012, 5.6 per cent of drivers in fatal collisions had consumed alcohol, and 28.9 per cent were traveling at an unsafe speed.'' FobTown (talk) 20:22, 2 April 2020 (UTC)


 * The problem is that what you wrote is not directly correlated by an anecdotal statement in the article. It needs to be written in a way that is not OR, and I will do so. -- Acefitt 21:12, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

How its it not correlated? If you have a suggestion that would be greatly appreciated. leading to social media warnings of super-wide loads so that motorists could schedule their trips around them.  The move away from the Monday-to-Friday, 9-to-5 work week to shift-work (14 days on and seven off, seven on and seven off, of 10-12 hour workdays), plus workers not being flown in/out to work camp during shift-changes, and such shift workers are the motorists who tend to drive faster then the speed limit and/or consuming alcohol. (revised) FobTown (talk) 21:33, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * It is anecdotal evidence from random people and therefore useless. I'm not changing it anymore because I don't care, but if AB Transportation has numbers to prove that the stupidity is the result of shift work, which they won't, then you could phrase it the way you did before. -- Acefitt


 * I figured out that if its good enough for the Globe and Mail, then it should suffice for Wikipedia. Of course it is acknowledged that AB Transportation is widening the highway even if numbers alone isn't justification, the anecdotal evidence of those wide loads is likely a factor, as well as what road rescue tends to deal with. Sort of similar to freeway improvements on the "Carnage alley" on Ontario Highway 401. FobTown (talk) 22:34, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Again, the problem is the lack of correlation between people working shifts and increased alcohol/speed-related collisions, aside from anecdotes. There is no actual evidence of that. The only evidence we have is Alberta stating that 63's collisions are actually BELOW average. The wide load stuff or whatever is irrelevant. -- Acefitt 23:07, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * FobTown, a sincere thanks for your efforts. But aside from the questions already noted, this is an encyclopedia which has different goals and standards for inclusion than, for example. a public service bulletin board.   Those include material being able to comply with wp:V Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 01:07, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's just not something you can include. So the statistic is apparently "5.6 per cent of drivers in fatal collisions had consumed alcohol, and 28.9 per cent were traveling at an unsafe speed." So you now need 2 things for that to mean anything - you need the percentages for fatal collisions on other Alberta highways, and if 63 ranks higher in those 2 metrics you need some proof that shift work is the result of those spikes. The first stat is probably available. There is no possible way that the second stat would be available or exist. There's also the fact that 100% of the traffic is not oil sands workers, let alone shift workers, nor could 100% of fatal collisions be attributed to a certain demographic. Correlating the 2 is a step beyond WP:OR, it's pretty much just a bad assumption. -- Acefitt 10:08, 3 April 2020 (UTC)