Talk:Albion Mill, Ancoats

More than one Albion Mill
I think there may be more than one Albion Mill or Mills in Manchester. For the one which was near the Britons Protection: Nice ref: Fitzgerald, Ron. "Albion Mill, Manchester." Industrial Archaeology Review 10.2 (1988): 204-230. Where: Albion Street (the present Temple Street), Fiddle Street (the present Albion Street), the Rochdale Canal. "Albion Mill, demolished in 1983, was a good example of a 'fireproof' Manchester cotton textile mill of the second decade of the nineteenth century" The other one, from the picture here and still extant - converted into a residential or an office buildings is I think part of John Hetherington & Sons Vulcan Works.

For London one with Joah Bates and the fire - this is nice: Mosse, John. "The Albion Mills 1784-1791." Transactions of the Newcomen Society 40.1 (1967): 47-60. (Msrasnw (talk) 14:47, 9 October 2014 (UTC))


 * You're right. There is an Albion Mill near Deansgate in Williams and Farnie's Cotton Mills in Greater Manchester, as you have described and I'm still trying to figure out what the Albion Mill on Pollard Street was called. J3Mrs (talk) 14:52, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I looked at Graces Guides- and it described the location thus:
 * ''The 1849 O.S. map[6] shows Ancoats Mill, directly across Pollard Street from the Soho Iron Works of Peel, Williams and Peel. The buildings took up about one third of a square plot of land surrounded on three sides by a branch of the Rochdale Canal.

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 * but it is a branch of the Ashton Canal. Following that entry I found the 1851 map on manchesterhistory.net which shows a complex of J&JL Grays Cotton Mill just over from Harrison Street which Google Maps labels. The chimney throws a nice shadow. The water is still there but cut off from the canal.


 * The image shown is taken from Old Mill Street--53.48179°N, -2.22178°W a few feet from the geotag 53.482115,-2.221473 given. To the left of the chimney (and canal) was the chemical company- and to the right Grays.


 * From Grace Sale Notices 1882 shows that Grays didn't sell up till 1882 which makes it hardly likely that Hetheringtons bought it around 1856. So I question whether this can be the same site. Google maps tells us that there is today a property company trading from the building using the name Albion Works:Right to Manage.


 * I think we have a little more work to do on this one. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 00:20, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Digging further
As we seem to have one building with two names- I googled both together and came up with this residents forum. http://albionworks.myfastforum.org/ftopic2689-0-asc-0.php It had a link to online planning applications in Manchester- incredibly useful. Planning apps usually have a heritage statement and officer assessment. pa.manchester.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=externalDocuments&keyVal=MJNNVMBC01D00 View associated documents gives http://www.publicaccess.manchester.gov.uk/associateddocs/MCCList1.aspx?101938/LO/2013/N2 and Supplementary Information comes up with the heritage statement. So we can say:-

"The 20th century development on the Ancoats Mills site was called Albion Mills named after the 1892 Grade II listed Stott and Son designed Albion Works, which forms Block A of the present residential development. The 1892 building has had varied usage- it was a mill until until the mid 20 th century when it became a warehouse and in the later 20th century a factory. In 2005 it was turned into mixed commercial use with 59 residential units. In 2013 further commercial space was converted to create 15 extra residential units."

Are we trying to write an article on Ancoats Mills, the Albion Works, or the Albion Mill regeneration?-- Clem Rutter (talk) 10:38, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

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