Talk:Albrecht von Goertz

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Goertz was not actually a count; he DID NOT inherit the title from his brother. Instead, he referred to himself as "The Count," but that doesn't make him one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Proscriptus (talk contribs) 18:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Legally, all noble ranks were abolished in Germany in 1919 (except for strictly personal use under certain circumstances), so Goertz was not legally a Count (although he was allowed by German law to use the title as a private person). On the other hand, you seem to think that his brother´s death was a prerequisite for him to call himself a count, which is wrong, for according to German customs apparently all children of a Graf were themselves Grafen/Gräfinnen, not just the first-born. All this is AFAIK, I´m not an expert. --328cia (talk) 21:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, there is but one single finding for "Zeppo Goertz" on Google: : "I once encountered Count Albrecht “Zeppo” Goertz, the designer of the BMW 507..." Since this is written by David E. Davis jr., it has some credibility to it, but note that he writes "Zeppo", not Zeppo, so this could be a nickname rather than a second name. You inserted it, so it is up to you to prove it, but of course, this will probably be beneath you, as you´re inclined to slander other people´s sources without sourcing any of your own allegations. --328cia (talk) 21:43, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Still waiting for your reply on this one. Shouldn`t be a problem if you´re the thorough historian you claim to be. --328cia (talk) 07:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)