Talk:Alcohol abuse

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Created Stub
I changed this article from a redirect to a stub. The psychiatric diagnosis of alcohol abuse is distinct from the vague term "alcoholism," and is the primary usage of the phrase in medicine and science. Furthermore, the alcoholism article does not adequately discuss the topic. I have linked to alcoholism in the intro which should allow people to find it if that is what they're really looking for. --Elplatt 18:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

General Alcohol Info Goes Elsewhere
Keep in mind, that this page is only for DSM-IV alcohol abuse, and related info (medical, legal, history, etc.) not general alcohol/alcoholism info. I removed the following because it does not pertain directly to DSM-IV alcohol abuse.


 * The use of alcohol affects the brain's control center; because of this, a person who drinks too much alcohol may experience difficulty with walking and other everyday tasks. A person may also behave in a way that they would never behave when not under the influence of alcohol.


 * Many health problems arise when you take alcohol. For example,heavy use of alcohol can cause liver damage and may result in cirrhosis. Alcohol abuse can also cause cardiomyopathy and arrhythmia. Pregnant women who drink alcohol put their babies in risk.


 * Excessive alcohol use can damage a person's ability to make good judgements. Because of this, it can lead to behavior like sucide and violence.

--Elplatt 05:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Too much space devoted to "Drinking Permits"
Huh? 2/3rds of the article devoted to "Drinking Permits"? Doesn't make sense to me. This article is supposed to be about alcohol abuse, not about drinking permits. If anything, there should be a reference to drinking permits as a separate topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.18.32 (talk) 23:39, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Merge to alcoholism
This page needs so much cleanup that I think it is better to cut our losses and merge this into Alcoholism. This page is full of POV, unreferenced statements, it is very far from comprehensive, and nowhere near resembles what an encylopedic article should look like on this topic. Fences and windows (talk) 19:23, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Support. Lol, get rid of this disgrace. It gives no real info, and even the title is POV.--Metalhead94 (talk) 22:37, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Decline, 3-1 with one abstaining. Those of us on the Alcoholism page gave considerable discussion to the idea, but feel that the topics of alcoholism and alcohol abuse are not compatible. Alcoholism is anything that causes a person to drink beyond the point that it causes harm. Alcohol abuse is the actual process of drinking too much. Therefore alcoholism causes alcohol abuse. This is like attempting to merge a page on fevers to a page on influenza. Some note of this might be made on this page. I've noted on the alcoholism page that the vote has gone against this.
 * Those truly interested in improving the page might want to shore it up with statistics of binge drinking among college age people. This is a form of alcoholism that doesn't actually have a basis in physical medicine, being largely caused by inexperience and perception of social advantage. Robert Rapplean (talk) 14:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Is this debate still open? Somebody put the merge tag on yesterday. If this is still being debated then I disagree with a merge. You can abuse alcohol without being an alcoholic. Amn12 (talk) 21:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

USA College binge drinking and Alcohol abuse

 * Moved from User talk:Incnis Mrsi

I see that you have moved 'USA College binge drinking' back to 'Alcohol abuse'.

I agree with you that 'Alcohol abuse' is a serious, international subject. The content of the article, however, does not describe the disease or its effects in the world. The content describes the problems of college students in the United States.

Could I suggest that you undo the move and start a new article 'Alcohol abuse' with content about the disease and its problems in the world? A stub would be valuable as a begining. Thanks! jmcw (talk) 10:06, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you sure that splitting this article is a good deal? I have no objections, split it in that way which you consider appropriate, move some text to alcoholism, or even redirect “alcohol abuse” there etc, but there is another piece of job to do: interwiki. Propose a way to set up correctly these interwikis in another languages, which BTW, were botched by your renaming . All these 3 wikis have a distinct article on alcoholism. There is another projects in the Foundation but English Wikipedia, and even another people in the world but English speaking. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 11:07, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * My apologies for breaking the interwiki links. I would suggest that I create a new article 'USA College binge drinking', remove that information from this article and put in a 'see also'. Would this be acceptable to you? jmcw (talk) 11:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Incnis_Mrsi has some concerns only about a structure, such as broken interwikis and semantically incorrect redirects. If you are sure that “alcohol abuse” will not be merged to “alcoholism”, then split the article. If will merge, then renaming to “USA College binge drinking” is not a bad idea (we have some economy on split-merge operations), but, of course, you have to remove interwikis, repair the redirect page and check categories in the article. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 15:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Horrible article
Can someone please fix this article up a little? I don't know too much about alcoholism or alcohol abuse (which I realize are different). Also, the prevention section should be deleted since 1: it's blank and 2: saying that you can prevent alcohol abuse is like saying you can prevent drinking soda. Just don't do it (in excess- which is POV) and then it isn't abuse. If you can't stop yourself from doing it then you are probably an alcoholic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amn12 (talk • contribs) 04:08, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia! You are the someone to fix this article. Remember WP:BOLD, WP:NOR, WP:NPOV and don't forget to sign your posts with ~ . jmcw (talk) 08:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Agree
"Horrible" is too strong a word. But for an article as important as this "completely inadequate" might be appropriate. I'm getting started now, tweaking definitions, and about to make signs & symptoms more clinically relevant. My science and citations should be pretty good, but I always welcome a good editor... PCAndrew (talk) 12:06, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes the article needs a lot of work and expanding. Previously it was full of amateurish original research which had to be trimmed out until the article was not much more than a stub. It is still in the slow process of developing. Your contributions would be most welcome.-- Literature geek |  T@1k?  02:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Right now, the article reads like a propaganda piece from middle school. Against the dangers of alcohol. While these observations may be correct, it is not encyclopedic in the least and certainly is off-putting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.231.108.8 (talk) 23:17, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Gives me the shakes

 * "Frequent binge drinking or getting severely drunk more than twice is classed as alcohol misuse.[3]"

With the ref an article about abuse in adolescents. The next sentence and ref is also about adolescents. Could someone rewrite so that anyone being splashed three times in their whole lives is not grounds for being damned forever? Shenme (talk) 08:17, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't see the need for any re-write. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.123.215.180 (talk) 17:33, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * You can easily be damned for a single drunken crime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.123.215.180 (talk) 17:35, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Shenme! I removed that sentence, because the source said: " Misuse can be defined in several ways" - and not that this is the definite definition of misuse. 213.123.215.180, your first sentence did not state any argument for your opinion. And getting drunk, and driving drunk are not the same thing, just as having a gun and killing someone with it are not the same thing.  Lova Falk     talk   09:36, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

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abuse?
Hello,

In my experience (born 1950) I often must conclude that the one which "excessively drinks" is solving not his own problem but the problems of his "environment". Does the old English (George Orwell: Old speak) proverb not say: If you mind the pennies, the pounds will manage their own? Are they able to manage their owns?

Regards.

145.129.136.48 (talk) 13:35, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Question about Lead
Hello fellow Wikkipedians, In the introduction, the third paragraph states, "Alcohol use disorder (AUD) reportedly most often affects young men (aged 18–24 years) of lower socioeconomic status". Where did this information come from? There is no cite supporting this claim. I think changing this to something more substantial, that pertains to AUD. Using some credible source like research from WHO or CDC, would be more fitting. Something stating how studies have showed that AUD causes (X) amount of injuries and death yearly or how many Americans are affected by AUD yearly would be more suiting here. Any thoughts?? I don't mind doing some editing in this for that, but would like some adivice before diving in. This would be my first edit so any help would be greatly appreciated. Mercadora (talk) 23:10, 13 April 2021 (UTC)Mercadora

Can the writer or anyone who can help to elaborate “In the United States alcohol-related violence is related to more severe injuries and chronic cases.”
I'm now translating this article into traditional Chinese. The above mentioned statement should be used to compare with some situation, can I know what the situation or phenomenon is? Thanks.ThomasYehYeh (talk) 07:35, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Issue with complete lack of and/or insufficient cited sources in many sections of article and possible factual issues.
In the section "Definitions" we have zero citation of sources backing up the definitions used in the article. See need to source these definitions to a reliable medical source and explain in the article exactly who defined these terms and what that was based on. Where there is a lack of consensus among researchers we need to explain that too and point out where government and medical groups define "moderate drinking" because they feel the need to do so but where a consensus among researchers on the subject is yet to exist as to the appropriate definitions. For example: Notcharliechaplin (talk) 23:15, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Risky drinking (also called hazardous drinking) does not state who came up with the definitions used in the section and what criteria they used to come to that definition. I believe there are competing definitions as to what constitutes risky drinking/hazardous drinking among governments/health orgs internationally so that should be mentioned.
 * Any drinking in pregnant women or persons under 21 years old is defined as risky drinking but in reality some governments and health orgs define any drinking at all by pregnant women of any age as risky/hazardous drinking so we need to specify who it is that limits it pregnant women under 21 and mention those who don't limit it based on age as well.
 * As the article on "stands drinks" state, not every government/health org defines a standard drink they same in terms of amount of the maximum alcohol per drink. This leads to a situation where a person from one country consuming say 14 "standard drinks" per week might(where the "Standard drink" ABV standard is higher) be consuming enough alcohol in that time period to be considered a risky/hazardous drinker if they were in another country with lower ABV standards.
 * Thus it seems to me that we should list some of the more notable definitions used by various governments and/or health orgs to define as "moderate drinking" and "risky/hazardous drinking" but also point out how they are not all on the same page currently and how how a consensus among medical researchers on these two concepts yet exists other then those not not advocates for complete alcohol abstention agree that "moderate drinking" is possible as is risky/hazardous drinking that is nonetheless not at the level of chronic alcohol abuse that results in significant health problems.

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Hello,

My name is Parth B Patel and I am a fourth year medical student that will be working on this article as part of the WikiProjects course. My focus will be on improving this article by:

1) Addition of reliable sources from medical literature

2) Modifying the article for more balanced representation of topics

3) Updating and improving the lead section and overall structure of the article- particularly definitions, signs and symptoms, pregnancy, adolescence, causes, and mechanisms sections

4) Trimming mechanisms section, including more content in the causes, and more medically related material in the signs and symptoms, pregnancy, and adolescence section

5) Including important material like genetics, effects of alcohol abuse, neurobiological adaptations, long term health repercussions, and environmental/psychosocial origins

My goal is a medically focused article with neutral coverage, succinct and clear content, and balanced coverage of relevant topics related to alcohol abuse. I am greatly looking forward to working on this article and interacting with those here. PBP7 (talk) 14:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

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