Talk:Alcohol flush reaction

RFC Image
This image does not display the condition in question very well. Thus I propose its removal. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 22:28, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Support removal

 * Remove. I came here from the RfC notice, and I agree that it is difficult to see the flushing in this image. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Remove I have the uncomfortable feeling that this could just be a prank. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 02:27, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Remove. It does seem like a prank. The image itself identifies the person, so I support deletion of the image as well as removal from the article. Roches (talk) 02:10, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Remove. Agree with foregoing remarks. I checked in Wikimedia for "alcohol flush" and found a few, including a couple of ones that might have been OK, but really, without a control of the same person before starting drinking, I cannot recommend any of them stand-alone. JonRichfield (talk) 20:02, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Remove. I do not notice any flushing. There has to be a more "clear" example.Familygardner (talk) 00:22, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Remove Not a good example.  --SubSeven (talk) 00:55, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Support keeping

 * Keep. Disagree with remarks. As the person who took the photo I noticed an after effect which is why I uploaded the photo. The term comes up in the context of someone drinking alcohol so the background setting reflects relevant context.  The image is not a prank, the person pictured was credited because I was following crediting protocol, but to alleviate any concerns that this was put up due to pranking, I removed his name. --DanChoe (talk) 23:24, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * DanChoe, what do you think of my suggestion, below, about a before-and-after image? --Tryptofish (talk) 23:35, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * No objections to that approach. --DanChoe (talk) 20:27, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Second image
Have also removed this image that just appeared today. It is of very poor quality. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 03:45, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I thought I would look back here, and I see that another editor seems to be edit warring to include these images, so I made one edit removing them. I'm tempted to say, facetiously, that it's a mistake to drink and edit. But I will say, in all seriousness, that these two images appear to me to be of low quality, and I think that anyone who thinks the images serve some good needs to win consensus on this talk page. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:04, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I did a little looking around, and I saw, at User talk:Jmh649, that the editor who favors including the images says that the photos are of himself. Please let me make a suggestion. If you would like to, please create a pair of photos, just of your own face, in close-up, in the manner of "before and after". If you take one of the photos in the absence of any alcohol consumption, and then another after consumption, posed and framed as similarly as possible, then it will be much easier for readers to see the difference. If you feel like doing that, and the images come out showing the difference visibly, then I'd happily support using them here, perhaps using Template:Multiple image. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:13, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Excellent suggestion. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 01:49, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Right; as Trypt and I both suggested, we need a control of the same person before starting drinking and after. I wouldn't volunteer, but I remember my roommate in high school smuggled a half-jack of vodka into what many of you might call the "dorm" and settled down to watch himself get drunk. Getting drunk wasn't much problem, but keeping his mind on the objective was harder, and as we didn't have a camera, he never found out. I was the guy who had to clean out after him... It didn't work wonders for any ambitions that I might otherwise have developed for getting drunk myself, and I won't volunteer for cleaning up this time either, but if the photos are any good, I might well vote for their inclusion. JonRichfield (talk) 19:20, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

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