Talk:Alcoholism in family systems

Early disclosure
This article is a combination of information from the NACoA article (that I will soon be redirecting to National Association for Children of Alcoholics) and information in the Al-Anon/Alateen article that doesn't really belong that (that I will soon be removing). The information from the NACoA article was reproduced from their literature without permission, I removed it from that article as it constituted a copyright violation. I have checked the sources in it, where possible, and rewritten it such that I do not believe there is a copyright issue. -- Scarpy (talk) 22:49, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Here are some links on family system therapy
http://www.meaning.ca/archives/archive/art_addictions_C_Patterson-Sterling.htm

http://www.powells.com/biblio?isbn=9780789004697

http://www.thebowencenter.org/theory.html

The work of Virginia Satir is also valuable. --Fred Woofy (talk) 01:54, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

ACOA/COA Merger
I'm suggesting that Adult children of alcoholics and Children of alcoholics are merged here. Please let me know if you have any comments or suggestions. --Elplatt (talk) 12:12, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That makes obvious sense, since neither of those articles has any significant content. Guy (Help!) 13:04, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a group called "Adult Children of Alcoholics". Strangely, it exists on Wikipedia, but when you search wikipedia for "adult children of alcoholics" you get redirected here.-Dustin184 (talk) 15:10, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Suggested name change
The title of this article is not a commonly used term, and doesn't fit WP:NAME very well. I propose we change the name to something like "Alcoholic family" which is in common usage, and is consistent with articles such as Dysfunctional family. Any objections or other suggestions? --Elplatt (talk) 18:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Family systems is a very common term in research. This article is about alcoholism in family systems. -- Scarpy (talk) 20:17, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * "Alcoholic family" is a misleading term that could mislead people in to thinking the article is about families that are composed of alcoholics, when the scope of the article is broader than that. -- Scarpy (talk) 20:18, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * And looking over WP:NAME it fits the article naming conventions discussed. -- Scarpy (talk) 20:22, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It's not a violation of WP:NAME any means, but I still think it could be improved. The first sentence of the article is rather awkward.  Are you open to discussing a name change further? --Elplatt (talk) 20:34, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The original version of the opening paragraph made more sense to me but the change didn't seem big enough to fight about. In general I'm not interested in discussing bike sheds. I have other things I'd like to work on. -- Scarpy (talk) 20:39, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * So the name of the article is too important to change but not important enough to talk about? Come on.  I'm trying to work with you.  If you don't care, then step aside and let me improve the article.  If you have a problem with a suggestion let me know what your problem is so we can find a compromise that works for both of us.  I think that's reasonable, what do you think?  --Elplatt (talk) 21:08, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * That's completely reasonable, and it is exactly what I did. -- Scarpy (talk) 21:19, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Apologies, I thought you were calling this discussion a bike shed. To address your particular concern, I'm ok with letting the name stand although I think it could be better. The style however could use some improvement, and the first sentence is a good place to start.  So I'll keep the name, but improve the intro.  If any of my edits are unacceptable to you, please try to improve or discuss before reverting and I will gladly address your concerns. --Elplatt (talk) 21:24, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll only revert if it misrepresents the material already cited, or if material added is not supported with reliable source. Otherwise I'm happy to discuss it. -- Scarpy (talk) 23:17, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion
I believe that the common traits associated with children of alcoholics, as well the four rules of the alcoholic family should be listed in this entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.179.222.187 (talk • contribs) 23:44, 30 March 2009

Publications for Lay-Readers
I have added a book by David Yelland which was well reviewed. I cannot see any publications for laypeople so I have created a new section for such information. I hope no one minds but I think some laypeople may read the article and find the book useful. If you have any doubts whether this book should be in this article then PLEASE READ THE BOOK REVIEW. Please add any other suitable books known to you. Best wishes. Budhen (talk) 11:57, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Criticism of Family Roles
I believe that criticism of the family roles model should be added. There is limited evidence for the reliability and validity of these constructs or their utility in treating alcoholic family systems as highlighted in this article: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/10826084.2010.501676 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.119.232.108 (talk) 16:25, 20 October 2018 (UTC)