Talk:Aleksandra Goryachkina

More recent picture?
She must be about 13 in the photo. MaxBrowne (talk) 10:39, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Personal life
There are three reasons to avoid including the material about her current college studies and her current social media activities including offering of lessons: Bruce leverett (talk) 01:54, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:VERIFY "In Wikipedia, verifiability means that other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. Wikipedia does not publish original research. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of editors. Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it."
 * WP:NOTADIARY "Ensure that Wikipedia articles are not: ... A diary. Even when an individual is notable, not all events they are involved in are. For example, news reporting about celebrities and sports figures can be very frequent and cover a lot of trivia, but using all these sources would lead to over-detailed articles that look like a diary."
 * WP:NOTADVERTISING "Wikipedia is not ... a vehicle for ... advertising."

User:Youngbabushka: Thank you for the courtesy of explaining your reasoning. It is reasonable, as you have suggested, to compare this biography with other Wiki biographies, a procedure that I have used in editing other articles. I looked at the biographies of the other seven competitors in the Women's World Chess Championship 2019. Two of them have no "Personal life" section at all. Some of them have "Personal life" sections that are laden with footnotes and adhere strictly to WP:VERIFY. This is true even of the article about Mariya Muzychuk in which the statement that she plays table tennis is supported by a citation of an interview on another website. I do not see any departures from this standard in these seven articles. Looking elsewhere, I see that the article about Magnus Carlsen has a "Personal life" section that is eight paragraphs long, yet every sentence is supported by a citation that the reader can easily follow. I would not expect the article about Goryachkina to be as long and detailed as the article about Carlsen, but it would be disappointing if it did not adhere to the same high standard.

Regarding the statement that she offers lessons via social media, I would be greatly understating if I said that advertising is frowned upon in Wikipedia. If I had not removed this, any of several dozen other editors would soon have done so. If Wikipedia were a free bulletin board on which to advertise one's services, it would soon be overwhelmed with such advertisements, and would become useless for anything else.

Regarding the statement that she is active on Skype and Discord, I cannot complain that this is difficult to verify. But what is the point? Anyone who wants to get in touch with Ms. Goryachkina would not come to Wikipedia to learn how to do so. Besides, people move from one social medium to another all the time; who knows which ones she will be using next year or even next month.

If and when she gets a degree from Moscow State University, it will be natural to include that information in the Personal life section. It will, of course, also be easy to verify (a citation would not be necessary, I think). But right now, it's not so interesting. People change from one college to another, or they change their course of study, or they leave college altogether, and it is not helpful to readers to try to keep track of this sort of thing in Wikipedia. But, regarding this particular item, if you think it is particularly important, I would defer to your judgment. But I would encourage you to try to adhere to the standard of verifiability.

Bruce leverett (talk) 04:24, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

To the above list of guidelines about the do's and don'ts of Wikipedia editing, I would add a fourth:
 * WP:CONFLICT "Conflict of interest (COI) editing involves contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships. … "COI editing is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia."

If you are "personally related" to Aleksandra Goryachkina, then you are severely limited in the edits you can make to the article about her. Among other things, they must be "uncontroversial" edits. If several other (experienced) editors object to an edit, it is by definition "controversial".

Bruce leverett (talk) 19:40, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Diacritics in Russian name?
Goryachkina's first name in Russian is given here as Александра. Her fellow Russian grandmaster Alexandra Kosteniuk's first name is given on her Wikipedia page as Алекса́ндра. Should the а́ be an a in Kosteniuk's name, or should the a be an а́ in Goryachkina's name, or are the two Russian spellings interchangeable, or are they different names?

Nadia Caraiani (talk) 04:17, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I tried going to the Russian Wikipedia articles about each of these two. That is, go to Aleksandra Goryachkina, and then look down the left column, and click on "Русский"; and likewise for Kosteniuk.  It appears that, in the first sentence of the article about Goryachkina, there are no diacritics, while in the first sentence of the article about Kosteniuk, there is a diacritic on each word of her name.


 * I do not know if this is a reliable method of finding out how their names "should" be spelled, or if it is completely wack. I have never seen these diacritics in Russian-language text before, but there they were.  Bruce leverett (talk) 06:51, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

More about Personal Life
I was unable to retrieve the interview with Potapov, even using the Wayback Machine. I would be grateful for help with this.

The FIDE profile mentions that her father is a FM, but it doesn't mention that her mother is a CM. If her mother is FIDE rated, I could look her up and confirm this -- what name would I use?

It is good for a 9-year-old to have a rating of 1454, but I don't think that Oxana's current rating is suitable to be mentioned in the article about Aleksandra.

Would it be possible to find English-language articles or interview about Aleksandra's personal life? Most readers of English Wikipedia cannot follow the Russian-language interviews -- hmm, Google translate isn't working for me …

Bruce leverett (talk) 19:22, 24 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I missed something important in the FIDE profile. It says that her mother is a CM.  I think it would be correct to mention her mother's name in this paragraph, if I knew it.


 * It appears that Chess Lounge is part of Discord. Strictly speaking, this should not be discussed under Personal Life -- it is part of her chess career.


 * Bruce leverett (talk) 03:32, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

fifth-youngest woman to earn the Grandmaster title as a teenager
When I read this, I naturally want to know who were the four younger ones. (This used to be "sixth woman ...", when I read that I wanted to know who were the first five.) There should be a citation or a Wikilink here. Bruce leverett (talk) 19:24, 20 December 2020 (UTC)


 * It's in the main part of the article (per MOS:CITELEAD): The Youngest Chess Grandmasters In History‎. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 21:02, 20 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks, missed that. Bruce leverett (talk) 22:31, 20 December 2020 (UTC)