Talk:Alentejo - NUTSII

Not only NUTS II
"Alentejo" is the name chosen for a NUTS II region, but it is also a traditional name for a different region and this traditional name is the only one used in everyday talk by Portuguese people. It is a "legalist" mistake to address only the NUTS II region in this article. Velho 13:58, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree entirely. To most people, "Alentejo" means the former provinces of Alto Alentejo and Baixo Alentejo, which correspond roughly to the current subregions of Alto Alentejo, Alentejo Central, Baixo Alentejo and Alentejo Litoral. The inclusion of Lezíria do Tejo, which is in the former province of Ribatejo, is nothing but a political maneuver. Incidentally, the former division in provinces is arguably the one that people in Portugal most identify with, not the statistical regions or the districts, especially when the latter cut across provincial boundaries (e.g. Leiria, Setúbal). --Jcmo (talk) 10:40, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, that's obvious. Made the change. --Xyzt1234 (talk) 19:04, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Request for link to website
The Alentejo page includes a paragraph copied from my web page www.azenhadoramalho.com/alentejo-portugal.htm

I would like a link to my web page as a reference.

The paragraph is

The population is low and declining - especially to the east of Alentejo. Portuguese migrate from the villages to the towns and from the towns to cities beyond Alentejo. Virtually the only migration into Alentejo is from Northern Europeans looking to escape their overcrowded countries, either permanently or for sunny holiday retreats.

The title of my page is: Alentejo, Portugal, the essence, characteristics and places.

Many thanks.

Ramazen (talk) 15:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

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Subregions of Portugal (Ribatejo, Alentejo and others)
In 1998, there was a referendum on regionalization in Portugal (about the creation of new administrative regions) which was rejected in 1998. Neither were any EU statistical regions approved, nor they were recognized by the people who had the word according to the 1998 referendum. Therefore, the NUTS regions (apart from Azores and Madeira which are autonomous regions and apart from Algarve, which matches the Faro District) should not be considered as Portuguese subregions, since they were only created and redrawn for statistical purposes.

I'd suggest that some sort of compromise could be made concerning to some particular regions, specially concerning to Ribatejo, since the NUTS II classification was made only for statistical purposes (and were redrawn, for those purposes, namely not to let some parts of the former NUTS II region of Lisboa e Vale do Tejo (Ribatejo and the North side of Estremadura) to be affected in relation to the allocation EU funds.

Besides that everyone in Portugal calls the territory roughly corresponding to the {Santarém District) as Ribatejo, not Alentejo (apart from Ponte de Sôr, which is in another district and sometimes is considered to be in Ribatejo though most of the times is considered to be in Alentejo. There are plenty of sites that show that Alentejo doesn't include Ribatejo, like the following ones:, , (published by the Portuguese Government itself), , etc. (note: I only indicated maps published after the redrawing of the NUTS II region in 2011).

The other regions are also commonly called by their traditional names, but in a broader sense there are indeed the North, Center, Alentejo (this one not with the borders defined by NUTS II) and Algarve regions, along with the Metropolitan area of Lisbon, which corresponds to the NUTS II region of Lisbon. I don't disagree, at all, that the NUTS II and NUTS III are included in the location of the places, though I'd prefer that the proper context would be provided and the traditional regions would be added to the description (preferably those established in 1936), with an explanation that those regions are not administrative (since their administrative functions were later transfered to the districts), but they're historical and cultural regions, with their designations being broadly used in Portugal (unlike many of the NUTS regions). Thanks a lot the attention of the users who may wish to participate in this discussion. Greetings!

P.S.: Portuguese editors (and particularly from Ribatejo and Alentejo are very welcome to this discussion, since it's an issue that concerns to Portugal, to Ribatejo and Alentejo.Viet-hoian1 (talk) 02:19, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

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