Talk:Alessandro Del Piero

Picture
Is there any other better and bigger picture of Del Piero with anyone??Probably in Juventus shirt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.235.68.107 (talk) 04:16, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

SOMEONE PLEASE CHANGE THIS PHOTO

Personal Life
I might be getting something wrong here. The thing is that the article states that Amoruso's second pregnancy was announced in February 2008 and that the baby was born in May 2009. Pregnancy lasts as much as 9 months. Since Feb 08 to May 09, there are 15 months in between. Am I the only one who thinks that there is something wierd behind all these? 95.18.152.247 (talk) 08:36, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Golden Boot 2008
Del Piero won the golden boot for 2008 in Italy, for the calendar year. 20 goals. Add this prestigious award in. http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/dec21g.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.67.133.188 (talk) 04:43, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Article
"Del Piero, the Eternal Captain of Juve, is known as Pinturicchio, as Fenomeno Vero, as the Prince... he's adored all over the world as one of the best players ever to play the game. He is the best player in the world!! Despite an amazing amount of success on the club level, Del Piero had some bad luck playing for the Italian national team though he was still brilliant, just unlucky. Coming into the 1998 World Cup with huge expectations, he competed with fan favorite Roberto Baggio for a spot, and had some troubles because of a recent injury. Del Piero then became the scapegoat for Italy's loss in Euro 2000 final, missing a clear-cut chance. Although he was blamed, it wasn't his fault since he only came off the bench very late and wasn't fit. He then played in the 2002 World Cup, and scored a crucial World Cup goal against Mexico, but Italy once again exited early. This was very unfortunate since Del Piero was Italy's best player in the tournament."

This article is approaching hagiography. An NPOV check would be a good idea. Estrellador* 12:54, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

2006 World Cup
Removed the following. Needs to be redone by a non-Del Piero fanboy.

"World Cup 2006 : Despite bring the best player in the squad Del Piero finds himself starting on the bench for the World Cup: Del Piero entered as a sub very late in game in the first match vs Ghana. Del Piero entered as a sub at the 54th minute in the second match vs U.S.A, and was Italy's best player almost scoring twice with beautiful shots. It wasn't enough as Italy drew and many are hopeful Del Piero will play even more in the last match of the group stage vs The Czech Republic"

--Bigdottawa 01:25, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

"Trivia"
trivia section is pretty ridiculous. very subjective. --68.163.183.200 21:57, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

When is St. Del Piero day...
cause that's what this entire article sounds like, its certainly not up to encyclopedia standards, we're not writing a paper about our local hero for 8th grade english class here guys, this page needs a SERIOUS clean up. Batman2005 03:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

the trivia part is very nice
that's why it's called "trivia". nothing subjective in here. there's also no need for any "cleanup" or ridicilous comments like that here. Amoruso


 * Well, yes there is a need for a POV clean up, as well as quite a lot of sourcing to be done...let me just grab from the first few paragraphs here, all things that need cleaned up, sourced, or removed.....


 * but is certainly one of the most creative forwards in the world, rather than being a "goal poacher. --most creative according to whom?


 * He is an expert in dead-ball situations as he is among the world's best in taking freekicks and penalty kicks. Particularly famous for inside-curling, dipping shot that he takes in the area that is up to 10 yards outside the penalty box, which is known as "La Zona Del Piero" meaning "The Del Piero Zone." --again, where are the sources for this?  The "Del Piero Zone," surely if he's so famous for this type of stuff then somebody has written about it.


 * Many people claim that Del Piero has never fully recovered from this injury, and therefore never quite fulfilled the potential he had shown at a very young age. --these many people are quoted where? Surely in a news article that meets all criteria for WP:CITE right?


 * Even if Del Piero was one of Italy's best players in the tournament he was never really given the chance that he deserved. --that's pure POV right there.


 * Experts agree that Del Piero is back to his best in the 2005-2006 season having already scored 19 goals in all competitions as of April, 2006. --where can I find the sources for the claims by these "experts?"


 * Apart from his football skills, Del Piero is also widely regarded highly for his character. He is one of the few players that everybody seems to like. He is humble in a unique way for footballers. It is of no wonder then that Del Piero has won numerous personal awards such as the Associazione Soomaaliya Special Award for Fairness, the Prisco award for contribution to the up-keeping of moral sporting values, and the Coppa d'Argento' Premio Speciale Gentleman Award. Many believe that these extra qualities of the player make him so beloved and adored among other players. --Surely we can find sources for the awards, but the rest of it is purely pov.


 * Del Piero is regarded as being able to articulate himself extremely well and in an inspiring fashion. Some have argued that he has the heart and mind of a poet. --then I'm sure this could also be found in some newspaper or magazine somewhere?


 * Then there are all the quotes about Del Piero, i'm sure they can all be properly sourced too?

This article needs a MAJOR cleanup, simply saying that there is no need for one does not mean there isn't a need. This is an encyclopedia, not a page on hero worship. Batman2005 01:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

====many of the sources are acutally there in the quotes section. many of the other things you "metnioned" are very well known. It'll be more complete with the sources, but it's still correct as it is, and it's objective, it's all correct information. I'll help add all the citations in time. It's all on the web. 22:31, 6 July 2006 (UTC) Amoruso


 * 1) you can't use the quotations section to source statements in the main article as the quotes aren't sourced themselves. 2) Very well known to whom? die hard Del Piero fans? This article is not written specifically for them. To the rest of the world "very well known" takes a backseat to verifiability, we're not writing for the fanboys, we're writing for everybody, thus all statements that make bold claims like "he's widely regarded highly for his character" need to be sourced, if no sources are found, they need to be removed. 3) we'll judge the "correctness" of the article as soon as it has been thoroughly cleaned up, trivial and unimportant information removed, all possibly divisive or questionable material is either removed or properly sourced via WP:CITE.  4) It's objectivity is suspect as well, as is this article is highly hagiographical and reads like a fanpage, NOT an encyclopedia, the clean up tag will prompt other users to come and edit out quite a bit of the "Del Piero-cruft" which will ultimately lead to a much more neutral and objective article that is properly sourced. Batman2005 20:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * no, it's not different from any other footballer's entry. These are all well known facts to the football community in large. Many of the facts stated here have sources (in the quote section there are sources, they related to the quotes and not to the main article as you wrongly tried to say, but not in the canon way of wikipedia - all this should and will be fixed in the future). Other than that, no problem at all. Good day. Amoruso


 * Well, here we go again, yes...it is different from the entries of other players, the majority of entries are not hagiographical...this one is. You said "many of the sources are acutally there in the quotes section," referring i'm guessing to the 4 quotes out of 13 that have sourcing material.  The only other two references on this page refer to his caps/goals for club and country.  Again, since you didn't read WP:CITE, "well known facts to the community at large," does not matter in wikipedia.  EVERYTHING that could be questioned in the article needs to have a valid source, there are currently ZERO sources in the main body of this article, which is quite unlike the entries of other footballers.  The article is highly pov, poorly written and needs cleaned up.  I'm sorry that you (obviously) disagree with this assertion, but any halfway competent editor will also look at this page and come to the same conclusion that I did. Batman2005 01:01, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I can only repeat my previous statements. This article is very similar to most footballer entries, you can have a look around instead of just inventing stuff. What needs citations will be added in time, like I said, in the proper way and not the way it is now which is not the standard way. You added the "citations needed" very excessively and quite weirdly even foolishly, but for some, it is true, and citations will be added. Amoruso


 * I added the citations needed quite appropriately, in places where claims are made that are not substantiated by sources. I'm sorry you don't understand that this is the proper way to do things.  In fact I have looked around, and for quite a while now have been a frequent contributer to a vast number of entries on footballers, so no need for you to assume that I don't know what i'm talking about.  You may continue to call my adding of requests for citation foolish if you wish, however EVERYTHING that I requested a source for is something that could be questioned and thus needs to be sourced. Until you actually show some action and start to add citations where requested I'll consider this conversation finished, in a few weeks if there are still outstanding issues i'll revisit the page and remove the non-sourced information. Batman2005 23:59, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I've added 3 sources so far... by using Google.com. The quotes from other players/managers could prove more difficult to find, as I presume most were made in Italian. - Deathrocker 00:22, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


 * indeed Deathrocker. Alas, I still believe Batman2005 lacks perspective on this issue. I will do as he requested though and attempt to add all the citations "needed" in the next few weeks, perhaps with yours and others help as well. I will do most of the work on it one week from today when I have the time. I will agree however that a St. Del Piero Day isn't a bad idea ;) Cheers, to you too Batman2005.  04:15, 8 July 2006 (UTC) Amoruso


 * I do not lack perspective on the issue, i'm merely stating the the article is hagiographical and needs a clean up, as well as having its claims sourced. Batman2005 03:21, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I have to agree with Batman2005 on this issue of the article's tone being very subjective in places. A trivia section is by no means exempt from having to have valid sources. I see there are sources for the trivia bits now, but I do find this puzzling:


 * "Apart from his football skills, Del Piero is also widely regarded highly for his character. He is one of the few players that everybody seems to like. He is humble in a unique way for footballers. It is of no wonder then that Del Piero has won numerous personal awards such as the Associazione Soomaaliya Special Award for Fairness, the Prisco award for contribution to the up-keeping of moral sporting values, and the Coppa d'Argento' Premio Speciale Gentleman Award." This is not encyclopedic text, so it is presumably a quote, but from whom? The source is supposedly a blog in Finland, but there's no mention of such a text, and a blog with the name of "asshole's diary" (my translation) in English hardly seems proper source material.


 * As the article currently looks, cleanup is certainly necessary. Also, saying that other footballer articles are like this is not relevant in any way - if there are others articles in this condition, they must be cleaned up, too. CarlosCoppola 07:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Since there seemed no defence for the Finnish blog source I removed the aforementioned trivia bit, plus another one which talked about sponsors like Fiat The source actually contradicted the trivia "facts", saying the car maker opted for Totti insted of Del Piero. CarlosCoppola 13:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * there are official reports of these awards for example juventus.com . I'll add it. Amoruso


 * as for the ads, I thought it's nice to know which ads he featured for, I thought it was excessive to put a source for every single one since there are many. As for what you mention, the article mentioned they opted for Cassano I think as a change... for years Del Piero featured for FIAT of course... then again I think it's all right to omit it since it's obvious players like him feature for many ads Amoruso

Batman is a wanker..and a computer nerd with nothing better to do..so shutup --Catman

Trivia
The trivia part does have some interesting information, but it looks really long... can we try to work some of them into his biography? And just keep the ones which wont fit in the trivia section? - Deathrocker 18:49, 17 July 2006 (TC)

Citations needed
It is retarded to request citations on what Del Piero's mother said or what his father job was. All these are either part of football lore or publicly well known facts. All these citation requests have tarnished this well written entry and need to be removed. For God shake, is a citation really needed to verify that the knee ligament damage of Del Piero has hindered his carrer from summiting? Or aren't the 19 scored goals in a season (most of them coming from the bench) enoough proof that his form is back in the best. All these citations are not needed and the article has received enough Wikification already. Come on...seriously!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.218.7.146 (talk • contribs).

No, wikipedia is about verifiability, if it cannot be verified the information herein cannot be verified then it needs to be removed. "Publicly well known facts" have no place in wikipedia, properly sourced material does. Batman2005 11:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

====you are very much correct about this unsigned|88.218.7.146... what can I say, you're spot on. But I will still add the citations because there are higher levels than us that demand it as you can see and it needs to be respected. Amoruso 13:31, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Perhaps he is right in a football fan sense, but certainly not in an encyclopedic sense. Seeing as how this is not a football fan forum or Del Piero fan page, it needs to be encyclopedic, and in an encyclopedia, football lore or well known facts don't suffice.  Either find the citations or it'll be removed. Batman2005 15:15, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * ok, great, you were right, it's better with citations. I think the page is terrific now (all citations and cleanup were done) and the warnings should be removed now. Thank you ! Amoruso 03:02, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Article structure
I'd suggest some major article revamp:


 * One of Del Piero's greatest strengths as a footballer is his versatility, which allows him to play in a variety of attacking positions. While he started his club career playing as a full-fledged striker, he settled into a more deeper role as a support-striker. [...] --Shouldn't this paragraph be put outside his bio?


 * After Euro 2004, Del Piero faced another tough moment after Juventus replaced their Coach Marcello Lippi with Fabio Capello. Capello was not convinced of Del Piero's abilities and favoured the new signing from Ajax, Zlatan Ibrahimović. [...] --What is this paragraph doing inside the international football section?


 * Why is the "2006 Season" section outside the bio?

Article still in need for NPOV check. Gb1291 17:46, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

International retirement
Since when did Del Piero retire from the national team?--216.26.217.244 (talk) 02:38, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

He never did.--AJ44 (talk) 03:42, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Personal Awards
Most Popular Italian Player Award

2008 Most Idiotic Player Award

Most Charismatic Striker in Italy 2001

Interesting awards, who makes these? any sources?

Club and international career
Club and international careers need to be copyedited and separated in the article. Right now it's one big mess. sixty nine  • speak, I say •  04:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

komestai del piero roni. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.202.74.234 (talk) 12:34, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation of his name
Can somebody add the pronunciation of his name to the article? In particular, is it "PYEH-roh" or "PEE-er-oh"? - furrykef (Talk at me) 03:11, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Better late than never ;-) Gengis Gat (talk) 13:31, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

IT ISN'T TRUE his wife Sonia is Nicola Amoruso's sister AT ALL, they both only have the same SURNAME.
 * They also have quite distant birthplaces, so I removed the contested assertion Gengis Gat (talk) 14:02, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Del Piero champions league top scorer 96-97
the source??? Pantic was not the top scorer???.--79.53.87.4 (talk) 17:29, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

How many times Alessandro played in Juve?
according to infobox - 459

But in article is tha photo with a description "a commemorative shirt, celebrating Del Piero's 500th Juventus appearance"

so 459 or more than 500? Pl2241 (talk) 21:09, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The info box, as is stated on it, only counts league appearances. That excludes other matches such as cup and European games that he has played.  -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 00:48, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Personal Awards
I add only official awards. Other awards to be removed.--Ryan-the-crow (talk) 00:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Statistics
Please don't change again del piero's stats.

In 1994-1995 he scored 11 goals in the entire season, not 10 goals, becouse UEFA consideres valid the goal against CSKA Sofia scored in the match of 13 semptember 1994, finisched 3-2 for CSKA, but canceled by UEFA for a referee's mistake and so won by Juventus for 3-0.

So Del Piero scored 321 goals, there are all the sources:

- 27 on Italy national team: http://www.figc.it/nazionali/Marcatori?squadra=1&mode

- 3 on Italy national team u-21: http://www.figc.it/nazionali/Marcatori

- 3 on Supercoppa Italiana: 1 on '98/'99, 2 on '02/'03

- 25 on Coppa Italia: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandro_Del_Piero

- 54 on Europe (Intercontinental cup, UEFA Champions League, UEFA Cup/Europe League, UEFA Super Cup, Intertoto Cup): http://it.uefa.com/teamsandplayers/players/player=13768/profile/index.html

- 209 on italian league (Serie A and Serie B, with Juventus and Padova): http://www.legaseriea.it/it/serie-a-tim/calciatore?p_p_id=BDC_dettaglio_calciatore_WAR_LegaCalcioBDC&p_p_lifecycle=0&p_p_state=normal&p_p_mode=view&p_p_col_id=column-1&p_p_col_pos=2&p_p_col_count=3&_BDC_dettaglio_calciatore_WAR_LegaCalcioBDC_idPersona=10235

27+3+3+54+25+209=321

Please stop these changes that don't respect the truth and also the math!--151.63.154.55 (talk) 15:12, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Sydney move
Please don't add Del Piero until he actually signs. His signing has not been confirmed, only that he is apparently in negotiations over a contract. Hack (talk) 16:07, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Now you can update the whole thing. (Said with wink.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.38.215.168 (talk) 11:29, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Still not officially confirmed, and other teams - Liverpool especially - are said to have made last minute offers. GiantSnowman 11:41, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Happily, we can rethink this.


 * Press release from Tribal Sports Management:


 * PRESS RELEASE: On behalf of Tribal Sports Management, we are extremely proud to announce that Italian legend Alessandro Del Piero has officially signed with Sydney FC to play in the Hyundai A-League for Season 2012/2013. We would like to acknowledge the collective efforts of Scott Barlow and Tony Pignata from Sydney FC and Stefano Del Piero and Dottore Dario Tosetti from ADP's management team. Tribal Sports Management is delighted to have brokered this amazing deal for all parties. A defining day in Australian Football and Australian Sport for that matter. 


 * Posted on their Facebook page, complete with a photograph of ADP putting pen to paper. Link: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=469072616465928&set=a.209685232404669.61576.209121402461052&type=1&theater


 * This is more reputable, and a tangible source, so to speak. http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/confirmed---del-piero-deal-done/48925 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.38.215.168 (talk) 12:02, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Useless information
What does this even mean:

More defeated Italian teams: Lazio: 14 goals Roma, Parma, Siena: 13 goals Fiorentina, Napoli: 11 goals Brescia, Atalanta: 10 goals Milan, Inter: 9 goals

More defeated European teams: Real Madrid: 5 goals AS Monaco, Rapid Wien: 4 goals Borussia Dortmund: 3 goals

He defeated those teams? He scored against those teams? So what? Feudonym (talk) 01:55, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Good question. I suspect this was not written by a native speaker.  I've clarified it to what I think it means, but as it's all unsourced who can tell?  I've tagged it.  It should be removed shortly if no sources can be found.  -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 12:46, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

These are the list of the teams against which Del Piero scored more goals and their numbers. Definitely a poor translation. The source should be found on the italian page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.47.64.128 (talk) 08:50, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Should the article be reverted to an older version?
Ever since Del Piero signed for Sydney FC, the article has been heavily modified. Besides the updated stuff, the older article looked alot better. See here and here.

1 Signature 2 "alot better", I don't think so, now there are more information than before --Marcosax3 (talk) 08:34, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * There is also a wrong information in the incipit, Chinaglia scored more goal than Del Piero, so it isn't correct to report that Del Piero is the third Italian all-time top scorers. Restu 20 23:57, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Where are references about Chinaglia? Find them first. There are some references, nothing about Chinaglia... http://www.calcioblog.it/post/14803/inzaghi-doppietta-record-e-dedica-a-borgonovo http://www.cittaceleste.it/magazine-pdf/n59_lazio_novara_051211/HTML/files/assets/seo/page27.html http://tribunasportiva.blogspot.it/2012/10/totti-217-gol-in-superati-meazza-ed.html http://juvemania.it/del-piero-con-il-milan-frantumati-altri-due-record/ http://www.tuttosport.com/calcio/2012/09/14-212432/Del+Piero%3A+%C2%ABVado+in+Australia+ma+%C3%A8+solo+un+arrivederci%C2%BB http://www.calcionews360.net/2012/07/ciao-alex-del-piero-buona-nuova-avventura.html http://lifestyle.tuttouomini.it/fitness/i-dieci-calciatori-italiani-piu-famosi-al-mondo-11124.html http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/nazionali/?action=read&idnet=dHV0dG9uYXppb25hbGkuY29tLTIzOTA http://tribunasportiva.blogspot.it/2012/03/del-piero-raggiunge-baggio-318-gol-in.html http://archiviostorico.gazzetta.it/2012/gennaio/26/Festa_Del_Piero_Questa_maglia_ga_10_120126051.shtml http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/SerieA/Milan/16-09-2009/7-vite-inzaghi-501316594152.shtml http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/mercato/mercato/articoli/70877/inzaghi-riflessioni-sul-futuro.shtml http://www.tuttosport.com/calcio/serie_a/juventus/2010/03/15-60075/Del+Piero+a+quota+301+gol+in+carriera%3A+nel+mirino+c%27%C3%A8+Inzaghi Chinaglia also scored some goals in the indoors season on NASL and some with the shootout. To say that Chinaglia scored more goals than Del Piero, first you have to see how many goals he scored in the shootout and indoor, then see if they are valid, then record the total count and the veracity of all other goals. --Marcosax3 (talk) 10:01, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * In the statistics every goals count as one, if you want to make a good statistics. If you want to take the first link you find only to demonstrate that Del Piero is the best player on the world, sorry but this is a big error because to make a goog statics you have to consider all the Italian football player, not only some of them. Ah, it isn't so difficult to find the goals that Chianglia scored in his career. Restu 20 10:26, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * So, I've reported a source that demonstrate Chinaglia scores more goal than Del Piero, so Del Piero is not the third Italian top scorers of all time. It's wrong to put that references because they don't consider Chinaglia and so we have to remove the information about Italian top scorers due to lack of reliable sources. Restu 20 10:34, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Del Piero isn't the bset player of the history, and it isn't my interest. About the Del Piero's goals thare aren't doubts, they are all documented. You talk about Chianglia, but sbout him there aren't references, and Wikipedia isn't a reference. So I repeat: find references about Chianglia, see how many goals he scored in the shootout and indoor, then see if they are valid, then record the total count and the veracity of all other goals. Do you want to compare this only reference (what site it is?!) with Gazzetta, Tuttosport and Sportmediaset (best italian media about sports?! Find true references--Marcosax3 (talk) 10:41, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, because it's a true references. I have a lot of doubts about Gazzetta, Tuttosport and SportMediaset because at 99% they take the news from this blog that is not a reliable sources. And I have another question: why do you have to exclude that type of goal made by Chinaglia? If in the USA have indoor picth, that goal are not valid? Also Pelé's goal in the NASL are not valid? I have demonstrate that the italian references are not reliable, so if you put that statistics you give a wrong information to the reader. Restu 20 10:59, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I've found this references. There are only national championships, but it's a good point to start. Restu 20 11:09, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

You can't say that Gazzetta, Tuttosport and Sportmediaset took their informations from a blog, where is the proof? Articles are older than the blog. You references it's a unknown site, so it isn't a true reference. You can have a lot of doubts about Gazzetta, Tuttosport and Sportmediaset, but for Wikipedia they are reliable and this is the important. You have not demonstrated that the sources of the Italian media are false. It isn't important that NASL considers indoor goals and shootout vaid, the important is that FIFA considers them valid.--Marcosax3 (talk) 11:19, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

The only important source is FIFA. We should consider valid only the goals scored in normal outdoor games (no indoor, no shootout). The reason? If we consider indoor games, then we should add also other players playing indoor (joking: or worse futsal). Shootout goals are not considered for anyone: strictly speaking if we consider NASL shootouts, then we should consider also the goals scored on penalties shootout (example wourld cup 2006 final). The ranking of more goals scored by italian players is a good thing, we have to keep it. The trouble is not the ranking itself... the real trouble is that NASL counts "goals" that are not counted by the other leagues. So, instead of removing the ranking and losing information.. we need to investigate on the players of NASL, the only ones with trouble in counting the goals. Solution: remove indoor and shootout goals from Chinaglia and publish the ranking in this way.

Layout article
In the version of Portillo the section of personal life is at the end of the article and biography is in the beginnig! The Juventus's section is inside biography, like early carreer! The charity work is with publicity! The playing style is at the end, it's absurd.--Marcosax3 (talk) 09:52, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thats how articles are laid out. Look at Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo. Biography and club career at the top, and personal life and playing style at the bottom. Portillo (talk) 04:09, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


 * There's nothing solid either way in the WP:FOOTBALL article template at WikiProject Football/Players... Hack (talk) 04:15, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Portillo stop it. In your version the section of personal life is at the end of the article and biography is in the beginnig! The Juventus's section is inside biography, like early carreer! The charity work is with publicity! The playing style is at the end. This is all absurd and senseless. I don't care about Messi and Ronaldo.--Marcosax3 (talk) 09:08, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Could we discuss this without the edit warring please? Marcosax3 references The Football Project player template which is a good start. But I do not see how it can be used to settle on either of the proposed layouts. Neither conform to it completely. On the other hand, Portillo is entirely correct is saying that the "personal life" should be at the bottom, and nothing in the template contradicts that. This is the usual BLP layout and football players shouldn't be any different. As the template says; "nothing is set in stone". So can we start by suggesting the best suited compromise? -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 09:26, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Im not going to stop anything. Stop trying to own this article. Portillo (talk) 09:29, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok Portillo, what is the difference between personal life and biography? Tell me please.--Marcosax3 (talk) 09:44, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The entire article is a biography, "personal life" is merely one part of it, and a minor one. His playing career, however, is what makes him notable and should be the central part of the article. -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 12:36, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Well how about entering into a discussion establishing consensus? Your response is not very constructive. -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 12:36, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Now i think it's goog, but i think also that style of play should be at the beginning.--Marcosax3 (talk) 13:04, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

The article looks alot better now. Thanks for your help Escape Orbit. Portillo (talk) 23:55, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Please protect this page
The voice must be protected, there's too much vandalism.--Marcosax3 (talk) 20:11, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

U-21 European Championships
Hi, I'm sorry but these trophies have to be removed. I try to explane, the U-21 European Championship of 1994 and 1996 had a format the was similar to the 1960 European Championship: there was a qualifying stage, but this phase was part of the European Championship. Because of this strange format just the players that were part of the squad that partecipated to the final stage can be considerated as Champions of Europe. For example I think you know that the 1960 European Championship was won by the USSR, there is a player called Anatoli Ilyin that played for the USSR in the 1960 European Championship but just in the qualifying stage, for this reason he cannot be cosiderated as Champion of Europe, in fact in his voice there is no trace of the victory of the 1960 European Championship. This thinking can be applied to other players that played in the European Championship of the 1960s, for example Francisco Gento or Armando Picchi.

I understand that Alex feels these victories as own (in effect he contributed to the final victory of Italy because he scored some goals on the qualifying stage) but in any official competition a player is considerated winner of the competion just if he partecipated to the final stage, so I don't understand why in this case it is necessary to do an exception. --151.76.71.207 (talk) 19:21, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

P.S.: As you can see my english is not very good, so I hope you have understand what I have siad.

Tables
Stop delete tables, they aren't sueperfluous, look at Pelè's article... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pel%C3%A8 Mattythewhite if you want delete them open a discussion find consent and then we eliminate them.--Marcosax3 (talk) 19:53, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Calciopoli titles
Should not be displayed as titles he won. These were revoked and are not counted as a Juventus victory. Given official records state that Juventus did not win these two titles, any reference to Del Piero winning them is purely POV. It's not the fault of anyone on Wikipedia's that this 'star' chose to cheat and be part of a team that has been taken to criminal sporting courts for(fortunately for Juve) just the titles of 2005 and 2006 were revoked and not the leagues before that or the Champions League in '96 for the alleged doping of players like Vialli and Del Piero. Citation is not difficult to find for this, but even today Michel Platini reminds us that Juve have 29 titles NOT 31 http://football-italia.net/34525/platini-juve-have-29-titles — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davylamb (talk • contribs) 22:52, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

In the article the trophies signed are 6... it's simply an essential note that he won in the field other two titles, but it's specified that they are however six, so there isn't any problem.--Marcosax3 (talk) 16:49, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Even his Italian page doesn't display them - http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandro_Del_Piero he didn't win them, you can't say he won two more because he didn't win. Juventus did NOT win those titles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davylamb (talk • contribs) 09:47, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't a source, read the rules first. Stop these change or you will be blocked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcosax3 (talk • contribs) 16:09, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

You can't have me blocked for writing the truth. Adding that he previously won titles that he didn't is a lie and POV. The records are clear for everyone to see, if you want to lie to the world about Del Piero's career history then you are no better than that entire Juventus side that was caught cheating in Calciopoli. If you look at other athletes that cheated, Lance Armstrong being the most recent athlete it does not mention that he won his tours. If you want I can source and write some interesting points about Del Piero and doping to add to this page as well if you like and don't worry, whilst he wasn't caught there are plenty of sources to cite for it. I'll make sure it is written without POV that you clearly want to do to this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davylamb (talk • contribs) 19:58, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

You can't change what you want. You must discuss. We are only two, I say A, you say B, so you can't change the article. You can't use italian wiki like a source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources, learne the rules and stop these changes.--Marcosax3 (talk) 13:40, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok here, here is the official website of Serie A http://www.legaseriea.it/it/serie-a-tim/albo-d-oro 2005 - revoked, 2006 Inter won it. NOT Juventus and NOT Del Piero. You are writing lies...I am writing FACT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davylamb (talk • contribs) 17:28, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

You could have reason if in the article there is "Del Piero won 8 Serie A". But in the article there is 6 Serie A, not 8, but it's specified that he won in the field also 2 titles that WERE CANCELD. So it's specified that FIFA doesn't count them, and also there's the link of Calciopoli. Wikipedia is an enciclopedy, so we must write all the important iformations. Del Piero won officially 6 Serie A, this is an important information, Del Piero won in the field also 2 Serie A, this is a important information. These 2 Serie A were canceled by FICG, this is an important information. So, reading the orginal article, is specified that Del Piero won 6 Serie A, that he won also 2 in the field, that these were canceled in Calciopoli. There are all the important information. --Marcosax3 (talk) 19:25, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

But he didn't win two 'in the field' as you say. He didn't win them. They were never won. Cancelled. Two championships ruined by Juventus and Alex Del Piero's team. They were cancelled so they were never won and exactly you have a mention of calciopoli on the page so you should not mention these titles again. You are writing POV and this is against Wikipedia rules - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view if you keep re-adding it then I will have to report you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davylamb (talk • contribs) 20:59, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

First i didn't write it, second the titles were won in the field, there was the awards, the medals, etc. and Del Piero got the trophy... So it's a fact that he won in the field them, however it's true that this victory was canceled, in fact there is 6, not 8... If you want we can continue to change, ok, no problem, it's funny. You are surely an Inter fan or something similar, wiki it's not for faith...--Marcosax3 (talk) 21:31, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

I suggest you both stop edit warring over this. Please consult with an official record of Italian football and cite it. Personally, I would say that if Juventus had awards removed from them, then the same goes for all the Juventus players. They were part of the what Juventus was punished for, whether actively or knowingly or not. It makes no sense to have them keep the awards and removed the team's. However, I may be wrong. That's why a reliable source should be cited. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 21:42, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Escape_Orbit, I have added citations before but these were removed and have also listed the official Serie A's website which clearly states Juventus did not win these titles and therefore should not be on this page http://www.legaseriea.it/it/serie-a-tim/albo-d-oroDavylamb (talk) 22:00, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, but what about Del Piero specifically, or the Juventus players generally? Maybe the Italian FA decided to not punish the players? -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 22:03, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

In fact Calciopoli punished Juventus and his managers, FICG didn't say that players must give back medals, honours, etc. It's an important information that Del Piero won in the field these title and AFTER they were canceled. So stop change.--Marcosax3 (talk) 06:44, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

And also before change something, find a OFFICIAL source that say "Del Piero and the Juventu's players must give back, medals, honours, etc.". However, these two seasons were played, they were not canceled, in fact individual stats, caps and goals are valid, they are count for each players. So it's important say that these two titles were wan and that they was eliminated. There is 6, 6 ok? Not 8, 6, 6, 6, so stop.--Marcosax3 (talk) 06:53, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Wait hold on Escape_Orbit, if Javier Zanetti has the title for his 2006 Championship then how can it be mentioned on Del Piero's page? You can't say he won titles that were revoked. They were revoked for cheating, so officially/legally they were never won. So you can't say he won them, that event did not happen. They cheated and that is it. No other Juventus player mentions them on their page, why does Del Piero? Again, as I mentioned before this page is written as if by Kim Jon Un, no mention of doping, very little mention of Calcipoli and absurd irrelevant records of only interest to fans of the player are listed. Marcosax3 when you have a minute could you update the page with how many holes in one he has at golf? Davylamb (talk) 20:09, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

6, not 8, 6...--Marcosax3 (talk) 16:54, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

3 goals in the Champions League semi finals
This record was broken this year by Robert Lewandowski scoring 4 against Madrid. The only, as Ivica Olić, who scored 3 goals in UEFA Champions League's semifinal (Juventus-Monaco 4-1, 1997-1998) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davylamb (talk • contribs) 21:34, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

It's true. Cancel it.--Marcosax3 (talk) 21:41, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Top scorer in the super coppa italia
He's joint top scorer with Shevchenko and Eto'oDavylamb (talk) 21:45, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

8th top Goalscorer in Serie A all time records
He's joint 8th with Giuseppe Signori — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davylamb (talk • contribs) 22:23, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

EDIT WAR
Here we speak about edit war, but who start? Wikipedia isn't an own work right? So why Mattywhite can delete tables and he doesn't open a discussion? I know that Wikipedia is community, so why one user can decide? Before make a big change i think that anyone must open a discussion, and don't threaten blocks. --Marcosax3 (talk) 20:17, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

And about the tables, in a lot of article there are tables like these, they're useful informations.--Marcosax3 (talk) 20:20, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

International stats
Why remove the table with the goals in national team? All football player articles have it, and there were all th sources. So why? And why the editing of the article isn't discussed here, and everyone do what he want, menaced bann and block?--Marcosax3 (talk) 08:21, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2014
he has recently joined delhi dynamos fc (isl) http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/football/indian-super-league/top-stories/ISL-Alessandro-Del-Piero-to-play-for-Delhi-Dynamos/articleshow/41074550.cms

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May I kindly ask why the picture has been reverted to its previous iteration in which he is wearing a Sydney FC kit? As I personally stated when making the edit, according to guidelines a retired football player should be depicted either with his latest team’s kit (which still wouldn’t be Sydney, as he last played in India), or the kit of the team he’s best known for, which is, needless to say, Juventus. Marspowa (talk) 06:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC)