Talk:Alex Rodriguez/Archive 2

Refactoring of old discussions
As the previous talk page was archived I've decided to refactor some of the previous discussions to let everybody see clearly what was discussed there: Those are the major things that were repeatedly addressed, feel free to look the archive and re-raise any old issues you feel need addressing. Quadzilla99 15:27, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Some concerns were raised over PoV issues, see here.
 * There was also a lot of discussion regarding the neutrality and even the existence of the criticisms section, see here, here, and here.

Paltry
An editor removed my description of Rodriguez batting 4-41 in his last 12 playoff games as paltry from the article. You are allowed to use correct summary terms as a matter of fact it is necessary for non-baseball fans, 4-41 is paltry, actually it's POV to remove it. What's next? If he goes 0-50 it's POV to say he performed poorly? It's only POV if 4-41 for a .098 BA and 0 RBI in his last 12 postseason games is not objectively paltry which it is. As a matter of fact paltry is pretty tame considering how people could describe it. The statement is now "Rodriguez is a paltry 4-41 (.098 BA) with no rbi in his last 12 postseason games." If anything in there shows bias please point it out. Non sports fans read sports articles too as I learned when I put up Dwyane Wade for GA. The editor that reviewed it complained that for a non-basketball fan it's just a mass of numbers; the numbers need clarification and a summary. Quadzilla99 08:00, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Coincidentally I have no problem with some of his better performances being described as outstanding or highly successful if they are objectively so. Such as his 57 home run season as a a shortstop. Quadzilla99 15:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Criticisms
I'm not an A-PANEK apologist or Yankees fan, in fact you can see who I root for with my name, but isn't the Criticisms section a bit much? I mean, we have editorial quotes in there. Maybe it's just me. Cubzrule 20:34, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't really think it is since now that anytime anybody mentions Arod's name the discussion of him choking in key situations, not getting along with Jeter, and being overpayed, etc come up. Zzz345zzZ 20:41, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with Zzz, unfortunately since he plays in New York his woes have been magnified to an incredible degree. Quadzilla99 11:04, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree with both of you. This whole fiasco has been fueled by the media and it has been blown way out of proportion. If you are going to put something like this on his wiki page, then you need to do the same to Jeter's page, as well as Manny Ramirez's page about "Manny being Manny." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.202.85.11 18:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC).
 * Both of those pages have, and have had, the sections you say they need. Michael Greiner 21:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * This entire entry is bias against A-Rod, even down to the fact that his picture has the tag name of "ARod Mouthing Off." I don't see how that is fair and unbiased which Wikipedia claims to be. To me it sounds like the person who monitors this entry is a Red Sox fan who feels the need to constantly berate the guy. It's just old. I suggest another picture of ARod be put on this entry with an unbiased tag. But, I doubt that will happen, just like the criticisms being unbiased as well. --144.126.9.10 19:53, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The picture has the title because that is what the uploader decided to name it. (Also it is a picture of Rodriguez talking back to an umpire, so the title is just a description) The problem (not really a problem) with the criticisms section is that it is cited, so even though it is against A-Rod it is published opinion. Michael Greiner 21:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Again, you fail to see the point of my comment. Why is it always bad with the guy? You can't have a picture of him just swinging a bat, or fielding a ground ball, you have to make the guy look like an asshole all the time? Wikipedia is supposed to be unbiased, so give him an unbiased picture. --144.126.204.68 19:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't add that picture and don't just happen to have a freely licensed image that can add to the wiki. Michael Greiner 15:23, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, how about if (when) A-Rod breaks Bonds' single season home run record this year we delete this section. Deal?12.129.98.129 00:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

{undent}No, we wouldn't delete it we would greatly revise it. the intense criticism would still have existed and have been historically significant but but the contest would be greatly different. Quadzilla99 01:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I think there needs to be great consideration for the Criticisms page to be looked at again by a BASEBALL fan.. not those who claim to be YANKEE FANS like Mr. Greiner or those who are A-ROD haters. The historical significance was completely blown way out of proportion and I find it sad that those Criticisms cannot be tweaked considering the type of season Alex is having to date currently. A new section should be started called "Answer to Wikipedia drones/idiots." --144.126.204.68 02:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

the fact that he may have scream "mine" while rounding third, causing the blue jays third baseman to drop the ball, at the end of may 2007 is NOT in the criticism section is an asbsolute disgrace. His slapping the ball out of the red sox players hand makes the list, deservedly so, and this should as well. the controversy this has caused in the sports world is enormous and the child like behavior of this stand up guy is astonishing.

Why isn't there anything or any link to the story about him and that woman in Toronto? 129.170.42.141 02:54, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * A vandal deleted the reference and no one caught it. It has since been readded, under the personal life section. Michael Greiner 03:01, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm back now, and it looks like someone deleted that section again. 129.170.233.187 21:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I won't get into the existence of a Criticism section, its been discussed before, and if its consensus to keep it, I'm all for it. But it does seem to be piling it on when the Bronson Arroyo glove slapping incident is mentioned in two separate sections. It appears under criticisms and under the 2004 section when it happened. Under the criticism section its even referred to as "blatant." And while I think it actually was pretty blatant, it seems like POV to use such a strong word. The Schilling quote following it sums up the feeling enough, I think including such an obviously subjective word on top of it actually detracts from the critical nature of the paragraph, and makes it seem more like A-rod haters wrote it than an objective encyclopedia. The evidence is damning enough - I won't change it yet, but anyone have any thoughts? Clemenjo 06:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, and changed. Simon12 11:00, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

2001 & 2002 HR's
It says his 109 HR's in 2001-2002 are most ever for consecutive AL seasons...... I believe The Babe hit 113 between 1920 & 1921.... Not sure though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.136.215.85 (talk • contribs).

The Bambino also hit 114 in 1926-27 (60 and 54).
 * It says right-handed in the article, the Bambino was left-handed. Quadzilla99 11:05, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Clean-up
Regarding Greiner's reverts, 1) it was proper to include the second comma in a series, for example A, B, and C, and his revision is therefore inappropriate; 2) it is proper to have the year series read 1988-90, as I had it, and therefore his revision is not appropriate, and 3) while it is the general rule to write out numbers one through nine, here -- in baseball articles, and in articles that also have the same numbers in a series represented by numberals, as in hit "9 home runs and ten home runs in consecutive years," it is acceptable to have numbers 1-9 written out. It especially aids the reader in articles such as this one, which are replete with numbers, in that numerals are easier to scan. --Epeefleche 01:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

More Trivia
I pretty sure the name A-rod is trademarked, unfortuntly i can not find anything that can fully confirm this. Help would be apriciated--Speedfreak69 02:04, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=36qnco.3.1 Curse of the A-Rod was a registered trademark of a company in Boston, Massachusetts, but beyond that, no trademark exists for A-Rod.Garistotle 19:56, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

The picture of arod hitting against the rockies is actually a picture of derek jeter.

More HR's and RBI's
A-Rod hit two more homers against Tamba Bay and has some other RBI's that need to be posted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.46.123.59 (talk) 03:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC).
 * Home run records are now up-to-date. He's also 1 away from tying the AL and MLB April RBI record, 35 by Juan Gonzales.Simon12 03:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Middle Name
His middle name isn't Enmanuel, it's Emmanuel http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4HPID_en___US218&q=alex+emmanuel+rodriguez 71.56.48.23 17:11, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Younger Siblings
Alex Rodriguez also has a younger brother named Pedro. Who is 20 years younger than him. He lives in Illinois. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.131.115.177 (talk) 03:47, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Arod
The page Arod currently redirects here. At the top of the article there are links to other pages users might be looking for when searching for Arod. Currently unlisted is the entry on Arod at the Horses of Middle-earth page, the only occurence of an Arod not known by another name. While I understand that it may not be desirable to clutter the top of Alex Rodriguez's page with too many links to other uses of the name "Arod", Arod should then be converted from a redirect here to a disambiguation page. Furthermore, I take offense that Rhobite has, in essence, accused me of vandalism by reverting my edit, rather then simply adjusting the page. Also, rather than discuss the issue here, where it is relevant, he felt the need to post condescending templates on my user page "welcoming" me to wikipedia after I have been editting here since 2004. The current way of dealing with the use of the term Arod is clearly insufficient and I hope it can be resolved in an orderly manner rather than simply reverting edits that we do not like. Countmippipopolous 05:33, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, it appeared to be vandalism because you used the wrong disambig template. You wrote "This article is about the baseball player. For for the Lord of the Rings horse, see Horses of Middle-earth". This is nonsensical - it implies that there is a horse named "Alex Rodriguez" in Lord of the Rings. I had no way of knowing that the horse is named "Arod". I'll replace the link using redirect. I apologize for the vandalism notice. Rhobite 11:45, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Both of you need to assume good faith in the future. Count, the template added to your talk page was a standard first level vandal warning. An disambig page should be created but Arod should still redirect to this article. (Using other uses template). Michael Greiner 19:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Add hits to his stats please
As all of you should know, Craig Biggio got his 3000th hit not that long ago. With Biggio in the 3000 hit club, A-Rod is the next closest to 3000. Would an admin please add his career hits to his stats on the top of the page?

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=121347

Those are A-Rod's stats --HPJoker 18:48, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Bonds is closer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.79.103.69 (talk) 23:57, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Correct, and so is Derek Jeter.--Michael Greiner 00:00, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

1998: 40-40 Club
In this section the article claims that Rodriguez is "one of just 3 shortstops in history to hit 40 home runs in a season." I really think the article should list the other two. While its not directly to A-Rod, its one of those frustratingly difficult pieces of dangling trivia that can annoy readers. I should know...I spent a good 20 min trying to find the other shortstops, and only came up with one, Ernie Banks. Rogers Hornsby hit 40, but when he was playing his main position, 2B, not the SS he played at different points in his career. I've got to be forgetting someone really obvious...but who?? And should we add this to the article? Clemenjo 03:39, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm new to wiki but I have a source for the other two members of the 40-40 club--Jose Canseco and Barry Bonds. See this bio for Rodriguez: http://sportsanddrugs.procon.org/viewsource.asp?ID=007962. I totally agree with you that they should be listed. A-Rod was 3rd, then Alfonso Soriano was the fourth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dinarabaggy (talk • contribs) 11:30, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Infobox picture
PLEASE STOP CHANGING IT TO THE CROPPED VERSION FROM A PHOTO ALREADY IN THE ARTICLE! PLEASE KEEP IT AS THE IMAGE YOU WILL FIND NOW (22:46 JULY 16 2007) AND KEEP IT THAT WAY! Soxrock 22:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok, problem solved Soxrock 01:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Why don't we change the picture to one of the others in the article? The fact that he looks like he's about to hock a loogie in the infobox pic might be while people keep changing it. There's a few nice shots in the article, the one with him batting seems especially appropriate. Would this make Soxrock/others happy? Clemenjo 21:25, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Look now, is this better? Googie man 21:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Fantastic work Googie man, you deserve a sticker. Clemenjo 06:24, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Children's book
--70.152.229.254 01:21, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Arod made a children's book and signed it at the FAO Schwarz in July (last month). Should we mention the book in the trivia section? I GOT IT SIGNED!!

500 Homerun club
On August 4, 2007, Alex Rodriquez became the 22nd member of MLB 500 Homerun Club by hitting the first pitch he saw against the Kansas City Roayls pitcher, Kylie Davies. He is also the youngest player to ever reach the 500 homerun mark. Previously, the fastest player was Jimmie Foxx.--Mts1986 03:20, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Does he do any thing in the club? Do people do stuff when they become the club? What does the club do?

It's just a name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.201.156.109 (talk) 00:31, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Personal life - stripper
In the 'Personal life' section there's mention of his visit to a strip club and coverage in the newspapers - is this a case of WP:DUST or is this a historically significant part of his life that should remain in this encyclopaedia? - Ctbolt 05:03, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see any mention of his personal life per say. Maybe it was edited out by someone. My thoughts are that if they do include his personal life and marriage, this should be mentioned if it led to his divorce (I believe he is still married). If it doesnt mention a divorce, then I don't see the point in putting it in. Sadly, professional atheletes messing around on their wives is all too common a practice. Arnabdas 18:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Dominican or Puerto Rican?
I thought he is of Puerto Rican descent? In fact, didn't he even consider playing for Puerto Rico in the World Baseball Classic, eventually electing to play for the United States? Arnabdas 18:49, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

He is of Dominican descent. Both his mother and father moved to the U.S. and he was born in NYC. Since both his parents were from D.R. he had an option to either play for the U.S. or the Dominican team. He obviously chose the American team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.64.100.45 (talk) 03:39, 22 December 2007 (UTC) he's a dominican that moved to miami when he was four. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.146.75.252 (talk) 00:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * He's a Dominican-American who was born in Manhattan, moved to the DR when he was four, and moved back to the US (Miami) when he was eight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.200.177.10 (talk) 19:53, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Alex Rodriguez has broken the home run record by a third baseman this year. The page is also wrong when it says his 18 homers in 2005 are the AL record for a third baseman. He actually had 47 at 3b and one as dh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.111.131.38 (talk) 08:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Homer Runs?
I noticed under his career stats as a yankee, it is said that he lead the league in "homer runs". I presume this is a typo, but I cannot fix it. Hopefully someone who can, will. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.127.177.180 (talk) 17:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Thanks! --Michael Greiner 19:10, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Manner of "opting out"
This article completely leaves out many controversies created by the way Boras and Rodrriguez bailed on their existing contract with the Yankees


 * MLB was extremely upset that Boras made his annoumcement in the 8th inning of the ongoing Red Sox-Rockies World Series game

We were very disappointed that Scott Boras would try to upstage our premier baseball event of the season with his announcement," Bob DuPuy, baseball's chief operating officer, said Monday in an e-mail to The Associated Press.

"There was no reason to make an announcement last night other than to try to put his selfish interests and that of one individual player above the overall good of the game," DuPuy said. "Last night and today belong to the Boston Red Sox, who should be celebrated for their achievement, and to the Colorado Rockies, who made such an unbelievable run to the World Series." 


 * The Red Sox and their fans felt that this announcement was done so as to rain on their victory parade


 * The Yankee organization and fan base were livid that Boras cancelled this contract by leaving a voice mail on a Sunday afternoon, rather than a face to face meeting, and were convinced "he doesn't really want to be a Yankee"

This embarassing display of arrogance by Boras and Rodriguez where they acted as if they were bigger than the sport deserves to be fully documented in Wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.84.60 (talk) 23:22, 29 October 2007 (UTC) \
 * Alex has always behaved as though he was bigger than the game itself. One more example of why, although he is a great talent, he will NEVER be a champion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.57.66.111 (talk) 18:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * As a Yankee fan and a late convert to Alex, I agree with you, but please try not to put opinions on the talk page. It is meant for discussing how to make the article better. Your complaint should have been left to just it not being mentioned. It should be mentioned and sourced properly, both the opt out and his explanation. Arnabdas (talk) 18:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

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—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.23.159 (talk) 20:35, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

A-Rod to join Yankee AAA affiliate?
Hah, should this be added to his article?--E tac 02:21, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

#13 jersey
A-rods jersey is a known attire for Ms-13 gang members in the Nyc metropolitan area. Could this be incorparated into the criticism part. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.202.103.193 (talk) 19:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * How in the world would something completely unrelated to A-Rod be connected to him as criticism? Is he a member of the gang? If not, it has nothing to do with him personally. If you can find reliable sources to back it up, it might be worth mentioning in some manner, but not as criticism for A-Rod.  Leebo  T / C  15:56, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * He took #13 because his previous number was #3. Since that number is not available anymore as it was Babe Ruth's number, he took #13. Aside from 11 and 12, it's the closest available number to 3 as well. Arnabdas (talk) 18:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Additionally, he took #13 because he idolized Dan Marino when he was growing up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.200.177.10 (talk) 19:56, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

No trade clause
Was there a no trade clause in the $275 millon contract he signed with the Yankees?--69.113.139.141 23:26, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Biased entry
I'm a Red Sox fan that hates A-Rod as much as anybody. But the 2nd sentence of this article is too biased for Wikipedia.

"However he has also received the nickname The Cooler because teams tend to turn cold when he joins them and hot when he leaves and because of his negative influence on team chemistry."

There is no evidence that A-Rod has a "negative influence on team chemistry". The cites are some Sports Writers that have that opinion, but I certainly wouldn't describe this opinion as "encyclopedic" in terms of accuracy and supportability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.80.125.22 (talk) 20:28, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Agree. If one or two ex-teammates call or called him like that, it does not mean that is his nickname. I have never heard anybody call him "The Cooler". Rafelito (talk) 00:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Disagree. The writer of the Sporting News article is known to be an A-Rod fan. MLB.com if anything is known to shy away from criticisms of the game of baseball and its prominent players. It tends to avoid controversies of that nature. It likes to praise players' feats but avoids criticisms. Bonds is a prime example. Besides, it doesn't matter so much whether or not he really has a "negative influence on team chemistry" as it does that this perception exists and is the basis of the nickname. It is not our place to judge nicknames. If it exists to the extant that it is mentioned on several prominent websites (how much more prominent can you get than MLB.com?). Would we remove the title "King of Pop" from Michael Jackson because he think its a hyperbole? Would we remove the nickname "Rocket" from Clemens because of recent events? It's not our place to judge the suitability of nicknames as it is to document them. That's what an encyclopedia is for. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moonbada (talk • contribs) 05:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Basically, what it comes down to is this. Personally disliking a nickname or not having heard of it before is not enough to remove it. Having documentation of its existance from multiple very mainstream sources (one of which actively shys away from controversies) is sufficient basis for its inclusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moonbada (talk • contribs) 05:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * This supposed nickname is far from widespread enough to be used in the article opening. Uses of it in print appear to be exclusive to articles about the perception of a negative influence on team chemistry. This is much more appropriate for the Criticism section, if anything. WarpstarRider 12:21, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree it is nowhere near as common as "A-Rod" but the fact remains it is mentioned in two of the biggest mainstream baseball/sports websites. That means two independent sources. Of course the articles mention the perception of negative influence on team chemistry. How else are they to explain the nickname? The articles aren't simply bashing him. One of them even gets the "Cooler" nickname from the closest person to him when he was with the Rangers: "Even shortstop Michael Young, perhaps the Rangers player with whom Rodriguez was closest, admits the team chemistry improved dramatically after Rodriguez was gone." That's far from being biased. Believe it or not Ken Rosenthal, the Sporting News author, is actually a fan of Rodriguez. Please be able to see outside your own personal preferences when something is documented by two of the most mainstream sources there is.

Also, as I mentioned repeatedly, if you *really* think there's a better place for it, you should move it to where you think is more appropriate instead of simply delete it. Makes it less likely it would end up where you think is appropriate if you just delete it. Simply deleting it strongly implies you'd rather not have it in the article altogether. This kind of editing approach would never be an accepted academic practice.

I added 2 more sources. One is the New York Times. We now have MLB.com, Sporting News, New York Times. There are a bunch of blogs (like a page for Mets fans) and opinion pages where "The Cooler" nickname is mentioned. I really don't know how anything can be more established than that. That's at least 3 very well established, mainstream sources.Moonbada (talk • contribs) 05:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I moved it to the criticism section. i don't think the nickname is common enough to list in the lead but it's a perfectly valid criticism to include in the article. if it really is a common nickname it should be listed in the lead without the description (which interrupts the flow of the lead statement) harlock_jds (talk) 18:15, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

General edit war warning
Hi, please try to come to a consensus rather than revert-warring. Continued revert-warring may lead to one or more editors being blocked or the article being protected. Stifle (talk) 10:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Bad sentence
And I quote:
 * WCBS Yankees radio broadcaster noted that Rodriguez had a better frame of mind, and the fans were beginning to accept him more after his two walk-off home runs.

WCBS Yankees radio broadcaster? Which one?! Sterling or Waldman? And on top of that, it's not even a very significant or "encyclopedic" article. - Experimental Hobo Infiltration Droid (talk) 01:12, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Jose Canseco Book
This is just my opinion and I am not a Yankee fan. Jose Canseco is releasing a book in which he is claiming Alex Rodriguez used steroids. I think that any steroid rumors with Alex Rodriguez need to have citations with stronger evidence than Jose Canseco, who I think just wants to sell a book. --Npnunda (talk) 00:17, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Requested move
Álex Rodríguez → Alex Rodríguez — There is no accent above the 'A'. — Ksy92003  ( talk ) 01:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.



Discussion

 * It was an undiscussed move and does not seem supported by policy or reliable sources. Yo should just revert the move (see WP:BRD) and let the other editor take it to WP:RM if he disagrees. Aspie rational (talk) 11:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

His Elbow Pad
I have found out everything about A-Rod except for the type of elbow pad he wears!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been driving myself crazy trying to find out what type/brand the elbow pad is!!!!!!!!! If anyone knows please write a response comment thing so i can stop going crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.140.25 (talk) 03:15, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

This is not a forum. Please ask at the reference desk. Also, please sign your posts by placing 4 tildes(~) at the end. Thanks, ''' Genius101 (talk) 17:15, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Dual national?
Does anyone have a conclusive source for that? I've read statements that he 'claims dual nationality'. But that's not exactly categorical-sounding. SamEV (talk) 01:51, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Rodriguez was born a child of Dominican parents, making him a Dominican citizen. (Source: http://dr1.com/realestate/info/residency_citizenship.html") Shamedog18 (talk) 20:12, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Very well. Thank you. However, these statements: "US-born children who have a Dominican parent have the option of acquiring Dominican citizenship once they are 18 years old. The person would then be both an American and a Dominican." suggest that Alex would still have to request it; it's not his automatically. And I'm not sure that the fact that he'll be on the DR baseball team is proof that he has obtained that citizenship. For instance, it's conceivable that they might allow him to join the DR team simply because they already know that he's of Dominican ancestry, without waiting for him to actually obtain a certificate of Dominican citizenship. SamEV (talk) 05:06, 14 January 2009 (UTC)