Talk:Alexander Kellock Brown

Some proposed changes
Information to be added or removed:

Paragraph explaining education/training of Alexander Kellock Brown


 * 1) he received his first drawing lessons in the Free Church Normal School, Cowcaddens
 * 2) he took night classes at the Glasgow Art School taught by Mr. Robert Greenlees
 * 3) he was an apprentice in the designing department of Messrs. Inglis and Wakefield, calico printers, for seven years
 * 4) studied at the Heatherly School in London

References for this information are:


 * "The New Royal Scottish Academician, Mr. A. K. Brown, R.S.A.", The Scottish Review, February 20, 1908, page 203
 * "A Scottish Artist, Death of Mr. A. K. Brown", The Glasgow Herald May 10, 1922, pg. 4

The second of these has already been cited in the article.

Explanation of issue:

an article about an artist should, reasonably, include mention of his/her art training.

References supporting change:


 * 1) "The New Royal Scottish Academician, Mr. A. K. Brown, R.S.A.", The Scottish Review, February 20, 1908, page 203
 * 2) "A Scottish Artist, Death of Mr. A. K. Brown", The Glasgow Herald May 10, 1922, pg. 4

The second of these has already been cited in the article.

SABrown256 (talk) 14:25, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Reply 11-APR-2019
When proposing edit requests it is important to highlight in the text, through the use of ref tags, which specific sources are doing the referencing for each claim. The point of these inline ref tags is to allow the reviewer and readers to check that the material is sourced; that point will be lost if the ref tags are not clearly placed. Note the examples below:
 * Your edit request could not be reviewed because it is unclear which references are connected to which claim statements in the text of your proposal.

 The Sun's diameter is 864,337.3 miles, while the Moon's diameter is 2,159 miles. The Sun's temperature is 5,778 degrees Kelvin.

References

1. Sjöblad, Tristan. The Sun. Academic Press, 2018, p. 1. 2. Harinath, Paramjit. "Size of the Moon", Science, 51(78):46. 3. Uemura, Shū. The Sun's Heat. Academic Press, 2018, p. 2.

In the first example above there are three references provided, but the claim statements do not contain ref tags indicating which reference applies where. Your edit request similarly does not specify where the references you have provided are to be placed. These links between material and their source references must be more clearly made, as shown in the next example below:

 The Sun's diameter is 864,337.3 miles,[1] while the Moon's diameter is 2,159 miles.[2] The Sun's temperature is 5,778 degrees Kelvin.[3]

References

^ Sjöblad, Tristan. The Sun. Academic Press, 2018, p. 1. ^ Harinath, Paramjit. "Size of the Moon", Science, 51(78):46. ^ Uemura, Shū. The Sun's Heat. Academic Press, 2018, p. 2. 

In the second example above, the links between the provided references and their claim statement ref tags are perfectly clear. Kindly reformulate your edit request so that it aligns more with the second example above, and feel free to re-submit that edit request at your earliest convenience. Regards, Spintendo  15:28, 11 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry, newbie mistake on my part. I must interject a comment here. I opted to use the Visual Editor option (because I am not all that interested in learning the Wiki markup language) and as a result, I am not 100% sure that I have the gist of your comment about {ref} tags. I understand the basic ideas of the Wiki markup language but have no working fluency with it. So with apologies if I missed an important point, here is a modified version of the content and references of my original edit request: — Preceding unsigned comment added by SABrown256 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Please note that instructions for adding the appropriate ref-tagged citation format using the Visual Editor are at VisualEditor/Citation tool. Regards, Spintendo  21:14, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Some proposed changes
Information to be added or removed:

content (outline):


 * 1) He received his first drawing lessons in the Free Church Normal School, Cowcaddens.
 * 2) He took night classes at the Glasgow Art School taught by Mr. Robert Greenlees.
 * 3) He was an apprentice in the designing department of Messrs. Inglis and Wakefield, calico printers, for seven years.
 * 4) Studied at the Heatherly School in London.

Explanation of issue: Second attempt at edit request. Add information on art training of article's subject References supporting change: 1. "The New Royal Scottish Academician, Mr. A. K. Brown, R.S.A.", The Scottish Review, February 20, 1908, page 203

2. "A Scottish Artist, Death of Mr. A. K. Brown", The Glasgow Herald May 10, 1922, pg. 4 [a] "The New Royal Scottish Academician, Mr. A. K. Brown, R.S.A.", The Scottish Review, February 20, 1908, page 203 "... He belongs to a family that came from Fifeshire. When Mr. Brown was about three years old his father, who was a partner in a brass-finishing firm, removed to Glasgow, and there in the west he has resided ever since. It was in the Free Church Normal School, Cowcaddens, that he received his first drawing lessons. There was first discovered the art faculty which was subsequently developed when he became a student of the art school conducted by Mr. Robert Greenlees in Ingram Street. On leaving school Mr. Brown was for seven years an apprentice in the designing department of Messrs. Inglis and Wakefield, calico printers - a useful if somewhat protracted training for his subsequent career. Finally he abandoned the commercial side of art for its more aesthetic enjoyments. One of the first pictures he exhibited, while still an apprentice, was a landscape in oils of Dunnottar Castle, which was hung in the Glasgow Institute of 1870." [b] "A Scottish Artist, Death of Mr. A. K. Brown", The Glasgow Herald   May 10, 1922, pg. 4 "   Mr. A. K. Brown, though a native of Edinburgh, may be claimed as a Glasgow man. He was but a child when his parents removed to the Western Metropolis, where he ever afterwards resided. In his teens he entered a calico printing establishment in the city as a designer. He early displayed a bent for an artistic career. While still engaged in the calico works he attended the night classes at the Glasgow School of Art, then under the direction of Mr. Robert Greenless, the trainer of many local painters who have since won distinction. Subsequently he pursued his studies at the Heatherly School in London, and returned to Glasgow, where he settled as a landscaper painter. His progress was rapid. He was only 20 years of age when his first picture was exhibited. ..." NOTE: I have provided more of the paragraphs of the relevance citations than might be strictly required. My hope is that this gives you a bit more context to help in selecting the portion which, in your experience, gives a satisfactory citation. NOTE: I searched for tlx|request|edit in order to make the change you requested. I only found request|edit at the top and changed that. I hope I got that right. SABrown256 (talk) 19:59, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Reply 13-APR-2019
When ready to proceed with the requested information, kindly change the  template's answer parameter to read from yes to no. Thank you! Regards, Spintendo  22:18, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * As the references you've provided are not immediately accessible, please indicate the pertinent passages from each source which are used to verify the claims, and place those quoted passages of text here on the talk page verbatim. I can then insert them into the citations when they are added to the article.

Reply 14-APR-2019
Regards, Spintendo  15:41, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * As an embedded list, per MOS:EMBED.