Talk:Alexi Giannoulias

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I added the POV template because I believe this article fails to mention several significant events about the subject. As reported at http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/1685810,alexi-giannoulias-senate-bid-072609.article, there have been issues during the subjects' previous term that have relevance at the state level at least. "When Wells Fargo threatened to cut off the line of credit on Des Plaines-based Hartmarx, the president's tailor, Giannoulias threatened to yank the $8 billion in state funds they managed", and "Giannoulias took credit for revamping the state's Bright Start college savings program, though most parents have watched the money they invested for their children's college education shrink rather than expand since the downturn in the economy began." Phaeton84 (talk) 04:02, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Isn't the comment about Hartmarx itself a bit charged with a political view. Yes, they sold suits to the President. They were a major producer of suits in the US, one of the best known and one of the last of the U.S. suit makers. They were an asset to Illinois and he tried to save them from being killed by an out of state bank. Calling them the "President's tailor" makes them sound like a small store front of no importance to the community. 218.25.131.137 (talk) 14:33, 29 January 2010 (UTC)David in Des Plaines

Revised article to remove information lifted off of campaign websites and revised to include objective information from Associated Press and other third-party sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Glogothetis (talk • contribs) 13:55, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Actions in Office
I added a few sentences about the Springfield Hotel sale for $5 million. It's definitely an action he took in office so it belongs there. In fact he touted it on the campaign trail. I tried to keep it as neutral sounding as possible. Some of the other descriptions of his actions are a little too positive, but their source (campaign) is pretty obvious so it's not like anyone will be confused.

Delinquent Loans
The number of loans that are "delinquent" is irrelevant and misleading. Delinquency is a claim that the bank makes against a loan holder meaning the loan holder has not held up his end of the contract. Once the dispute goes to court or arbitration occurs or an agreement is reached the loan is no longer "delinquent."

For example, say I buy a car and only make one payment. After about two months the bank will file a claim of delinquency. Once they drag me to court and a settlement is reached, the loan is no longer "delinquent." —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheTacoKing96 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

FactCheck.org
Factcheck.org is a 527 organization. By definition, a 527 organization promotes a political platform. Factcheck.org is therefore a biased source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.28.186.30 (talk) 03:08, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you need a fact-check yourself! Factcheck.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania, which is a 501(c)3 organization. Reywas92 Talk 03:22, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

"Not Mark Kirk's Page"
Fully aware that this is not Mark Kirk's Wiki page, but unless these comments go on to Mark Kirk's page (which I doubt they will since his misstatements are barely on there), it should go on this one since it is factually accurate information about Giannoulias (per Factcheck.org and other sources) and are in regards to statements made about him, just like the Broadway Bank and Bright Start info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.26.85.253 (talk) 22:15, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * None of that makes said information relevant to the Giannoulias's wiki page. I say we leave it off 64.134.163.108 (talk) 23:08, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

admits knowing of criminal background to loan recipients?
Numerous reliable sources (LA Times)(MSNBC)(NYT) seem to be reporting this exchange between Giannoulias and David Gregory in which Giannoulias appears to admit knowledge of criminal activities by individuals receiving loans from Broadway. It seems like this would rise to notability? Ronnotel (talk) 20:35, 11 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Disagree. "Seem to be" and "appears to admit" do not meet the standard. Plus as you gently reminded me the other day over at the Bob Dold talk page - "Please remember that this is a BLP and anything that goes on this page needs to be relevant after the election as well as before." :) Politifact ranked this partisan attack line from the candidate's opponent as only "Half True" months ago. Cardinal91 (talk) 00:06, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Er - "partisan dig"? We're talking about the candidates own words as reported by sources that can hardly be called bastions of conservatism. As for relevance after the election, failing to comply with AML rules can lead to Federal sanctions and even loss of license. This is a big deal and the press is all over this - rightly so. Some mention belongs on the page. Ronnotel (talk) 12:15, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Some observations: Everyone can read the transcript at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39580664/ns/meet_the_press-transcripts &mdash; find the words "criminal figures" in the text for the first line; it goes 29 lines, to the commercial break. For direct quotes, one might as well use the direct source, and save other sources for WP:RS analysis. Did Giannoulias seem to be aware these people were crminals? Definitely. Did he appear to admit he knew they were at least some kind of criminals? He certainly implied it by the way he answered. Is that appropriate for the Wikipedia article? No; not unless multiple other neutral reliable sources state that it is the only interpretation. I saw this interview directly on Meet The Press Sunday. It was quite clear in the interview that Giannoulias was cornered; he finally got to the point where he said he "didn't know the extent of their criminal activity" and repeated that line even when asked directly if he knew whether the recipients had any criminal records at all. He also said once that "if I knew now what I know—if I knew then what I know now, these aren’t the kind of people that we do business with" &mdash; however, as Mark Kirk mentioned, these folks weren't exactly hiding their criminal records under the radar; some of them made the news. (In the next segment, the host gave Kirk a similar grilling about his misstating his military record in various ways.) Let the narrative of the interview itself speak for itself; no need to state whether a line is actually an "admission" or not, unless the widespread WP:RS interpretation is that it was; likewise, it's not appropriate to opine on how he could (not) have known they were criminals yet not have known they were major criminals, except if it comes up in multiple neutral reliable sources. --Closeapple (talk) 17:24, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree on the need for completely solid sourcing on something like this. No need to rush this. Thanks for your input. Ronnotel (talk) 17:43, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

protection?
Why is this article protected? And why, wasn't the protection discussed here first? I asked the user who made it protected for clarification. --Charles Jeffrey Danoff 21:38, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * He answered, see the history at . The worst of it is in the trash and you won't be able to see it, but the article was attracting far too much libel from IPs.  The article is merely semi-protected, so that IP's and newly registered editors can not edit it. --Charles Jeffrey Danoff 21:58, 2 November 2010 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charles Jeffrey Danoff (talk • contribs)

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