Talk:Alexis von Rosenberg, Baron de Redé

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I wrote this article quite a while ago but am very surprised it wasn't already written. Could it perhaps already exist under another heading? (Couter-revolutionary 09:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC))


 * Shouldn't the title be Alexis de Rédé? --Wetman 18:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * No, but it should perhaps be: Alexis von Rosenberg, Baron de Rede.--Couter-revolutionary 23:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Needs renamed, Alexis, Baron de Rede &c.--Couter-revolutionary 02:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Both NO! The father was created a Hungarian Baron Rosenberg on 12.04.1914 (diploma from 26.05.1916) but never with "Réde". Réde in the county of Heves was the birthplace of his father. The correct title is: Alexis Baron Rosenberg. Réde is a self elevated title, that does not exist. Maybe he thougt that Réde sounds much more elegant. But in Hungary it was possible, to make a place part of the name. In this case the hungarian name would have been: redey Rosenberg Alexis baro. But there exist no document, that Réde had been conferenced as part of a title. Also the coat of arms is unknown! Maybe it is on the diploma? And the system of the nobility in Hungary and Austria was completly different from the British system: we never had a 1., 2. or 3. baron, because all sons of a baron were also barons.Reitterman (talk) 10:46, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

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Baron de Rede, although not famous to the public at large was very well known in certain circles of society in London, New York and Europe in general, he was famous for his ball at the Hotel Lambert. As an aesthete (art collector &c.) he is of enough renown for inclusion but, further to this, he is a prominent diarist, his collections have been published and are available to purchase. --Couter-revolutionary 01:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I am well know in my town for playing football and boxing, that still does not satisfy WP:NN--Vintagekits 01:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * He is notable, regardless of whether you have heard of him. See the article on the Hotel Lambert for instance.--Couter-revolutionary 01:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * IF he was notable there will be plenty of references to him of the net - please supply these! Also with regards to the reference to Hotel Lambert - you simply added he name to the article. Does not comply with WP:NN I'm afraid!--Vintagekits 01:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I have added these sources to the AFD talk page. I only added him to See Also, he was previously mentioned in the article.--Couter-revolutionary 01:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * What sources?--Vintagekits 02:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The Daily Telegraph Obituary &c and the New York Social Diary entry.--Couter-revolutionary 02:05, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Well I've added a Notes section to take the documentation that has been so sincerely and so copiously requested: a major collector of French eighteenth-century Furniture and decorative arts. Not as important a field as that covered by Baseball Hobby News, which is considered "notable" at Wikipedia. The only name that you'll all recognize among those I've added is The Rolling Stones, I suppose. Imagine, Nina Ricci still without a Wikipedia entry! Time to introduce the rustics also to Charles de Bestegui, whose 1951 ball in Venice, worth a Wikipedia entry on its own, was the grandest social occasion of the post-War period. --Wetman 03:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The 1951 ball is now covered at Carlos de Beistegui, although it could, as you say, merit an article of its own. --  JackofOz (talk) 19:39, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

The significance of de Rédé is beyond dispute, as any simple Google query highlights. Though it could feasibly be considered heartwarming, the charitable pandering here to some troll's shoulder chips, is redundant. Engleham (talk) 12:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * ...quite satisfying to see how this article has filled out after all.--Wetman (talk) 09:27, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

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Following Wikipedia convention, shouldn't this article be located at Alexis von Rosenberg, 2nd Baron de Rédé? 86.25.56.24

The sentence "He also lived as a socialite in New York, mixing in the highest of circles." has been ticketed with a Fact tag! —added, no doubt, with the deepest concern for Wikipedia's accuracy and the enlightenment of the Wikipedia reader. --Wetman 07:16, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

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