Talk:Alexisonfire/Archive 1

Unique?
(in regards to the singing style one par"This management of good-versus-evil style of music and writing is unique to the band."

no not really many bands have soft vocals and "explosive screaming" in sequence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.186.2 (talk) 19:17, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I cant think of any bands that have the same melodic to chaotic style that Alexisonfire uses, could you provide an example please...


 * Bands like AFI use both clear and distorted vocals, but it's not quite the same style. I would listen a little closer to bands using both types of vocals and compare them.


 * Kinty500 (talk) 20:00, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Try practically any metalcore band and you'll see transitions from explosive screaming to soft vocals. This is just an example, but check out This Calling by All That Remains. If you want more, I could list off dozens of bands for you Canuck5551 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.199.156.211 (talk) 08:29, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Band Member Names
According to Alexisonfire's website it says that George's last name is Logan not Petitt, and that Wade's last name is Preston not Macneil. Any clarifications on this? Thanks, King Bigos


 * With regards to their surnames - George's is Pettit and Wade's is MacNeil - the ones they have on their website are simply homages to the Bill & Ted films (Ted "Theodore" Logan and Bill S. Preston Esq.) If you watch the video for Hey It's Your Funeral Mama, George is showing the other Georges how to sign his name, look closely on the flip chart, at the top, "Pettit" is written with a big tick next to it and "Logan" is written but crossed out. I've got a screen shot of it, where you can just about make it out: Screenshot here Jubella


 * Whoa.. haha you really went the extra mile on this one.. jerkmonkee 04:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * now no one can argue with me! lol Jubella 10:38, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for clearing that up  King Bigos

George on Video On Trial
I removed the following from the videography section: "George Pettit appeared in two or three episodes of the Much Music programming"

I did this for a few reasons:
 * it should probably go into George's article.. leading to my next point..
 * it doesn't belong in the videography section
 * it isn't that significant, alexisonfire has done many shows with Much Music, an example being with Ed the Sock
 * "two or three episodes".. we want this to maybe someday be a good, or even featured article.. that just doesn't cut it

respectfully, jerkmonkee 15:12, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

The Switcheroo Series Album Name
There has been a lot of various names for this album posted, including "The Switcheroo Series: Moneen vs. Alexis", "The Switcheroo Series: Alexisonfire vs. Moneen", and more recently "The Switcheroo Series: Burning Down The Pine Room". I have no idea where the Pine Room one is comming from; first, it says nothing about pine anything on the album, second this is the first in a series of "Switcheroo" albums from their label, and third the actual website listed it as "The Switcheroo Series: Alexisonfire vs. Moneen", or sometimes like on iTunes, its listed as simply "Switcheroo".

My point is where is this burning down the pineroom whatever the hell come from, and why do you think that is the name of the album??

respectfully, jerkmonkee 03:45, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The pineroom could be the studio where the album was recorded in. With regards, King Bigos


 * I believe that "Burning Down The Pine Room" is the subtitle that the EP was released in the UK under. Cheers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.48.243.189 (talk • contribs).


 * We should go with The Switcheroo Series: Alexisonfire vs. Moneen for now, that is the title of the article. I will do an investigation to further confirm it. -- Reaper  X  07:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * When you upload the disk to your hard drive, it reads as "Burning Down the Pine Room", even in the Canadian version. I don't know about the US version, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.5.200.68 (talk) 17:06, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Some music software grabs titles and track information from dirrectories made by users, not very reliable. According to the cover of the album, it is titled The Switcheroo Series: Alexisonfire Vs. Moneen
 * Kinty500 (talk) 20:07, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Added Band Template
Thats the thing that ties all the related Alexsiofire Pages together at the bottom. I also added them to all the related Alexsiofire pages. The reason that I'm mentioning this is because it might be confusing for anyone trying to edit it, its on a seperate page Here. If you want to add it to any other pages, simply add, without the quotes, " " to it.

jerkmonkee 03:38, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Genre
Indie? How can they be indie if they're on Atticus? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.12.134.248 (talk • contribs). 12:51, June 12, 2005


 * They're not 'on' Atticus. They're signed to Equal Vision records in America, Distort Entertainment in Canada and Sore Point Records in Europe. All 3 of these labels = independent record labels therefore they are classed as 'indie' Jubella 18:52, June 22, 2005


 * Are they metalcore? Their album pages say they are hardcore punk, and from what I've heard they don't sound like metalcore at all. I m arch 13:29, 31 October 2005 (UTC)Arch


 * They're not metalcore, they are Post-Hardcore. But discussion of the self title to actually be Screamo. -Davepwnt 21:35, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah they are Post-Hardcore (Socialismo01 20:27, 4 December 2006 (UTC))

Let's leave it at that. Post-hardcore, nothing more. The more general we stay on genre, the less edit warring we will have. -- Reaper  X  22:43, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

metalcore and post hardcore are the best descriptions —Preceding unsigned comment added by AustinGOLDENEYE (talk • contribs) 20:30, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Your say is not rule. We establish things here through consensus. Theres only a little consensus for post-hardcore right now. -- Reaper  X  20:39, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

no their selftitle isn't what wiki calls screamo, its closer to mathcore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.193.226.17 (talk) 04:50, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

First of all, "Indie" is not a genre... it describes the type of label they are signed to. Secondly, the band has denounced "screamo" and do not want any association with the genre. Lastly, The band have classified themselves as Post Hardcore. What they classify themselves as seems more reliable than any of our opinions. Kinty500 (talk) 20:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Alternative rock is what i say! and what most of my friend s say. 67.225.27.232 (talk) 15:02, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Alexis Fire
I am going to remove the link because its a link to a stripper's website, and i dont really think thats appropriate content for everyone who uses the Wikipedia.--Windsamurai 19:04, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is NOT censored. SnaX 00:19, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Why is there a link to the "non" website? I am removing it because it has no relevance. --Zippanova 17:38, 3 May 2005 (UTC)


 * It's the website they were named after - I think it has a lot of relevance


 * I deleted a link to Alexis Fire's website on the page. So I simply ask:
 * Don't put links to Alexis Fire's website in the article, seeing as it is porn. King Bigos


 * There should be some reference to her site since that's what they were named after. There doesn't have to be an actual clickable link, just have it written there. If people choose to look at it, so be it. I'm sure it's been done a million times before. Or you could put a link and then put a warning, I just think it should be there considering that's the band name's origin Jubella 08:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Where they got the name from should be noted, but if someone desires to go to the page that much, then they can simply do a Google search. --robz0r 08:54, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The band's real site is www.theonlybandever.com (Socialismo01 20:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC))

Porn or not, there are many sources noting alexisonfire.com as what named the band, this is relevant and taking it out simply because it's not a "G" rated topic sounds like vandalism to me. You need a better reason to remove a more than relevant link. Kinty500 (talk) 20:18, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Peacock terms
A tag was added stating that this article may be compromised by peacock terms. I scanned the article, and failed to see anything like "one of the best...", "the most influential...", "a significant...", "intriguingly...", or anything like that. Perhaps I did not look hard enough. If anyone can point out any peacock terms, go for it, and remove them. If I fail to see any more evidence of it, I will remove the tag. -- Reaper  X  21:37, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Crisis Torrent
In mid-July, a torrent of the yet to be released Crisis album was available on the internet from various BitTorrent sites over a month before the UK release date, which is set on August 21, 2006.


 * Okay, I'll mention it on the Crisis page. -- Reaper  X  17:46, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

About the release of Alexisonfire's new album: Crisis
On limited edition cds. They include a usb drive which has contents the live performances of "Accidents" and "Mailbox Arson" (performed @ Scene Music Festival, St. Catherines), the making of the videoes "Passing of America" and "This could be Anywhere"(Muchmusic's On Set of "This could be Anywhere") and a video of photos while they were in Europe with the Audio of a new song "Thorns". There is also a extra song on the usb drive called, "My God is a Reasonable Man". —Preceding unsigned comment added by ShadowSlave (talk • contribs)


 * Again, I'll mention it on the Crisis page. -- Reaper  X  04:19, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Videography
I gave the videography its own article. In that article, all the information in the former "Direction" subsection on the main article is redistributed under each respective music video. The old "direction" section didn't actually have much to do with direction anyway. It was more like a short synopsis for most of the videos. Pardon me for not discussing it. I'm reverting the edit back now, assuming there's no objections. --EndlessVince 20:00, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, thanks alot for letting us know. -- Reaper  X  22:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Magazine Covers
Well wikipedia wont let us put magazine covers on pages unless it is the magazine's actual page so voila - Chart (magazine) + Eye weekly + The Coast - I intend to take over the world - well wikipedia with my Alexisonfire covers - I will keep you informed of any more i manage to sneak in!!! --Sharonlees 11:42, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Template SNAFU
Hey guys. I recently modified the bands template. Aloing with including Jesse Ingelevics, I replaced · with |, and Side projects and labels under the heading "Related content. Give me hell for messing with a good thing, but now this related content section is all bolded for some reason, and I cannot figure out why. Can someone see if they can fix it? -- Reaper  X  23:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Don't ask how. -- Reaper  X  23:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Reuploaded Infobox image
Alright I reuploaded the infobox image with all the proper fair use and the photographer blabla.. its from the press section of the band's label's website, it was meant to be used like this, there is no copyright infringement and so on.. if you remove it, i will jump you.. love jerkmonkee 15:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Steele Backing Vocals
Since I've never known Chris Steele to provide any sort of vocals for the band, and the fact that Wade had no mention of the vocals he performs for the band beside his name, I removed "vocals" from Steele and added them to Wade. --Paddled 03:07, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Dallas Green side project, City and Colour, up for deletion
Opinions needed-see Articles_for_deletion/City_and_Colour.

Seraphim Whipp 18:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Result was keep.
 * Seraphim Whipp 22:05, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Bergenfield Four
Where can you hear them?

Lowdown records myspace

i could also release a torrent, i got the 7" and recorded it to my pc 192kbs mp3's its awesome

Mistake
Thought I'd just drop a comment here; I made a mistake in what I thought was a correction, with the band members link for Dallas Green. D'oh! It was a stupid mistake so I'm glad someone fixed it :-)

Seraphim Whipp 00:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Alexisonfirelogo.png
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Category
I have created Category:Alexisonfire. Any articles directly relating to AOF should be placed in this category. Cheers. -- Reaper  X  19:47, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Also be aware of the subcategories Alexisonfire albums and Alexisonfire songs. -- Reaper  X  02:43, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Mainstream era
It appears that the Mainstream era section has a "This article or section may contain original research or unverified claims." banner on it. When I wrote that section I was very tired, and upon re-reading it, the claim seems to be true, and so suggestions to what the two sentances in question should be changed to would be greatly apricated.

The two sentances that a apear to be inacurate are:
 * Crisis itself was a step away from their underground and more progressive rock/post-hardcore roots into a more popular and "radio friendly" style.
 * With their change of musical style, the band also changed their style of video from a more underground style using the director Marc Ricciardelli, to a more mainstream approach.

The reason I originally wrote these was that it seemed to be general idea between fans, and thus cannot be proved as fact. --Yz rules 09:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, those are exactly the problematic sentences I saw. I cut alot of the other stuff out like:


 * "Others however (particularly new fans of the band and the band's area of music) believe Crisis to be their best album so far."; and
 * "For example, the first video from Crisis, This Could Be Anywhere In The World consists of the band playing with some special effects whereas their previous videos were very stylised and had stories, styles and humour, such as the video for Hey, It's You Funeral Mama (from the album Watch Out!) which sees the band 'auditioning' replacements for themselves so as to avoid touring the world."


 * This is very original research that could never be cited, and it was not very encyclopedic. But the two sentences you mentioned were left behind because I felt that maybe you could find a source for them in some review commentary. "General ideas between fans" do not belong here, this is an encyclopedia. But don't be discouraged Yz, I applaud your efforts to expand this article. Just be aware that what you write should be encyclopedic, and not from a fan's perspective. Keep it up! Cheers. -- Reaper  X  02:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Videography → Discography
I'm not sure why I'm bothering discussing this, I have little hope I'll get any responses...but there's some there. I think the discography section is way too long to include in the main article. I think we should move Alexisonfire Videography to Alexisonfire discography and put most of that stuff there. Thoughts? -- Reaper  X  06:01, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Former Members
"george is engaged to a girl named sarah"

I don't think this would fit under former members, and if anything it would go on George Petit's page. Any sources for this? Please fix. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.67.72.13 (talk • contribs) 22:54, 9 November 2007

"Inglevics is now currently touring with Jimi Hendrix and says he is both an inspirational and Jamaican man who is a credit to rock music." I just removed that. Story is that Jesse's (ex?) girlfriend called him and said she was going to kill herself while the band was on tour in Germany, and Jesse ditched to go save her. Is it true? I don't know. But that hendrix bit sure isn't.

Some stuff
Okay, a couple things here. Firstly, I went to an Alexisonfire concert last night and got some decent pics on my girlfriend's camera. We just need to figure out a way to get them off of there, I will upload them to Commons under a Creative Commons licence ASAP, and then integrate a couple here. Secondly, I have never heard of this Jake Touzel guy, and I found nothing linking him and Alexisonfire in a Google search, so I have removed that until someone can provide a citation. Thirdly, I am going to try and find time to improve and expand this article once I have some priorities in real life taken care of (ie. schoolwork, applying for university etc.). This will call for all claims to be cited, which means more sources, and major addition/removal of items. So if you can find anything or know of anything that could add to the article, either be bold and add it, add it to the to-do list, or leave a message on my talk page. Cheers. -- Reaper  X  04:20, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Infobox image
I have reverted the addition of this image to the infobox because it violates WP:NONFREE. #1 states no free equivalent must exist, and there is: see Image:Alexisonfire live.JPG, and my note above about more images on the way. Secondly, 10a and 10c state it must have "Attribution of the source of the material", and "a separate fair-use rationale for each use of the item" must be provided, respectively. I know it looks nice, but Wikipedia must strive to be a FREE encyclopedia. Cheers. -- Reaper  X  19:25, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * But it's a POSTER. Available to the public. It's a poster and if anything, this should be the band's photo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabriel Surette (talk • contribs) 20:55, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Just because it is available to the public does not mean that it is in the public domain in terms of copyright law. Someone almost certainly holds a copyright to that poster, probably the photographer or possibly the record company. Non-free content is clear about this—for a photograph of people, let's try to find better photo that has been released into the public domain. -- Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 21:29, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Band name
Presumably from the way the band name entry is written in the band FAQ their name is Alexis-on-fire ("What kind of an idiot would name a band alex is on fire?"), however the page quotes this entry (incorrectly, unless it's changed since the last access time) as '"What kind of an idiot would name a band Alex is on fire?" True, but "What could if idiot would name a band Alexis on fire?"'. I'm inclined to believe that, especially considering the grammatical errors, this quotation is incorrect. The name of the "contortionist" is, after all, Alexis, and everywhere I've ever heard it pronounced (including by the band themselves on live videos etc.) is as Alexis-on-fire. My point is, I'll change the article to match. User:Ukdmbfan 19:54, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Metalcore
Alexisonfire is definetly not Metalcore, and vary far from it, so im removing it from the genres. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.116.8.78 (talk) 03:16, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Who is adding all of these genres, just because they're sourced? It's better to just leave it at Post-hardcore, maybe hardcore punk or punk rock. And there's nothing metal about their sound, so whatever source that is doesn't know what they're saying.
 * I'm willing to keep post-hardcore and emo because they have multiple sources. But anyone that knows anything ca tell that alexisonfire sounds nothing like metalcore. Middleman (contribs) 16:48, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Scroll up and look at the Genre section of this discussion... The band consider themselves Post Hardcore, that's it, not Emo or Screamo, infact there are articles about how they want nothing to do with those genres. Let stop feeding the misconception and leave it as Post Hardcore.
 * Kinty500 (talk) 20:26, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

i have reverted the edit of metal core but personally i reckon Post-Hardcore and Melodic Hardcore fit this band. Jonjonjohny (talk) 10:53, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Not Screamo
This band is not screamo. Please learn your genres and stop ruining stuff for people who are looking for legit screamo. Bloodbath 87 (talk) 06:31, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately it's sourced so we can't really do anything about it. PEiP (talk) 15:20, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * It is not sourced, in fact the band have cleared that misconception by saying they hate screamo and want nothing to do with it. There is 3 sections about genre now, please look at the entire discussion before you make a new section.
 * The band classify themselves as Post Hardcore, plain and simple... and their classification is much better than any of ours.
 * Kinty500 (talk) 20:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Doesn't matter what they call themselves. In order to remove that label (which in my opinion seems an entirely incorrect one for this band) we need simply to find out if the 'sources' are considered reliable by Wiki standards. (Albert Mond (talk) 08:11, 13 October 2009 (UTC))


 * Alright, the Aversion one doesn't so much as MENTION screamo. Checking the other one out. (Albert Mond (talk) 08:14, 13 October 2009 (UTC))


 * Second one refers to screamo as, and I quote "emotional hardcore with a lot of screaming." Jesus Christ, then what the hell was Rites of Spring? (Albert Mond (talk) 08:17, 13 October 2009 (UTC))


 * Anyway, I've just removed the Aversion source as used to defend 'screamo,' as it might as well have been a review of Captain Beefheart, as far as relevance goes. (Albert Mond (talk) 08:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC))

Scremo is not even a genre. It is a stereo type of what people would call anything with a hint of a scream in it. It needs to be removed. Mackenziepricee (talk) 10:29, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Alright. It says that it's sourced in the editor's notes. However, there's no source next to it. Where's the source?(Albert Mond (talk) 08:46, 10 April 2010 (UTC))

Lead guitar/Rhythm guitar
Is dallas green the lead guitarist oder wade? it seems that they both changing the position of the lead and rhythm guitarist. what do you think? i know its not important but i just ask^^ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.194.242.26 (talk) 15:20, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Dallas Green as a former member
I understand the rational for making Dallas Green a former member due to his claim he hasn't been an active member for over a year, which is why i created this section to stop an edit war. But since he is appart of the band for all the touring both before and after announcing the breakup shouldnt we just leave him as a member until the full breakup occurs? Jonjonjohny (talk) 23:28, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * A final Alexisonfire tour is only an idea at this point, and Green doesn't seem terribly interested in participating. He gave this vague response in an interview that is currently being used as a source in this article: "Like George said, we've talked about doing some final shows. But to me, I've already played my last Alexisonfire show. In my heart, the last show was in St. Catharine's, Ontario in 2010." As of right now, he's not an active member of the band and hasn't been for sometime. We should wait and see if he joins the final tour, and if the tour does happen. Fezmar9 (talk) 23:45, 11 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Then by your reasoning, shouldn't Wade MacNeil also be added as a former member? He also "officially " left the band before the announcement of them disbanding.  Why just single Dallas out?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.255.100.82 (talk) 01:13, 12 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Because Dallas Green has made it perfectly clear that he's done with Alexisonfire. Wade simply got accepted into another band, but has not made a statement (as far as I can see) about his feelings toward a final tour. Fezmar9 (talk) 01:38, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Tense/Broken up
All of the sources you have indicate that they have broken up. That they may play some shows together is 1) not certain, as your sources already say, (heck, one source even says its unlikely) and 2) not relevant, because they're still officially broken up as a group, just as their page states. Otherwise, we'd be changing the tense on bands every time they did a reunion tour, even twenty years after the broke up. Unless you have a reliable source clearly indicating that a final tour is planned, then the tense should be changed to past. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:55, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a fair point, and one I have to admit I didn't check out before requesting protection thinking it was an open/shut case of recentism. Looking at the sources in more detail, I agree that past tense is more appropriate for now at least. U-Mos (talk) 11:57, 12 August 2011 (UTC)