Talk:Alf-Inge Haaland

Roy Keane issue
I will delete the statement "It was said on Håland's web site that it was not as a result of Roy Keane's tackle (according to the website the injury that ended Håland's career was in his other knee, not the one that got hit in the Keane tackle)", since there is no reference to it. I could not find anything on Haland's website as well.


 * I remember it at the time, Håland admitted that the Keane tackle had nothing to do with his retirement, but that didn't stop the media from pretending otherwise. Håland quickly removed the statement that Keane wasn't to blame and tried to sue Keane, but never actually got as far as suing Keane, because he didn't have a case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.235.100.9 (talk) 20:38, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Å or AA
Is Alf-Inge's name spelt Haaland or Håland? In some web pages it says Haaland, and in this article it says Håland. - Up and over for a six! (talk) 06:38, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * In English language sources, Haaland's name is spelled with a double-A. Hence this article should be located at Alf-Inge Haaland. – PeeJay 22:51, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Inconsistency
The article states: "...in 2001, Keane fouled Håland, high up on his right knee effectively ending Haalands career." But a few lines later: "Håland retired through injury, co-incidentally to the other knee, in 2002." They can't both be right. Which is it? Tsuguya (talk) 15:41, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Not sure if you'll see this, but Haaland had a pre-existing left knee problem that, according to Haaland, did not prevent him from playing until it was aggravated by Keane's tackle. The implication is that the immediate injury to his right knee was secondary in severity to the aggravation to his left knee. As I have no access to the medical files, I can't assess the veracity of that claim, but football players have sustained injuries to secondary body parts that were not the immediate point of contact. Dead men&#39;s bells (talk) 12:29, 9 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Where has Haaland stated that it never prevented him from playing? He's said that he had to "play through it", which is not the same thing, and in fact provides evidence for the conclusion that you don't want to reach.  There is also no evidence to say his right knee was aggravated in that tackle.  In fact, Haaland's own statement on the matter states the opposite.  Again, you state that there was "immediate injury" to his right knee.  I repeat: there is no evidence for this.  What you say about injuries to secondary body parts may be true, but again you provide no relevant evidence.  As such, your argument is about as valid as saying that some footballers have been caught dogging, so maybe Haaland has too?

Depth
Reading this article, it would appear that Haaland did nothing in his career other than be fouled by Roy Keane. Seriously, there must be something to say about the rest of his 300+ game career........... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:46, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Original research/POV.
I edited the Roy Keane section because it was based entirely on external conclusions. The author simply cited match reports that simply stated when Haaland came off and that he participated in a Norwegian friendly, and used them to personally decide that Haaland was therefore not injured in the incident. Given that a) neither of those "cited" articles address the specifics of his injury, b) numerous football players play in spite of their injuries, c) that Haaland states that he was injured, and d) that Keane has stated that he injured him, that is not a factual conclusion, but rather an opinion that is not backed up by the sources the author "cited." I edited this paragraph to reflect Haaland's participation in the matches mentioned in those articles without making any personal conclusions about his injury. I also included Haaland's statement on the matter and Keane's professed "success" in injuring him. Beyond detailing his match participation and presenting the statements of the players involved, it is not the place of any Wikipedia author to decide the extent to which the incident in question contributed to the end of Haaland's career. There are no statements from club and/or personal doctors that would offer any hard evidence once way or the other. Please do not try to make this part of the article sound more pro-Keane or pro-Haaland just because you like one of them. Dead men&#39;s bells (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:23, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for doing this. The article has bothered me for a while, but I haven't had the time to fix these issues. :) Mentoz86 (talk) 14:28, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
 * For someone who apparently is concerned about people drawing "personal conclusions", you seem to have a fine habit of doing so yourself.
 * a) This is not surprising, as there was no report of any injury.
 * b) Many more do not. But your argument is irrelevant - Haaland admitted a to playing through a pre-existing injury to his left knee.
 * c) No he did not. He stated the exact opposite.
 * d) No he did not.
 * e) You did not include Haaland's statement on the matter.
 * f) Keane did not profess any "success" in injuring him.
 * g) City stated that they dropped the matter due to medical evidence. There is also Haaland's clear initial statement on the matter.  That is hard evidence.
 * For you refuse to drop the implication that Haaland's career was ended by a foul that wasn't on the same leg, didn't cause any apparent immediate injury, didn't stop him from playing, and which is the only foul where Haaland has actually explicitly stated did not cause any injury, rather suggests that it is you who has the agenda.

'''"Knee Injury Wasn't Caused By Keane: I had the operation on my knee earlier in this week and it went well. In fact, I wouldn't really call it an operation; it was more of a clean-up job on my knee. And I just wanted to make it clear that it was not the knee that took a knock in the Manchester derby, despite what some papers have reported. It's my left knee that's been bothering me, and it was clearly shown on Sky that it was my right knee that took the knock. Another example of the papers not checking their sources! It's actually been bothering me for the last three months, but I've played through it as we attempted to avoid relegation. Now that we're down, it seemed like the most sensible thing to do it now, to get it out of the way so I'll be ready in time for pre-season. While the others have been preparing for the last game, against Chelsea, I've been having treatment every day in an attempt to get some movement back into my leg. After anything like that, it all goes a bit dead, so they're just trying to get the swelling down and get the muscle working again. It's one of those things that just had to be done and, as I say, it seems to be going well so far."'' - Haaland on his own website — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.128.89.10 (talk) 21:35, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Moved. Nathan Johnson (talk) 00:41, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Alf-Inge Haaland → Alf-Inge Håland – It is the case with most other footballers on here, to use their native name if their home country use the Latin alphabet.  VEO one five 23:30, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - Having just said Talk:Ana Ivanovic (sic) was the only example of a diacritic-stripped furriner on en.wp, up pops this... though aa for å isn't the same thing, just as the abandoned English method of ue for German ü isn't simple diacritic-removal. Evidently Alf-Inge Håland was known as "Alfie Haaland" (Roy Keane's autobiography in The Times 12 August 2002) in the UK. The 1920s Norwegian typewriter combination å to aa, Alf-Inge Haaland, is also found in soccer sources about the Roy Keane incident. "Alf-Inge Haland" (Swedish typewriter solution, when no å on keyboard drop å for single a) is also found in English sources. But this can all be covered by redirects, he played for the Norwegian national team, started in Norway, returned to Norway, i.e. he's a Norwegian. WikiProject FOOTBALL doesn't have, judging by articles, it appears, any practice of giving "British names" to Norwegian national team players, and it appears å is used in all other Scandinavian BLPs on en.wp. (forgive me for not reiterating all the usual alphabetti WP:UE, WP:EN, WP:MOSPN, etc. WP:AT horizontal consistency, WP:RS "reliable for the statement" and WP:BLP "get the article right" seem the most relevant in this case). In ictu oculi (talk) 01:30, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * But what about WP:UE that says that we should use the most common name used in English sources? But I think it would be interesting to have a look at sources for other Norwegian expatriates in England, like Frode Grodås, Ole Gunnar Solskjær or Stig Inge Bjørnebye - if the case is the same with these names as with Haaland, we might move his article for consistency reason. Mentoz86 (talk) 01:46, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes this is correct, although WP:UE has been (mis)applied to font issues (e.g. Zoë Baird → Zoe Baird), in this case it wouldn't be misuse of WP:UE, for a material change, changing letters aa → å. Frode Grodås could be written aa. All the same even some English sport websites do spell eurosport.com Håland. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:24, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 08:53, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Support - we shouldn't give 'British' names to foreign players, his name is 'Alf-Inge Håland' and should be spelt that way. GiantSnowman 09:11, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support per previous discussions and outcomes. HandsomeFella (talk) 14:32, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support, the guy only has one real name. Geschichte (talk) 11:55, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support; more accurate spelling. bobrayner (talk) 23:01, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
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Assessment comment
Substituted at 05:04, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Name
Haalands name is Alfie Haaland. Source: norweigan tax list and this. The page should also be moved to Alfie Haaland. --JOestby (talk) 13:43, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * This is irrelevant, he may go by Alfie, but the lead should be his full name which is why I reverted your edits yesterday. Footballgy (talk) 16:10, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * His full name is Alfie Haaland.. --JOestby (talk) 16:18, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * His full juridic name is Alfie Haaland. JOestby (talk) 10:15, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Extra information
I have added extra info to haaland's Retirement and past between Roy Keane 2A01:B340:63:A59A:3498:4EEB:547A:46D9 (talk) 14:33, 12 June 2022 (UTC)