Talk:Alfred, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

Succession box
i had written in the succession box that after alfred, prince philip was duke of edinburgh. it was deleted with the specification that philip did not inherit the title from alfred. that is very true, but that does not mean that philip was not duke of edinburgh after alfred and that no-one else was duke of edinburgh inbetween. just like with the title of princess royal where there can be difference of hundreds of years between two princesses royals and they don't inherit it from each other. it says nowhere that in order for someone to succeed he has to inherit what he succeeds...


 * Not sure who wrote this or when, but the answer would be that in the infobox the "person" succeeding Alfred should read "Extinct" as he had no heir eligible and the title ended with his death. There was no Duke of Edinburgh between Affie's death in 1900 and Philip receiving the title.  It was recreated for Prince Philip (labelled as "New Creation" in the Preceded by area of the infobox for Prince Philip) in 1947.  History Lunatic (talk) 07:08, 11 September 2013 (UTC)History Lunatic

Infoboxes
Which of these should we remove? I feel that the Ducal House of SCG can go, as the Royal Famiy would "outrank" the Ducal family. Two infoboxes like this makes for a cluttered article. Any ideas? Prsgoddess187 02:24, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

i agree with you, if one of them should go, it's the scg one. but i think the article is large enough to permit both of them. ilya 11:53, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * They should both stay, as he was both of them. GoodDay (talk) 23:20, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The infobox for Duke of Edinburgh has been removed. Why please?  History Lunatic (talk) 06:49, 11 September 2013 (UTC)History Lunatic

Page Movement
Where was the consensus to move this page from Prince Alfred, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha? Now it's out of sync with his brothers & sisters (not including King Edward VII). GoodDay (talk) 23:18, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * It does not matter if it is out of sync with his brothers and sisters. Alfred was a sovereign duke and there is a convention laying out the titling used on Wikipedia for those at WP:NC(NT). British princely status is not superior and he is not bound to be titled as such just because he was a member of the British Royal Family. Charles 00:32, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, note, the page move was a restorative one. The previous move was not discussed and did not have a basis in the naming conventions. Charles 00:33, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Okie Dokie. GoodDay (talk) 00:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry about that, I made the same assumption as GoodDay — cheers Charles DBD 11:56, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * No need to apologize, it was in good faith! Charles 12:31, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Minor Issues
I believe the last entry in the Heir to the British Throne section is inaccurate. "On January 14, 1892, when Prince Albert Victor died, he once again became sixth in line to the throne." This fails to take into account that a grandniece, Lady Alexandra Duff, had been born in May 1891 and would have preceded him in line to the throne.

Also, in the box listing his children, his daughter Beatrice is listed as married to the 3rd Duke of Galliera. Beatrice's own article says he was the 5th Duke. Mapjc (talk) 14:15, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Why not DUke of York?
I was wondering why if he was the next brother of the heir to the throne he was not created Duke of York as always used in the peerage of England, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, I try to found any reference to this but the article lacks any information, can someone please give me some explanation, and it would be very nice to add it to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lefairh (talk • contribs) 23:06, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've read it suggested that Victoria was intending for her sons' primary titles to (a) be distanced from her Hanoverian forebears and (b) be named for places in the home nations other than England (hence Wales, Edinburgh, Connaught and Albany). DBD 22:24, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh thanks for the answer! Lefairh (talk) 19:14, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Arms
I think we should use the arms of a sovereign for a sovereign, rather than the arms he had as a junior member of another ruling house... Charles 07:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes. Imagine if George I were to have his Hanoverian shield instead of his British one. :) PeterSymonds (talk)  08:11, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I would argue he should have both if the arms of Hanover were different from the arms of Great Britain and Ireland at the time ;) Charles 19:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh. *Sigh* you win. ;) PeterSymonds (talk)  19:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Mount Alfred
Mountain in British Columbia was named for the Duke. Others surrounding Princess Louisa Inlet were named for members of his family.-- KenWalker | Talk 05:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Where should Ancestors go?
Anyone have a good idea of where to move the Ancestry section and the now-recollapsed ancestry box (ahnentafel)? In some articles, it goes naturally with Marriage and Children (useful if you're tracing the ancestry of a subject's children or the descendants of a subject's ancestors), but this might break the narrative flow of this article. It might go (perhaps as a subsection) with the section on Succession. I just think it's rather lonely and not very functional where it is right now, except perhaps for adding a few lights to the style and arms that follow.—— Shakescene (talk) 20:28, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

The ahnentafel in general are obnoxious. What's the point? john k (talk) 05:33, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Religion
What religion did the Duke and his family followed? Was Alfred Anglican or Lutheran? Did Maria Alexandrovna drop her Orthodox faith when she married? Also what religions were the children raised in?--Queen Elizabeth II&#39;s Little Spy (talk) 15:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I believe that the Duchess of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha maintained an Orthodox chapel during her married life. As for Alfred and the children, I do not know. Perhaps look at the religion of Victoria Melita when she married into the Russian imperial house... There might be a note of her religion. Seven Letters 16:12, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I assume Alfred went to Anglican services until 1893, and then went to Lutheran services while he was Duke of Saxe-Coburg. I'm not sure it makes sense to describe such a change as a conversion.  His children would presumably have been raised Anglican.  Both Marie and Beatrice married Catholics; I'm not sure what religion they had thereafter.  Victoria Melita eventually converted to Orthodoxy.  Alexandra married a protestant German prince.  john k (talk) 16:50, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

great uncle ?
"Alfred was christened by the Archbishop of Canterbury, William Howley, at the Private Chapel in Windsor Castle on 6 September 1844. His godparents were his maternal great-uncle, Prince George of Cambridge (represented by his father, the Duke of Cambridge);"

This statement appears to be incorrect. "Prince George of Cambridge" would appear to be Queen Victoria's first cousin. Queen Victoria's father, the duke of Kent,  and Prince George's father,  the Duke of Cambridge,   were brothers,  being the 4th and 10th sons of George III ( or something like that ).

Therefore, Prince Alfred b.1844 was the first cousin once removed of Prince George of Cambridge. Prince George wasn't Prince Alfred's great uncle at all. It would appear that it was actually the Duke of Cambridge, and not his son Prince George of Cambridge,  who was Prince Alfred's great-uncle (being the brother of Prince Alfred's grandfather).Eregli bob (talk) 17:32, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Heir to the throne of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha
See .--The Emperor&#39;s New Spy (talk) 18:17, 7 December 2012 (UTC)


 * What for? Was it disputed? Seven Letters 21:35, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I was arguing about the removal of the succession box by User:Surtsicna. It is removed now.--The Emperor&#39;s New Spy (talk) 11:18, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Back or Buttocks?
With regard to the assassination, when I was working in the Central Sydney Area Health Service, which includes Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, we were told that the Prince had been shot in the buttocks. The press says "back", but they would, wouldn't they??? Do we have a definitive source, such as a historian who examined medical records etc?--Jack Upland (talk) 00:01, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

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Military offices - info box
Prince Alfred was Commander-in-Chief, Plymouth 1890, Admiral of the Fleet 1893, was succeeded by Algernon Lyons, not Sir Algernon de Horsey, (retired 1892). Stephen2nd (talk) 21:07, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

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Midshipman or naval cadet?
I don't know, but the awkward fact is that the reference still given (the Courtney book, which I have a copy of) says midshipman. If it is actually naval cadet, then a new reference should be substituted.

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