Talk:Alfred J. Kwak

General discussion
I don't like this page at all. Alfred isn't an anti-hero, far from it! He is a very pure character. Though I suppose you could mention it as unlike most cartoon characters (regarding the ones aimed at kids) the characters are very flat, whereas in this series they're very round, and therefore have some flaws.

I also don't think it's that sad at all. I loved the series when I was a kid, and I still do for that matter. And I was the type of kid who hated sad stories and scary movies. The series is just more realistic than most cartoons: people can die in the real world, bad things happen in the real world. There is racism, poverty, crime, pollution. In my opinion it discusses all of these topics in a very honest, educational en most importantly non-depressing way (so that little kids can still enjoy the show). The storylines don't necessarily have a happy ending (but often they do), but they always end with hope. I think in fact that this show is more uplifting than most kids shows, because the storylines are more realistic and the kids therefore can take that hope with them.

Also, it was animated by a Japanese studio, but the order was by a Dutch television channel, so I don't think you can call it a Japanese cartoon. DodgeK 01:48, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Hey DodgeK; this cartoon was great. Without taking the other info away, I`ve added some more info to the page to flesh it out a bit, and give a bit more of a rounded view as to why people liked it. -Ben G 15.01 30/9/05
 * I changed one thing: in the Dutch cartoon, Dolf is part merel. There's no English Wiki entry for "merel" so I linked to the Dutch one so people can see the yellow beak.  "Jackdaw" shows a picture of a wholly black bird, and I remember in the series that Dolf had to color his beak black to become president of the All Crows' Party.  Also wondering if there should be some links on the bottom? Gaviidae


 * The English name for a merel is not jackdaw, but blackbird. I corrected the link and removed the link to the Dutch page, as it's now no longer necessary. Lunapuella 17:29, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I find the cartoon rather sad sometimes. Every time you watch the ducks cross the busy Dutch road you cringe. Gaviidae 06:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

German
Someone added that Alfred Jodocus Kwak is a German cartoon, which I doubt. Maybe it was confused with Dutch cartoon?
 * The characters and cartoons itself are drawn by German illustrator Harald Siepermann, they were used to accompany the show by Herman van Veen (who is Dutch) about Alfred J. Kwak. The animated series are a collaboration between the Dutch (Van Veen), Germans (Siepermann) and Japanese (who did all the animation work). mensch • t 22:56, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for clarifying.--82.171.118.234 13:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd add that the story takes place in a very Dutch landscape (flat with grachten-canals and farms everywhere), and Groot Waterland is the name of Alfred's "country." While not being completely clear, it seems the cartoon is supposed to take place in the Netherlands.Gaviidae

DVDs
Does anyone know anything about released DVDs of this series? I believe that a DVD set was supposed to come out "somewhere in August" this year, but I have not seen anything of it thus far. —msikma &lt;user_talk:msikma&gt; 21:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

is this series considerd a anime series..?
I found it on animenewsnetwork.com... is this series considerd a anime or a cartoon? what do you reccon? --Acidburn24m 22:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Nah, it's a cartoon. The reason why I think it's listed on something like animenewsnetwork is the fact that all the animation was done by Japanese animators. The original characters and general designs were drawn by German illustrator Harald Siepermann, who certainly doesn't come from an anime tradition. mensch • t 00:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The word "anime" has the same meaning as "cartoon". It depends on what style you recon prevails. If the Japanese influences are strong enough, you could call it an anime. I don't think that it is, but since it's been included in several anime sites and actually has been translated and broadcast in Japan (something that does not generally happen to cartoons), the article should probably say that it "may be seen as anime". I still recon it's a cartoon.  function msikma(user: UserPage, talk: TalkPage ): Void  12:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's been a while since I wrote my previous comment, but I'd like to retract it anyway. I do think we should call it an anime, because the animation of this TV show was made in Japan, in the usual Japanese style. That should define it as "anime", despite the fact it's originally Dutch. —msikma (user, talk) 22:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Should this page be about the cartoon, the character or the story ?
I noticed that this page is mostly about the animated TV series, for which I have two complaints:


 * 1) The name of the TV series and the original story is not "Alfred Jodocus Kwak", but "Alfred J. Kwak". This means the page redirect should be the other way around. The full name of the main character is Alfred Jodocus Kwak.
 * 2) The TV series is just one of the many incarnations of the story. There is a comic strip, several books, and of course three seperate theatre shows (1976, 1987 and 2003).

All in all this page comes very short of what Alfred J. Kwak really is.

-- Peter 21:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's true that this article is specific to the TV series. There should be articles about the other adaptations as well, I believe. Maybe it's best to move this page to Alfred J. Kwak (TV series), and then make stub articles for Alfred J. Kwak (book), Alfred J. Kwak (theatre show), and Alfred J. Kwak (comic book) when someone has the time to work on them. I personally wouldn't make a separate article for the character, because it might be hard to come up with information that hasn't already been mentioned in any of the other articles, and it may be deleted for being too minor if it doesn't expand properly within a reasonable time. —msikma (user, talk) 21:17, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Alfred J Kwak N.jpg
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 * OK. —msikma (user, talk) 20:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Getting this Listed as an Anime on Wikipedia
I typically wouldn't care, because of production teams and such, but Alfred J. Kwak appears to be a bit more than what one meets the eye. While I know the term Anime means Animation in General, I solely do believe the series can be considered a Japanese anime. For one, the production team for the series is heavily Japanese, with some Character Designs, Music, as well as Story Writing is Dutch. However, the main animation, sound effects, episode dialogue, and among other things, are entirely Japanese. Also, in particular, the Japanese version has a full production team listing for the episodes. In the past, Wikipedia has listed shows, such as Mysterious Cities of Gold, and Ulysses 31 as Japanese Anime (Though noted a coproduction). Another thing I want to make perfectly clear, is some versions brought over to the Western markets, are not dutched based dubs. The Spanish dub, in particular (unsure as to which one) has the japanese episode titles in the beginning, as well as the Next Time segments, which the titles are only available on the Japanese release, and versions based off this edition.

Another thing to be in particular, is that TV-Tokyo was directly involved in the anime's production. Typically, I'd rule it off as being added as an extra credit for airing, but they are listed in the Dutch Credits (opening and ending, if I recall correctly), which aired a couple months before the Japanese airing of the series (which, again, anime coproductions have aired in other countries before it's domestic markets. Look at Transformers Armada for example. As well as an oddball example of Sonic X, which isn't a coproduction of any sort).

So, does anyone in particular have any disagreements of getting this listed as an "Anime"? Mendinso 04:02, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * A while ago, I left a message here saying I didn't think we should consider this "anime", but I was wrong. The animation of this show was done in Japan, after all. The story and music were made by a Dutch guy and the characters were designed by a German illustrator. The rest is Japanese, as you say. So that pretty much does define it as anime. —msikma (user, talk) 22:13, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Pikkie
Pikkie is now referred to as a she, yet in episodes 31 and 32 (The oilrig/Atlantis episodes) he can cleary be seen having stubles on his face, a starting beard. Also, in the Dutch version, he is considered a male character, and the adult version has a clear male voice.
 * German users are likely to revert this because Pikkie is female in the german dub. Maybe the article should point that out... -- Imladros (talk) 07:15, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Requested move
This article has been renamed from Alfred J. Kwak (TV series) to Alfred J. Kwak as the result of a move request. - moved as no requirement for dab. Keith D (talk) 14:49, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Alfred J. Kwak (TV series) → Alfred J. Kwak — Removing parenthesis (which adds unnecessary precision and was added in a previous unilateral move) per Naming conventions (precision) but maintaining the previous change to a middle initial (J.) in the title (as that is the name used for the series itself in the logo and on DVDs, and it has slightly more Google hits than the character's full name). Title is currently unambiguous as there are no articles on the books or comics. NB: there is no reason the entire franchise cannot be dealt with in one article (which indeed seems to be what the article is trying to do). —Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 20:42, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

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 * Support as nominator. &mdash;Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 20:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - I originally moved this to "Alfred J. Kwak (TV series)" because I believed someone else was going to make articles about the other versions of the story. (The comic strip and and theater shows, for example.) It turns out that this didn't happen, so there's no need for an overly specific name. —msikma (user, talk) 22:08, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:

Henk
Who is the voice actor of Henk? I heard he was a communist singer. Mallerd (talk) 19:21, 5 October 2009 (UTC) Ik ben vandaag zo vrolijk :D
 * His name is Frits Lambrechts. 91.64.228.97 (talk) 21:59, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

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