Talk:Alfred P. Sloan Jr. Prize

Notability
Where is the "Notability"-warning beeing discussed? The award was one of the most outstanding awards for cancer research, it came with a prize money of 250 000 US Dollar, 15 out of 37 awardees later became Nobel laureates. If one doesn't see the notability of this scientific award, I can't help. --Drahreg01 (talk) 14:40, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Where are the news reports about this 'outstanding' award? If it is so important, they should be easy to find. Otherwise maybe it would be better if combined with another article, such as General Motors. Sionk (talk) 15:09, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Cancer (journal) found it three times worth to mention the winner. And so did other scientific journals.  --Drahreg01 (talk) 02:47, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * One could also type the words "alfred sloan prize cancer prestigious -wikipedia" in his favourite search engine. --Drahreg01 (talk) 03:16, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * It looks like in 1991, 1992, and 1993 Cancer (journal) covered specifically the Alfred P. Sloan, Jr. Prize. (as shown in the first query results)


 * Now -- for the second query -- some of those results are coverage of the other two prizes: the Charles S. Mott Prize and the Charles F. Kettering Prize. (specifically, results 2, and 3). Number 4 is the same result as one from the first query (lecture related to the Sloan Prize awarded in 1993  about the formation of the embryonic axes in Drosophila).


 * Number 5 looks like it is about a workshop on early breast cancer detection. The other ones (1, 6, and 7) looks like they are coverage of the collection of three prizes.


 * So if one does a Google search then plenty of hits come up -- and althougth some are for other Sloan Foundation prizes with the name Sloan (not related to cancer research) there are results from:Rockefeller University, UC Berkeley, UC San Francisco,UCLA,Ohio State University, etc. Some of those links are not about the awarding of the prize but mention that the person happened to win it during their career.


 * One thing about that -- according to the most recent edit of the article -- just made by User:Birtcake -- the prize was not awarded by the Sloan Foundation  but by the General Motors Cancer Research Foundation.  Jjjjjjjjjj (talk) 21:31, 23 August 2012 (UTC)


 * If it was eventually or at some point decided that each individual prize does not meet WP:NOTABILITY another option would be to consolidate all three prizes into one article (General Motors Cancer Research Awards).


 * If this were done then after making the new article one could:


 * Change each of the old pages (Charles S. Mott Prize, Kettering Prize, Alfred P. Sloan, Jr. Prize) to a redirect to a section.
 * Change the German Wikipedia so that it is the same. It is not recommended to have an  interlanguage link to and from a section


 * Jjjjjjjjjj (talk) 02:50, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I like the idea of combining the three awards, because they are all very clearly related as a trio of awards from GM's charitable foundation. A further solution might be to create a list article (because these seem to have slightly less onerous notability requirements). Maybe List of winners of the General Motors Cancer Research Foundation awards.
 * As someone who has no expertise or scientific qualification, I can only go on the sources provided to judge whether these awards are truly well known. I have a suspicion these corporate charitable foundations are created as much to make the coroporation look good, as to be of benefit to academic advancement! Sionk (talk) 22:09, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm...one question is whether there is any specific guideline for the notability of academic awards -- or for awards in general for that matter.

I can report some general evidence here in my rather long comment.

I think the gist here is that although there are awards of lesser amounts of money in Wikipedia the amount of the award is not the only measure of notability.

I got a degree in computer science and I knew about the Turing Award and the Grace Murray Hopper Award -- however there are plenty more awards that have articles about them in Wikipedia:

I checked out:

Association_for_Computing_Machinery

So 11 of those out of 18 listed there are blue linked but some of those are compressed into other articles:


 * A. M. Turing Award -- separate article
 * ACM – Infosys Foundation Award in the Computing Sciences
 * Distinguished Service Award -- no article at all about that -- just a generic article.
 * Doctoral Dissertation Award
 * Eckert–Mauchly Award -- separate article ($5,000 prize)
 * Gordon Bell Prize -- separate article
 * Grace Murray Hopper Award -- separate article
 * Paris Kanellakis Theory and Practice Award -- separate article ($5,000 prize)
 * Karl V. Karlstrom Outstanding Educator Award
 * ACM – IEEE CS Ken Kennedy Award -- separate article ($5,000 prize)
 * Eugene L. Lawler Award -- links to the Eugene L. Lawler article
 * Outstanding Contribution to ACM Award
 * Allen Newell Award -- links to a section in the Allen Newell article ($10,000 prize)
 * ACM Presidential Award
 * SIAM/ACM Prize in Computational Science and Engineering -- links to the SIAM page
 * Software System Award
 * ACM Programming Systems and Languages Paper Award
 * ACM–W Athena Lecturer Award -- separate article

And then 7 of them are red linked.

Let's take a look at Literary awards....

So there I see blue linked:


 * Nobel Prize in Literature
 * Man Booker Prize
 * Pulitzer Prize
 * Whitbread Awards
 * Neustadt International Prize for Literature
 * Hugo Awards

I've heard of three out of six of those.

One could also take a note of how much some of those ACM prizes are.

I just happened to notice a few when I was checking them:


 * Eckert–Mauchly Award -- $5,000
 * Gordon Bell Prize -- not sure -- given by Gordon Bell.
 * Grace Murray Hopper Award -- not sure.
 * Paris Kanellakis Award -- $5,000
 * Ken Kennedy Award -- $5,000
 * Allen Newell -- $10,000

And then for some of the literary awards:


 * Nobel Prize in Literature -- about $1,100,000
 * Man Booker Prize -- £21,000
 * Hugo Award -- not sure.
 * Pulitzer Prize -- $10,000
 * Whitbread Awards -- category winner £5,000 -- book of the year -- £25,000
 * Neustadt International Prize for Literature -- $50,000

I do think it's interesting that -- my general sense is that the Pulitzer Prize is more well known -- however -- the Neustadt International Prize for Literature is actually of a larger amount.

So -- for the number of inbound links for the Neustadt International Prize for Literature one is getting about 80.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Neustadt_International_Prize_for_Literature&limit=500

And the number of languages there is 9.

However -- for the Pulitzer -- one is getting much more languages -- I'm getting a count of 64 there.

And in terms of links:

about 5,000 or so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Pulitzer_Prize&limit=500

One could also just note that the related cancer research awards: Kettering Prize, Charles S. Mott Prize

And also the film prize:

Alfred P. Sloan Prize

Are in Wikipedia.

So -- I've read -- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS -- maybe some of these awards shouldn't be in Wikipedia???

However -- the fact that some of these articles do exist is consistent with the idea that there is a sort of implicit consensus that academic awards (or literary awards, or other awards) are meeting the general WP:NOTABILITY guideline.

So I guess one other comment that I would make is about the people who are likely to actually read the article -- or utilize it -- I would think those people would probably be biologists, cell biologists, molecular biologists, etc. -- undergrads, graduates, faculty, etc. -- so those people might be interested in who won the award at different years -- and they might be interested in for what discovery they won the award -- I think that's all available on an archive of a part of the General Motors website -- however -- they may not be seeking information about General Motors.

I think it might look weird to have a list like this in the General Motors article or in the Alfred P. Sloan, Jr. article or in the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation article.

Jjjjjjjjjj (talk) 21:17, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

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