Talk:Alhambra High School (Alhambra, California)

2004 Deletion
This article was listed on votes for deletion; see Votes for deletion/Alhambra High School. &#8212;No-One Jones (m) 09:45, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * There are some members of the Wikipedia community who would like to see all secondary institutions of learning eliminated. The criteria for "notable" high schools have never been clearly defined. For instance, Columbine High School in Colorado is notorious for its massacre in 1999. Does that make it "notable?" Or vice versa? There are very few well really well known high schools in the USA. A highly notable execption is Beverly Hills High School which has many famous graduates in the various arts. I don't see how we can pick and choose fairly. Either this category should ideally be all inclusive or eliminated with the exception of the VERY famous few high schools such as Beverly Hills.T.E. Goodwin 01:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I thought wikipedia had a policy that all High Schools are notable (but that middle and elementry schools are not necessarily notable). I think uniformity is a good thing. Not all cities are that notable either. --MarsRover 06:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Have you posted your opinion on talk pages of other high schools? Lets keep things consistent: flag all articles about high schools for deletion, or don't flag any please. If you have a problem with WikiProject Schools and its inclusion of high schools, then bring it up in that talk page, not this one. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.234.191.23 (talk) 23:40, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Edits
So I have spent a bit of time trying to clean up this page, I am not a fan of the embedded list of clubs but I'm not sure if it's worth worrying about. However, I don't think it's appropriate to be listing full names of underage students as presidents of clubs, etc. so future editors (most certainly comprised of current AHS students), please keep in mind wikipedia's content criteria: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_in_brief Thanks. April.s (talk) 01:46, 26 November 2009 (UTC) There is no way the enrollment is over 9000. That is waaay too high. CAn't find the info. on the school website, so I guess I'll call to make the change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.182.180.240 (talk) 11:32, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Notable alumni
I removed the following alumni. They are notable (have Wikipedia articles), but none of them have a citation to prove they attended Alhambra High School. The section has been flagged for 26 months.


 * H. George Anderson, Presiding Bishop, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
 * Kevin Cheng, Chinese Actor
 * Dean Cundey, Award-winning Director of Photography
 * Clive Cussler, novelist
 * Stan Freberg, voice actor
 * Hardie Gramatky, watercolorist
 * James Jannard, businessman
 * Aaron Krach, novelist, artist, magazine editor
 * Dorothy Howell Rodham, homemaker and mother of Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton
 * Lewis Sargentich, legal scholar at Harvard Law School
 * Cheryl Tiegs, model
 * Mickey Thompson, racecar driver
 * Jim Tunney, American football official, author, motivational speaker
 * Dick Wallen, UCLA football All-American, recipient of the 1957 W.J. Voit Memorial Trophy
 * Verne Winchell, businessman
 * Mike Woo, politician
 * Jonathan Ke Quan, Vietnamese-American actor
 * Tex Schramm, former manager of the Dallas Cowboys (NFL)
 * Sam Hanks, Alumnus 1933, winner of the 1957 Indianapolis 500 and inducted into the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Hall of Fame in 1981.
 * Lisa Yee, Children's Author and winner of the Sid Fleischman Humor Award
 * Derek Hartley, Co-host of the Derek and Romaine Show on Sirius XM Satellite Radio.
 * Martin Vasquez, former soccer player and coach
 * Jenny Oropeza, 1975, politician California State Senate, California State Assembly
 * Grant Gershon, Music director, Los Angeles Master Chorale

Thanks, tedder (talk) 05:13, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

I see a number of problems with your clean-up. First, many of the Wikipedia entries note that these people attended Alhambra High. Some give citations. Others do not. Are you planning to clean up all those entries as well? Second, some of these may not have easily found citations available online. For example, the school itself touts a number of these former students in its halls an publications and elsewhere. If I remember correctly, the auto shop is named after Mickey Thompson. The public library has plaques and portraits of a number of them including Tex Schramm, Mickey Thompson, and others, stating among other things that they went to Alhambra High. Also, the list is largely repeated on the list of notable residents of the City of Alhambra.

Cleaning up is one thing but using a nuclear option is another. You could have easily looked at the profiles of these folks and the citations given for their background. I am restoring the list. Validating citations on the profiles is more valuable than purging the full list.

Geodanny (talk) 07:35, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


 * You are both right, in different ways. Geodanny is correct that many of these entries may have documentation in their biographies. OTOH, a picture in a school hallway isn't the kind of verifiable published source that Wikipedia expects. Tedder is correct that unsourced information shouldn't be left indefinitely, especially when it's been tagged for years and concerns living people. OTOH, these aren't contentious assertions. Let's remember that the information hasn't been deleted, just moved pending verification. If this step hadn't been taken then nothing would be done for another two years, if then. So let's try to find those sources and move back entries as citations become available.   Will Beback    talk    07:42, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


 * For example, Geodanny, you recently added Martin Vasquez to the list. Can you find a source for that entry?   Will Beback    talk    07:52, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


 * All it took was one search to find a city-provided list of famous residents, including those who graduated from Alhambra High: http://www.cityofalhambra.org/community/famousresidents.html
 * I agree with you Will. Action needs to be taken. I just disagree with the process, and perhaps the policy. Requiring/validating citations on the profiles seems a higher priority than this list. Martin Vasquez is a good example. His profile says he attended Alhambra High. He was coach of a local MLS soccer team, but was recently fired. Citations provided for his profile note his connection to the school, but not in the paragraph about his attending the school. See: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/12/martin-vasquez-to-be-named-chivas-usas-next-coach.html I just modified Lisa Yee's entry. The citation provided for the first sentence applies to the full bio paragraph. Geodanny (talk) 08:00, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


 * That's great. Progress!
 * Personally, I often see folks adding "citation needed" tags to article on my watchlist but I usually don't do anything about it until the material is removed. Then I spring into action and hunt down the sources. Human nature.    Will Beback    talk    08:07, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

(moving left). Geodanny, please read WP:BURDEN, part of one of Wikipedia's 5 pillars, which states "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material." Yes, I should find sources. On the other hand, as I said, the section was flagged for over two years. I placed them here in good faith. You'll note I also removed a paragraph about the fake swimming pool. Anyhow, please cite the rest of the list. It doesn't need a terribly strong source, but every entry needs their attendance at Alhambra HS sourced. tedder (talk) 14:57, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * All cited. All ya have to do is ask me Tedder.  My Virgo self will organize and cite, but only for you! lol
 *  — DocOfSoc • Talk  •  03:08, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Doc! tedder (talk) 03:16, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You are quite welcome! Namaste... — DocOfSoc • Talk  •  12:05, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Alhambra High School (Alhambra) versus Alhambra High School (Martinez)
Please take care to identify that a fact pertains to Alhambra High School in Alhambra, California. There are two Alhambra High Schools in California. The other Alhambra High is named after and is located in the Alhambra Valley in the San Francisco Bay Area, in the  City of Martinez.

There has been some confusion between the two high schools, particularly with regard to notable alumni. For example, Jeff and Stan Van Gundy went to Alhambra High (Martinez) but almost every article I could find only said Alhambra High without referencing the city. Only after digging further did I find mentions that they grew up near San Francisco or in Central or Northern California. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geodanny (talk • contribs) 03:07, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

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