Talk:Ali al-Rida/Archive 1

Biography assessment rating comment
The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- KGV (Talk) 08:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Arabic script
I can't seem to edit the script on this page to get it to format it properly. If you look carefully, it says Arabic 1 and then the Arabic script, followed by January, where the one is supposed to follow the arabic script and precede the month.Pepsidrinka 04:09, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Quotations
The quotes seem to use very odd, often unclear, English. Since it is obvious the speakers were not speaking English, were they, in truth, using poor grammar and odd diction or is this a problem with the translation? It seems to me that it is the latter, but, of course, I have no way of knowing.

Neutrality,Factuality and Balance of opinions
I believe that the portion on the 'Features of the mortality of al-Rida'. I believe that it should be clearly stated that only Shi'a consider Imams as infallible. By only presenting the Shi'a view on this topic and blatantly ignoring the Sunni view, I feel that the article is highly biased and neutrally imbalanced. As per such, I have placed tags on the portion. I personally would recommend a deletion followed by a more factual re-write. Thank you. --Paradoxicalengineer 05:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, It's a not NPOV and it's completely biased. It Must be fixed ASAP by someone who has knowledge on the topic, who is neutral and preferably, not religious. --Arad (talk) 17:48, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe the last paragraph in the section Death does not contain any any verifiable content at all. It is merely a biased opinion and does not cite any references either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.171.252.101 (talk) 14:59, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * apparently, some here believe that it is only ibn teymiah who should be praised without subjecting him to the least of criticism although there is much more of what is worthy of criticism in ibn teymiah than in Imam Reza. ibn teymia was imprisoned by the legitimate Sunni authorities of his day ( and he died in prison ) for his views which stated that God has a material body... his followers today ( ibn baz and others ) insist that , in accordance with a certain hadith, God places his leg in hell. They interpret the verse which says " and the Hand of God is above thier hands " to be proof of God's possession of a material hand ... and those who interpret it to be a metaphor for strength, or control, are denounced as heretics of the jehmi, or asha'ari sects ( none of the two are Shia ) ... the current followers of ibn teymia even insist that God is sitting up in the sky.


 * Ask any of their shiekhs about this, and they will tell you that God has hands and legs that are worthy of his Glory.


 * if that is the case, then tell us, is His Glory limited ? God's Glory is infinite, for He would be limited if His Glory were to be limited, and God is limitless.


 * so, for a leg and hands to be worthy of His (infinite) Glory, the worthiness of these hands and legs must be infinite too. if the worthiness of the hands and legs was infinite, doesnt that mean that the hands and legs have became Gods in themselves ?  if they are limited in any way, then they cant be worthy of God's infinite glory ... so they have to be unlimited, in which case, they become Gods themselves.


 * please find yourselves a proper God first, and forsake ibn teymia who was imprisoned by the Sunni authorities ( and not the Shia ), then come along and ask for neutrality. understood ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.140.183.142 (talk) 19:26, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


 * concerning the question of whether or not the Sunnis consider him infallible, there is a general consensus that the Imam has not been recorded to have committed any wrong. If such records exist, I challenge anyone who reads this to bring them up. Quite on the contrary, all of the Moslem sects agree upon the unparalleled supremacy of his moral character, which far exceeds that of certain individuals like yezid, who is actually defended by some contemporary scholars (in spite of vehement words of utmost contempt and criticism that the original Sunni scholars like Suyuti, fired at yezid) who think that heaven and hell are the property of some of the most perverted individuals ever to have walked on the face of this earth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.140.183.142 (talk) 19:11, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Ridha or Reza or Rida ???
Ridha??? Imam Reza is his name and that he is called. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ditc (talk • contribs) 07:29, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * We use the Arabic titles, not the Persianized ones. For example, this calls him Imam al-Rida as well. -- ♥ pashtun ismailiyya  08:03, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Importance of Imam Reza
A very respected scholar of Shia religion recently noted that, imam reza is not one of the holiest and perhaps emphasised for misled interests. He noted that a man such as khoemini, who inspired a revolution, who was highly knowledgable about the faith, never once visited mashad imam reza's shrine.just my two cents about this, i think the site has historical, religious significance but it is perhaps exaggerated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.104.39 (talk) 04:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I think you need to clear your fundamentals. If you are a Muslim, a Shia & a Athna-Ashari then you may have heard hadeeth "Aw'wal'na Muhammads.a.w.a. ... Kulllana Muhammads.a.w.a.". Reason of imphasis on Imam Musa al-Rezaa.s. is due to the fact that he is the only Imam who is buried in a land where Shia have been in majority and power for very long so its easily ascessible for ziyarat and envoironment is favourable and friendly. You can't even think of reciting a Fateha at tomb of Prophets.a.w.a. save Aa'im'maa.s. in Saudi Arabia and in Iraq everybody is aware of conditions since decades. Regarding Aqa'e Khumaini(this fact is beyond my drop of knowledge) I'll say that Imam Hasan Askaria.s. never went for Hajj in physical form and going or avoiding of some Ulema to a place does not change its importance. Imam Musa al-Rezaa.s. importance is same as other Imams from Imam Alia.s.  to Imam Mahdia.s. (they all are one and same in virtues and deeds).
 * I hope that you will not be satisfied by my reply/explanation, you are welcome to my talk page for further discussions(if willing).
 * --Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider Rizvi (talk) 06:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Resolving NPOV
Reviewed the comments earlier posted about NPOV. I found them to be related to two sections namely "Death" and "...Morality...". Had to change the subject of the latter to be more neutral. Also, removed terms and sentences that were either not-provable or not neutral. If you still find the article agains NPOV, please discuss it here by providing details. Feel free to send me a message through the talk page.Kazemita1 (talk) 22:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Move Request

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 18:33, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Ali Al-Ridha → Ali al-Ridha – The "Al" should not be capitalised as per the names of the other Shia Imams (see: Template:Shia Imams). Shiite (talk) 15:32, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Support – al- is an article. As the title should follow sentence-case, it should be in lower case. --Article editor (talk) 17:27, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Date of birth and death?
What's this person's date of birth and death? In the article it states something different than in the block on the right. And on the page for July 25, he is also listed. But July 25 is never even mentioned in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DNME666 (talk • contribs) 06:00, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

98 ALINAQVI121472 (talk) 15:41, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Reliable sources should be added
@Salman mahdi, sa.vakilian The article lacks reliable references. Please help with finding suitable secondary sources to enhance the quality. Consequently, we may nominate it at GA list if it meets the criteria. Mhhossein (talk) 06:57, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Salman mahdi, sa.vakilian,Mhhossein Hello. I am going to help improve this article a little bit. Hadi.anani (talk) 06:13, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Hadi.anani As you know, I inserted some reliable references some months ago and altered the article very much. Then you started your job. That you are going to edit it further is a good news. Please consider clarifying your possible major changes in the talk page. Mhhossein (talk) 07:07, 17 December 2014 (UTC)


 * These are some of my suggestions:


 * 1) Modern work on Imam by Madelung:
 * 2) Shia biography about Imam's life:
 * 3) Shia biography (full view):
 * 4) About Mashhad:
 * 5) About Ali al-Ridha in modern culture and art  Seyyed(t-c) 03:12, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Infobox Pic
What's your motivation for changing the picture of infobox? Mhhossein (talk) 06:42, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Not any special reason. I glued it like picture here. Alborzagros (talk) 06:52, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Alborzagros: I think the former pic was encyclopedic while the current one is not. Mhhossein (talk) 07:20, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The former one is not removed. I replaced it somewhere else in article.Alborzagros (talk) 07:34, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Alborzagros: However, The current one is not encyclopedic, IMO. Mhhossein (talk) 10:43, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Where?
, : I've read the note about "Iran" meaning the same as "Persia", but I'm not sure why the infobox must call Iran "Iran, Islamic Republic of". Surely this too means the same as "Persia"?  Quasar G  t - c 23:24, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * That was my point. Iran on its own means the same as Persia, so we should differentiate by including the "Islamic Republic of".Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 08:40, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * - what I mean is, surely if Persia = Iran and Iran = Islamic Republic of Iran, then by logic Persia = Islamic Republic of Iran. And if "Iran" and "Persia" refer to the same swathe of land, then there's no need to disambiguate anyway.  Quasar G  t - c 11:02, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I think the current wording, "Now Iran, Islamic Republic of," is more accurate. -- M h hossein   talk 14:30, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * – Why? What's wrong with simply "Iran", and, failing that, what's wrong with "Islamic Republic of Iran"?  Quasar G  t - c 14:51, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not objecting any of them. -- M h hossein   talk 14:58, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Oh, ok. Do you mind if I change it to "Iran" then?  Quasar G  t - c 15:21, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I would expected Emir of Wikipedia's opinion, too. -- M h hossein   talk 17:20, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I will change it to Iran, but keep the now bit to clarify that it is a different entity. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:46, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

revered mother of imam
because of white complexion of the revered seventh Imam ; her mother could not be a berber; there where at the same time slaving daughters in the british isles and carrying them to maghreb; there fore she could be either a Brits or Spanish; the same for the mother of revered eigth Imam; that was also a slave from Maghreb ; that there was mentioned a talk from christian woman saying something about the future of mother of imam at time there were in baghdad; this could be a clue that she was also Brits.But these are just pure speculation;Not based on thehistory. Amir Arab — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.157.144.74 (talk) 12:30, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

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