Talk:Alice Roosevelt Longworth

Princess Alice Name
Question. Why was her nickname Princess Alice?

Answer. When Alice she was asked to go to London to attend King Edward VII's coronation, a British newspaper advised that Alice be treated as "the oldest daughter of the Emperor, " (her father). When a local Washington DC magazine began to make mention of Alice as "the Crown Prin - beg pardon - daughter of the President," TR was so annoyed at these references to anti-republican imperial sentiments that he cancelled her trip. Also, Alice was, by nature vain, arrogant and the DC establishment knew it. See photos in the article. SimonATL 20:35, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Alice did not suspend her imitations of Eleanor after FDR's election. In fact, they increased because she still was bitter after Eleanor's campaign against her brother Theodore. The imitations continued even in Eleanor's face and much to her embarrassment. At dinner parties, Alice was asked by Eleanor herself to perform the imitation, Alice was always glad to oblige. Though Eleanor would laugh, it was clear that she was really hurt by these imitations. The two made up their lost relationship and drew closer in their later years as they had once been as girls and young women. In 1960, Alice publicly announced that she would "take off" of Nellie Taft and Eleanor. Centers 17:06, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Picture wrong
FYI: The dog in her arms is most definitely NOT a Pekingese.

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The description states the dog is Leo and that ARL was also given a second dog, a pekingese called Manchu, by the Chinese Dowager Cixi. I believe Leo is a Maltese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RM MARTIN (talk • contribs) 00:19, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

The dog in that picture is no more a Maltese than it is a Pekingese. It is a long-haired Chihuahua. Here is a similar dog: http://ingrus.net/chihuahua/en/details.php?id=7587 "Leo" may have been a Maltese but if that is the case then the dog in that photo cannot be "Leo".109.255.208.135 (talk) 01:00, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Footnote help needed
I've begun the process. Note the format of the first footnote. All you have to do is add them in the same format and they'll "magically appear in the footnote section at the bottom of the article. SimonATL 03:28, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Occult
I see no evidence that Alice as a practitioner of the occult. The article makes an un-sourced reference to a voodoo doll, but even if true, this doesn't make Alice a practitioner. Her dislike for the Tafts was well known, true or not, this was just one more way for Alice to express her dislike. Séances, Ouija boards, and the like were popular parlor entertainments during this time period, and involvement in such does not mean the participant was a believer – and certainly not at the level of other individuals tagged with this category.


 * The evidence thus provided to demonstrate Alice's alleged occult practices is self-referencing. That is, the website cited   was adapted from an earlier version of the Wikipedia article.  Self-referencing sources don't actually count as sources.  Rklawton 19:03, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not opposed to adding the occultist category per se. I'm just opposed to adding it without any supporting evidence. Rklawton 19:15, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Several biographers actually do mention Alice burying a voodoo doll with the proverbial pin stuck thru it in the grounds of the White House to "jinx" the incoming Taft Administration. I'll provide the source references ASAP. That would amount to semi-occult activity. SimonATL 23:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

New Biography on Alice to Be Published
An upcoming book by Stacy A. Cordery will provide more details the alleged Senator Borah connection to Alice drawing on Alice's unpublished diary for the first time. It will shed more light on this and other events in the twilight years. SimonATL 23:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

RE: ALICE ROOSEVELT
Dear Readers-

I heard that the new book on her is very interesting. That is why many called her "The Other Mount Rushmore!"

Robert Jones —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.142.126.96 (talk) 17:53, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * That's the "other Washington Monument," actually.


 * It's excellent and I've met the author and have a signed copy that I got from yhr author, Dr. Corderey at Sagamore Hill last fall at an annual meeting of the SimonATL (talk) 03:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Contradiction and sources
Article could use with some additional citations and clarification. I tagged it as contradictory, reasoning follows.

The section on "Political connections" states, ...and even supported John F. Kennedy. This statement contradicts a statement in the next section on "Later life" which states, ''. . . she again supported her friend Richard Nixon, just as she did in his 1960 campaign against JFK''. --IvoShandor (talk) 07:41, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * My own searched found that she did indeed support both presidents, JFK and Nixon though my sources are not... concrete enough to use. I'm sure it's a simple re-write to expand on how and why she supported both these individuals. Kjnelan (talk) 18:33, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I have found some citations for the the later in life sections and her quotes. It really seems that she had a complicated realtionship with politics that became centered more on the personality than on party affiliation. (RM MARTIN (talk) 20:43, 7 August 2010 (UTC))
 * Unless there's some objection, taking a look at the article now, I can find no justification for the contradictory statement tag; it seems fairly well established that she supported candidates from the left and right throughout her lifetime. Chromancer (talk) 21:24, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Updates and Edits
I have been working on the lact of citations in the whole of the article. My next area of research is section on Political Connections. Please review my work. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. (RM MARTIN (talk) 04:39, 9 August 2010 (UTC))

I cannot find a citable reference for this quote "On another occasion, asked by a Ku Klux Klansman in full regalia to take his word for something, she refused, saying "I never trust a man under sheets."

Has anyone been able to find a citation?RM MARTIN (talk) 00:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Konrad Adenauer Foundation
Mrs Longworth's former home at 2009 Massachussetts Ave in the Dupont Circle, Washington DC, is today the American seat of the German Konrad Adenauer Foundation. The Washington Legal Foundation is next door, occupying 2005 and 2007, Mass. Ave.

208.87.248.162 (talk) 22:51, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The Konrad Adenauer Foundation website says the American offices are located at 2005 Massachusetts Avenue.Flyte35 (talk) 00:00, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Her name in the narrative
I find it confusing that Alice Roosevelt is called "Longworth" in the narrative before she actually acquired that name from her husband in 1905. She may not have been called Alice in the Roosevelt household, but she was certainly not called Longworth as a child. In the PBS documentary, The Roosevelts, she is called Alice. I think that should be the policy here. HowardMorland (talk) 03:34, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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Was Her Marriage "shaky?
Yes, she had a daughter from Borah, but Nicholas also had affairs. H. L. Mencken knew them both and from the way he talks about them (in "Thirty-five Years of Newspaper Work", pp. 169-170), a picture emerges of a genuinely affectionate, if unusual, relationship.

It would be good to see a quote and a reference from someone who portrays them otherwise. Certainly the fact that they had a bit of what would later be called an "open marriage" doesn't justify such an inference, though the use of the term "shaky" in the same sentence as the mention of her daughter's father appears to imply that it does. I don't think they kept their independent lives secret from each other, but I'd be happy to be made aware of information to the contrary, or of anything else that directly implies "shakyness".

Yes, they were both "unconventional and controversial", but that sounds pretty good to me, and you know — birds of a feather....

Peter S. Shenkin (talk) 09:20, 25 January 2021 (UTC)