Talk:Alimentos La Giralda

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"a Venezuelan Company that imports, produces and distributors: Capers, Pickles, Olives and Canned Vegetables, among other foodstuffs". Ad, unencylopedic. Hope they're not behind the fighting thingymon vegetables. Ianb 00:29, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Doesn't read like an ad, but appears non-notable.  SWAdair | Talk  04:43, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * It's not really the kind of business that generates a lot of google hits. And Ianb forgot to put the VfD heading on it. Neutral, and don't bite the newbie. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 04:46, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * there now. I think there was a software error the first time I posted it. Ianb 07:56, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * I was the one that put it there. I honestly don't mind if it's deleted.  I am quite new to Wikipedia and have been entering articles on and off, about different subjects.  I put this because recently I met somebody that used to work there and one day, for no reason, I decided to make an article about it.  Sometimes, I am entering articles to see if they "develop further".  And regarding the Google Hits, most companies outside industrialized nationes don't seem to generate too many google hits.  As a curiosity...How many google hits would make something a good article?  AAAAA |  Talk 11:46, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * I hate to do this, but...it depends. For something like this (a company w/o a huge internet presence, from a not-completely-industrialized country), I would say pretty low. The best thing to do is to hang out on Votes for deletion, which should help you reach your own conclusion about what stays and what goes. Hope to see you around, and keep contributing. Neutral on this article, btw. [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 17:21, 2004 Jul 24 (UTC)
 * Hi AAAAA. I put the deletion notice on. It's nothing personal - it's just that the article as I saw it wasn't very "encylopedic", only a very basic statement of fact. It didn't tell me how significant Alimentos La Giralda is : is it someone's uncle's business being run out of a shed in Caracas, or is it a large business which has, say, a major role in Venezuelan trade? I see a lot of new articles like this which don't convince me of their significance, and often remain as unloved "substubs" for a long time, making Wikipedia into an elephant's graveyard for contextless information. I'd rather see them deleted; quite often the listing for deletion can save an article, as someone will provide the salient facts; if not, and the subject is important enough, it will be recreated sometime. Regarding google hits: I am sceptical about their worth as a measure of notability. This is how the text of the article would ideally be; then I would know roughly what kind of company it is, and be happy for it to hang around even as a stub:
 *  Alimentos La Giralda is a Venezuelan trading company that imports, produces and distributes foodstuffs such as capers, pickles, olives and canned vegetables. It was founded in 19xx. As of 2003 it had a market share of xx%. It is part of the XXX Group / It also owns a number of subsidiaries such as .... Ianb 18:35, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Again, I am neutral. But I did enter a tiny extra bit of information and I believe the company is the leader (in Venezuela) in what it does AAAAA |  Talk --AAAAA 06:10, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep stub. If it can not be expanded, I would also be comfortable merging the content into Fierro Group and redirecting. Rossami 22:42, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Mm, yes. Shunt the content into Fierro (which can itself use some substantial rewriting), and redirect. DS 14:46, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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